8 to 10-metre (ie pre-12m) tilts from the '60s

jshepguis:
Here is another one Ro from a previous thread on here.

What a fantastic picture jshepguis! Thanks for posting. That one is clearly an 8m tilt. Now that we know that UK cross-channel tilts seemed to come in 8m, 10m and 11m lengths in the '50s & '60s; and the Continental ones at approx 10m, 11m and 12m it is easier to identify the approx lengths of all the trailers on this thread. Indeed, I have created temporary separate folders for each on my laptop just for while this thread is running.

I see that Translode trailer sports Paris and Rotterdam as its main destinations.

Nice to see an Atkinson example. I seem to remember a similar Atkinson / tilt setup with an A.T.L.A.S. trailer if anyone can find the pic!

Ro

39406630211_ee3ed3a5a7_c (1).jpg

Thanks for all the answers and suggestions about the mysterious Deman artic, but I think I have it right now!

Here’s a simple zoom on the high-resolution picture: it’s written Scania-Vabis on the bonnet. Almost certainly an International M 426 repowered with a Scania engine and fitted with a locally-made cab. The front wheel hubs are typical.

NMPs: they’re taken from the Ackworth thread (most of them by BigAW).

Ackworth appears to have run its early 8m tilts in four-in-line configuration. Here are some interesting examples.

CRTS-album1-15-1024x779.jpg
CRTS-album1-18-1024x830.jpg


scan0003 - Copy-page-001.jpg
scan0007-page-001.jpg

This one appears to be an 11m example behind what must have been one of DAFs earliest exports to UK!

30cayav.jpg

The pamphlet page (posted earlier by Tiptop) showing evidence that this one was an 11m tilt:

102830474_3195710997138528_5529493000146948595_n.jpg

As far as i remember the euro work was set up in the mid 50s and was i believe one of the first from the uk to go over the water and the link up with van gaever lasted while mid 70s some of the early loads went on flats before the tilts were used ,bearing in mind i was told all this when i started in early 80s from old hands that had been overseas in very basic units ,there was a office in purfleet and a office in hull at the docks i believe they did go into russia at some point but there was a lot of trls dropped at the dock and visversa i missed a trick years ago not taken pics from that era i was offered and not many of the people involved are still alive when i started at ackworth a lot of the tilts were parked up in the graveyard but no mobile phones with cameras there was also some dog and pups buffalos i believe and guys which had to be made special for the lenth and weight , never saw them in action to late but there was a far amount of traffic moving around ,all the pics i have posted were from Onward Holdings website with permission

Andy

BIGAW:
As far as i remember the euro work was set up in the mid 50s and was i believe one of the first from the uk to go over the water and the link up with van gaever lasted while mid 70s some of the early loads went on flats before the tilts were used ,bearing in mind i was told all this when i started in early 80s from old hands that had been overseas in very basic units ,there was a office in purfleet and a office in hull at the docks i believe they did go into russia at some point but there was a lot of trls dropped at the dock and visversa i missed a trick years ago not taken pics from that era i was offered and not many of the people involved are still alive when i started at ackworth a lot of the tilts were parked up in the graveyard but no mobile phones with cameras there was also some dog and pups buffalos i believe and guys which had to be made special for the lenth and weight , never saw them in action to late but there was a far amount of traffic moving around ,all the pics i have posted were from Onward Holdings website with permission

Andy

Thank you for those insights Andy! With Euro work set up in the mid-'50s, Ackworth must have been more or less pioneers in cross-channel Ro-Ro traffic then. I think there were only the Tilbury-Antwerp and the Preston-Larne Ro-Ro ferries in existence at that time [someone put me right if I’m wrong there]. Interesting times for transport men.

Ro

ERF-NGC-European:

BIGAW:
As far as i remember the euro work was set up in the mid 50s and was i believe one of the first from the uk to go over the water and the link up with van gaever lasted while mid 70s some of the early loads went on flats before the tilts were used ,bearing in mind i was told all this when i started in early 80s from old hands that had been overseas in very basic units ,there was a office in purfleet and a office in hull at the docks i believe they did go into russia at some point but there was a lot of trls dropped at the dock and visversa i missed a trick years ago not taken pics from that era i was offered and not many of the people involved are still alive when i started at ackworth a lot of the tilts were parked up in the graveyard but no mobile phones with cameras there was also some dog and pups buffalos i believe and guys which had to be made special for the lenth and weight , never saw them in action to late but there was a far amount of traffic moving around ,all the pics i have posted were from Onward Holdings website with permission

Andy

Thank you for those insights Andy! With Euro work set up in the mid-'50s, Ackworth must have been more or less pioneers in cross-channel Ro-Ro traffic then. I think there were only the Tilbury-Antwerp and the Preston-Larne Ro-Ro ferries in existence at that time [someone put me right if I’m wrong there]. Interesting times for transport men.

