I have a few questions on the show me and tell me
questions for the test. I have printed the word doc from
Krankees post at the top and have started reading it
today. My questions are -
How does this part work for the test as I have worked
out there is 19 tell me questions, 18 show me and 4
identify questions like where is the windscreen washer
reservoir and how would you check level.
How many do they ask and do you need to do a daily
check around the vehicle for the test or does the examiner
tell you what to check.
5 questions for Category C and just 2 questions for Category C+E. The sequences of questions are listed on the DSA website.
Fail ALL of the questions and you fail the test. Something to remember on a C+E test.
And don’t assume that because you are taking a test in a flat bed, that they will not ask you about the Loading Doors being secure.
Some of the sequences (as listed), indicate a question or two outside of the vehicle, and then another question or two inside the vehicle, followed by a question that has to be demonstrated outside of the vehicle.
I queried this with the DSA, particularly with regard to inclement weather, and their reply was that the questions could be asked in any order. Methinks the author of the sequences had not thought it through very well. A talent that the DSA demonstrates on a regular basis.
Another question that I have known slipped in was “What else would you check before commencing a journey?” After much head scratching, the answer turned out to be “That you have enough fuel.” Hardly appropriate in the current climate of fuel cards and suchlike.
Another one to be wary of is “This vehicle is fitted with a Secondary braking system. If the footbrake were to fail, how would you operate it?” - First one to answer gets a “smart-arse” award. I think the answer is in the manual but I’ve never heard of it being asked.
Krankee:
Another one to be wary of is “This vehicle is fitted with a Secondary braking system. If the footbrake were to fail, how would you operate it?” - First one to answer gets a “smart-arse” award. I think the answer is in the manual but I’ve never heard of it being asked.
Well, on my wagon I would apply the handbrake just short of the park position.
Can I have the “smart-arse” award now please
Pehaps the DSA could instruct VOSA on this item. The examiner who last tested my wagon didn’t have a clue how to operate the hand valve correctly.
Correct. The first portion of the parking brake is a “progressive brake”.
Ideal for when in queing traffic on a downhill stretch. Seat back, boots off and feet on dashboard. Control the vehicle solely on the parking brake. - Highly unprofessional.
Examiner wont ask you to do a daily check,as is assumed that you have been driving vehicle before going for test and that you did your daily check with your instructor first thing that morning,well I was nt asked anyway.
On my rigid test was asked simple questions like where d ya check the oil,and wipers are working and me bendy test when asked one of the 2 questions I know for sure that I spieled off totally the wrong answer to a similar question,but still passed
repton:
They’re in sets of 5 questions. They ask you all 5 out of one set, so in theory once they ask the first question you know what all the others will be.
When I did my test, the questions did not tally with any of the five sets stated - i.e. there were questions from more than one set.
Mind you, it was raining and the examiner didn’t want to be standing around outside
I think he had been put off his usual routine because standard procedure at Weedon is to do the Q&A first, then the reversing, then the braking. I had to start with the braking as the cones on the reversing area were already set up for the larger vehicles on test that afternoon, so we got in the cab and drove round to the braking area, then did the Q&A session - at which point we were already in the cab so doing the external “show me” questions would have meant getting out again.
Of course there should be no need to sound the horn while the vehicle is stationary! (Not only that but it’s probably illegal as well!)
How do you know if it works or not if you do not sound it whilst stationary?
as part of our daily checks (on issue of a unit, before getting a load) - we have to sound the horn as well as checking the glass/wipers/washers/mirrors/paper discs/vehicle structure(mudflaps etc)/fuel/cleanliness/lights…now where’s the defect pad
Of course there should be no need to sound the horn while the vehicle is stationary! (Not only that but it’s probably illegal as well!)
How do you know if it works or not if you do not sound it whilst stationary?
as part of our daily checks (on issue of a unit, before getting a load) - we have to sound the horn as well as checking the glass/wipers/washers/mirrors/paper discs/vehicle structure(mudflaps etc)/fuel/cleanliness/lights…now where’s the defect pad
The Highway Code says:
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The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn:
while stationary on the road
when driving in a built up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
Of course there should be no need to sound the horn while the vehicle is stationary! (Not only that but it’s probably illegal as well!)
How do you know if it works or not if you do not sound it whilst stationary?
as part of our daily checks (on issue of a unit, before getting a load) - we have to sound the horn as well as checking the glass/wipers/washers/mirrors/paper discs/vehicle structure(mudflaps etc)/fuel/cleanliness/lights…now where’s the defect pad
The Highway Code says:
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The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn:
while stationary on the road
when driving in a built up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another vehicle poses a danger.
The way i see it, if you test the horn in the yard before departure, or demonstrate it at the test centre for test, you are not on the road, so you would still be following the highway code.
Another question I have Is do you have to answer the tell me
questions word for word perfect. For example this question - Tell me
the main safety factors involved in loading this vehicle.
And the correct answer would be -
The load should be evenly distributed throughout the length of the vehicle so as
not to affect control while the vehicle is being driven. Any load must be carried
so that it does not endanger other road users. It must be securely stowed within the
size and weight limits for the vehicle. The load needs to be secure so that it
cannot move or fall from the vehicle when cornering or braking.
Or can you answer that question in your own words and say something
like -
The load should be evenly distributed so it not affect control
of vehicle when driven.
It must be secure and with in the weight limits for the vehicle.
The load needs to be secure so that it cannot move or fall from the
vehicle when cornering or braking and must not endanger other road users.
As I am doing Category C do I need to read the bottom bit
Just past halfway down the page.
LORRY AND TRAILER, PCV AND TRAILER(Categories: C+E & C1+E, D+E & D1+E)
for point 2, it is my understanding that they DO NOT apply to you for a rigid.
For point 1, no you do not need to be word perfect. The answers given are the model answers. You just need to cover the points in your own words. Best way… practice with someone else, and they can check you have covered each point e.g. load security, distribution etc.
As for question 1
I will Wright it down in my own words and make
sure I have the main points covered. That should
be easier to remember now.
I was not sure about my question 2 as Category C was not listed but
C1+E was. which is Lorries between 3500kg and 7500kg
with a trailer over 750kg - total weight not more than 12000kg
and you have to be 21+. I thought C1+E would be Category
C with it being up to 12000kg as some Category C
training vehicles are 10000kg and you have to be 21+ .
In my experience I did not answer word for word and with both my rigid and artic the examiner moved on to next question before I fully answered questions,cause I think if you answer in your own words it sounds like you have learnt and understand the answers instead of just learning the spiel and just repeating them off(just my experience)
A talent that the DSA demonstrates on a regular basis.
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