burnley-si:
sounds like the lad doesnt like early starts, and if thats the case whats wrong with him going on a sunday unpaid IF IT SUITS HIM, whats the problem its not hurting anyone is it?
Can see your point there but if he donāt like early starts there might be another driver at his firm that does,but he wonāt get them because this lad runs Sunday for free.
So next time there is an early start this lad will get it because it costs nothing.
Jeeeez Iām genuinely gobsmacked 
So it IS JUST ME then
I apologise profusely to you all, I did not understand 
I have finally realised I have been doing this job for bloody years all wrong!!
I feel it is like a biblical revelation, I have seen the light, Iām born again. 
OK, from now on I am no longer going to look at my wages with disgust even if they are lower than 10 yrs ago. Iām gonna ring my governr right now and thank him for my job as Iām so lucky to be employed, and tell him I will be up out of my bed at 0030 (ignoring how quite unreasonable that may be when me or another driver could do a Sunday runner) to get away early so I can be first in the queue tomorrow. But not to bother paying me until I get there, as hey, I donāt mind losing my potential Sunday Ā£50 or so, and my Ā£20 night out,(That he sure as hell will have put on the job rate 
) I will say you keep it bud, you deserve it.
I wonāt take the wife on hols this year, no, sod it., I fancy a rack of spot lamps on the bossās motorās roof this year, so where is that grand I saved.
So Iād just like to say Thanks you lads for pointing out the error of my ways, no longer will I look at another driver that is up the govnrās harriss, and working for ā ā ā ā all and think āā ā ā ā me , no wonder the wages are ā ā ā ā and we canāt get a raiseā I will think āAh well heās a good lad. I donāt know his circumstances, but ā¦it suits himā
Im now officially a born again liberal minded do gooder trucker, I feel cleansed and indebted to you all 
Love you x
robroy:
āā¦ I apologise profusely to you all ā¦ā
No need here, mate
As a āā ā ā ā on a lorry seat wheel-monkeyā I see us grass-root bods having been divided to be ruled over by profit-centric nastiness - for which honest humans among us need not apologise
Have a brew & cheers 
robroy:
Jeeeez Iām genuinely gobsmacked
Nope not just you, his biggest mistake was telling someone, first thing I learnt was when chatting to other drivers to keep shtumm if you have done something that may be frowned upon by your colleaguesā¦
Although I did used to tell the odd porky to see if it got back to the gaffers then I would know which ones where trustworthyish and which ones would squeal.
robroy:
Jeeeez Iām genuinely gobsmacked
Nope - not just you! I agree with everything you said.
Thereās a company near me - great looking trucks, all lights, light-bars, Eminox stacks and all the usual bling. Then you learn the drivers are paying for all this out of their own pockets! Sure, the boss pays initially, and then takes repayment a little each week from the driverās wage packet - most likely with interest too! 
Examples like that, coupled with the clown referenced in this thread who seems happy to work for ā ā ā ā all - is it any wonder this industryās ā ā ā ā ā ā !? 
As usual RobRoys put it spot on in his own unique way.
WTF is wrong with people, its not a hobby its a bloody job for crying out loud and some idiots canāt ruin it quickly enough.
NURSE NURSE whereās me medication, and put a pint of brandy in me tea thereās a girl, iām struggling to comprehend the new thinking and oblivion is increasingly inviting.
I can understand everyones point of view, ( especially Rob Roy ) and no we dont want to work for nothing, but on saying that i think the majority have all run the job to suit ourselves at one time or another, so the guy has to tip at 0600, its a 3 hour journey, so he chose to not ruin his Sunday night, by having to go to bed after dinner, and get up around 01.30 or some sill hour and in doing so gets a good nights sleep, is on time and the jobs done, its something i have done in the past, but i wouldnt do it on a regular basis, running the job to suit yourself is great if the boss allows it as its a win win situation, but it all depends on the workload throughout the rest of the week, so if its the regular work, then fair enough but all he has given is 3hrs drive time + a night out.
I donāt see how itās any advantage to the boss. The load is still only delivered at 6am, they way some are talking you would think he was being tipped the night before and away off somewhere else the following morning.
has chosen the best option for him
SPOT ON 100%, hes managing his time and his hours to make his job easier for himshelf
if one of my lads wanted to do this off his own back fine by me, but i would pay him from 230am on the monday which would have been his normal start time
one lad that works for me lives in the truck all week monday to friday, even when hes back at the yard, but i dont pay night out money when hes back in the yard, because he can go home if he likes, but he has a 30m round trip, so it suits him to sleep in the truck unpaid, fine by me its HIS choice, and makes his life easier its call EACH TO THERE OWN
truckyboy:
all he has given is 3hrs drive time + a night out.
why didnāt he go late on Monday morning then, this is a two way street and I am sure his gaffer would have paid him an extra 3 hrs wage and a extra night out for being late on Monday.
idiots 
burnley-si:
one lad that works for me lives in the truck all week ā¦ he has a 30m round trip, so it suits him to ā¦ā
āā¦Suits him toā¦ā avoid a pug-ugly ā ā ā ā ā ā ā indoors 
I think some of you have missed the point that I was trying to make .