Ro

I think you are right Ro,i dont recall reading about any other ferry services apart from the ones you have mentioned. Do you know who the ferry operator was ? :unamused: :laughing:

Andy, Thats right before the tilts flats were definately used,like the one below from 1965.

flat 65.PNG

My apoligise if posted twice some flats on here.

Three-lorries-in-a-row-1024x682.png

sorry again if double post

$(KGrHqZ,!r!E+oZLDp5fBQMi5Ll7O!~~60_12.jpg

P05136.jpg

No probs BIGAW! Were those 11m or 12m tilts behind those Scammell twin-steer units - can you remember?

ERF-NGC-European:
No probs BIGAW! Were those 11m or 12m tilts behind those Scammell twin-steer units - can you remember?

i would think 12m because they were chopped down for flats i think when the service finished

BIGAW:

ERF-NGC-European:
No probs BIGAW! Were those 11m or 12m tilts behind those Scammell twin-steer units - can you remember?

i would think 12m because they were chopped down for flats i think when the service finished

Thanks mate. :sunglasses:

BIGAW:
My apoligise if posted twice some flats on here.

Thanks for posting those great pics Andy,very intresting. :wink:

Heres a couple of Ackworth articles.

Click on pages twice to read.

ERF-NGC-European:

BIGAW:
As far as i remember the euro work was set up in the mid 50s and was i believe one of the first from the uk to go over the water and the link up with van gaever lasted while mid 70s some of the early loads went on flats before the tilts were used ,bearing in mind i was told all this when i started in early 80s from old hands that had been overseas in very basic units ,there was a office in purfleet and a office in hull at the docks i believe they did go into russia at some point but there was a lot of trls dropped at the dock and visversa i missed a trick years ago not taken pics from that era i was offered and not many of the people involved are still alive when i started at ackworth a lot of the tilts were parked up in the graveyard but no mobile phones with cameras there was also some dog and pups buffalos i believe and guys which had to be made special for the lenth and weight , never saw them in action to late but there was a far amount of traffic moving around ,all the pics i have posted were from Onward Holdings website with permission

Andy

Thank you for those insights Andy! With Euro work set up in the mid-'50s, Ackworth must have been more or less pioneers in cross-channel Ro-Ro traffic then. I think there were only the Tilbury-Antwerp and the Preston-Larne Ro-Ro ferries in existence at that time [someone put me right if I’m wrong there]. Interesting times for transport men.

Ro

The ferry was operated by The Transport Ferry Service who were part of The Atlantic Steam Navigation Company Ltd. What a great name.

There was a film made about this by BFI that i think was called “road across the sea” from memory. I am sure it is on utube,so if someone knows
how to load it on here that would be good ?

1958 advert.Click on page twice to read.

DEANB:
Heres a couple of Ackworth articles.

Click on pages twice to read.

3

2

1

0

Interesting piece, that second one. We know they did Moscow but one wonders how far they ever got with the America plan!

Not sure any ackworth lads went into Russia more likely the van gaever boys but never herd of any thing going as far as the states ,they always said that when the trls returned from over the water the tyres were always nearly new going out and part worn or bald coming back looks like someone was on a fiddle ,i still talk to one off the old lads who was running the office at hull and spent time over in antwerp he may shed some light over the russia and usa .

Andy

On a tangent but worth a watch.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2hY2hdYWNeY

Next to the Tilbury - Antwerp service, there was also Tilbury - Rotterdam. Some haulers on the Continent were in Belgium & Holland ops. : Camerman/Europa Express (eg. Ackworth trailers, Monk’s trailers, Ferrymasters trailers), Leopold Van Gaever (eg. Ackworth trailers, Smiths of Eccles trailers, Ferrymasters trailers), SANSSE (eg. Bass trailers, Monk’s trailers), Soc. Belgo-Anglaise des Ferryboats (eg. Whitebread trailers, BRS trailers), Westfriesland (eg. Whitebread, John Russell Ltd. trailers), König (eg. Ackworth trailers)…

Kempston:
On a tangent but worth a watch.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2hY2hdYWNeY

What a lovely piece of film! I’ve not seen that before. Thanks for posting in it Kempston! Ro