Most of you refer to the lad running the job to suit himself/best option.
Iām all for running the job to suit myself, I have done just that myself regularly for years, but I draw the line where that would mean me forfeiting any part of my wage. My wage is the ONLY reason I work, it aint a hobby, it aint a pastime and I donāt do it for fun. And most of all I wonāt be treat unfairly and I wonāt be ā ā ā ā ed about or ripped off as this lad has clearly beenā¦ willingly or otherwise.
The fact that he has forfeited 4or5 hours pay at say Ā£8 an hour that he would have got for running Monday AM, is like him paying for the fuel for that run, if he is dumb enough to do that the Boss is clever enough to let him.
My idea for running the job to suit myself in said scenario would be either change runs with another driver, or point out to the boss that if I left Sun PM I could tip, load and be 4to5 hours forward on the next job than if I left at f/stupid oā clock Mon AM ā¦Result I get paid for a Sun run and night out, I get a lie in Mon AM, the guvnor increases his revenue as me saving him 4to5 hours has got him an extra load in that weekā¦everybodyās happy, nobody has lost out, fair play prevails in all directions.
If these guys want to be (unpaid) heroes to their boss I couldnāt give a ā ā ā ā , let the ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā crack on, but if them doing so could potentially affect me or my wage then I then do give a ā ā ā ā
ā¦Just to explain that last bit to the hard of thinking ā¦ it could be āDonāt give that Sunday runner to Roy, we will have to pay him, Give it to ā ā ā ā he will do it for ā ā ā ā allā
seth 70:
May be the fella doesnt want to be in the house if hes single and lives alone,when i was splitting with the ex wife id stop in the lorry in the yard if it wasnt needed for a run on nights ,i wasnt paid for it ,didnt want to be at home thats all,he must not wanted to be in the house if he did it,pair play to the lad i say ,dont judge a book by the cover,^^^^^ this
burnley-si:
one lad that works for me lives in the truck all week monday to friday, even when hes back at the yard, but i dont pay night out money when hes back in the yard, because he can go home if he likes, but he has a 30m round trip, so it suits him to sleep in the truck unpaid, fine by me its HIS choice, and makes his life easier its call EACH TO THERE OWN
That is irrelevant, an entirely different scenario, as he does NOT qualify for n/out money as he is back in the yard after completing his job for the day, not on a night out away from base ā¦where he would.
truckertang:
seth 70:
May be the fella doesnt want to be in the house if hes single and lives alone,when i was splitting with the ex wife id stop in the lorry in the yard if it wasnt needed for a run on nights ,i wasnt paid for it ,didnt want to be at home thats all,he must not wanted to be in the house if he did it,pair play to the lad i say ,dont judge a book by the cover,^^^^^ this
God itās like pulling teeth I agree yeh, single or getting away from his wife,yeh,right, but, WHY DO IT FOR NOWT?? when he can persuade his boss to do it in a way where he can achieve that and at the same time get paid.
That way he gets a new bird, as he has a few quid, and starts to save for a new gaff as he has some money in his pocketā¦ffs!
Iām getting bored with this ā ā ā ā now, not starting at midnight for no pay this Sunday, so Iām able to go for, and pay for a pint of John Smiths Iām off 
robroy:
ā¦ If these guys want to be (unpaid) heroes to their boss I couldnāt give a [zb], let the [zb] crack on, but if them doing so could potentially affect me or my wage then I then do give a [zb]
This sums it up exactly!
Iām thinking that by starting Sunday evening in āhis own timeā he might actually be ensuring that the job doesnāt encroach into his weekend at the other end of the week. I suppose it rather depends how heās paid and how the work is planned - If heās hourly paid and the weekās runs (or at least, the first couple of daysā runs) are already planned at the outset, does it really make any difference whether he does a few hours on Sunday then a shorter day on Monday, or the full 15 hours (or whatever is planned) on the Monday?
Roymondo:
does it really make any difference whether he does a few hours on Sunday then a shorter day on Monday, or the full 15 hours (or whatever is planned) on the Monday?
it makes a difference to his wage, he doesnāt get paid for sunday or his night out, but cos he worked sunday for nowt he works less hrs on mon when he would be paid
so he works sun and does an extra night out for less money than he would get if he had sun off
green456:
Roymondo:
does it really make any difference whether he does a few hours on Sunday then a shorter day on Monday, or the full 15 hours (or whatever is planned) on the Monday?it makes a difference to his wage, he doesnāt get paid for sunday or his night out, but cos he worked sunday for nowt he works less hrs on mon when he would be paid
so he works sun and does an extra night out for less money than he would get if he had sun off
Did you miss the bit where I said āIt rather depends how heās paidā?