Does anybody have weeks where you have to stop or refuse to work due to the 60 hour maximum working week rule. Couple of long days early in week near 15hr shifts and already up near 30hrs can cause problems with shifts on back end of week, does anybody come across this problem often?
The 60 hour working week doesn’t include breaks or poa mate its just driving and other work!
as above I have about 60 drivers working for me and I think in the last 2 years I have had one who hit 60 hours, he had poa but hadn’t put it down as poa.
Can’t say I. I’m sitting 38 hours. Haven’t seen it stop other drivers though. Speaking to a Wincaton driver said he regularly does 70-80 hour weeks.
Thanks for replies, most transport work will involve a fair amount of poa so prob would have to do a ridiculous amount of hours but talking to a friend who never uses it, nearly always just unloads, loads himself and not a lot of waiting about due to type of work(skip,tipper stuff)and even minus breaks has to watch weekly hours,wondering how common this was but sounds like not a common problem for most drivers.
Boris1971:
Thanks for replies, most transport work will involve a fair amount of poa so prob would have to do a ridiculous amount of hours but talking to a friend who never uses it, nearly always just unloads, loads himself and not a lot of waiting about due to type of work(skip,tipper stuff)and even minus breaks has to watch weekly hours,wondering how common this was but sounds like not a common problem for most drivers.
6/5 or 84 hours/ 71 hours = lots of POA plop 
POA should not be used to extend your working week.
There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.
The 60 hour limit should be about the total length of all the shifts done that week. This daft idea about “not getting paid for breaks” when you are legally obliged to take them - makes victims of the unwary all the time alas.
What does the driver who’s just worked the shift I’ve depicted in line two above say when they kill some kid whilst returning to base with the nodding dog one friday morning? 
Winseer:
POA should not be used to extend your working week.There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.
The 60 hour limit should be about the total length of all the shifts done that week. This daft idea about “not getting paid for breaks” when you are legally obliged to take them - makes victims of the unwary all the time alas.
What does the driver who’s just worked the shift I’ve depicted in line two above say when they kill some kid whilst returning to base with the nodding dog one friday morning?
So Winseer even though your example in line two is legal and with adequate daily rests either side you, would you carry out that shift as a now and then occurrence?
the original idea of the WTD was to limit total shift time to 48 hours but the UK vetoed it which is why we now have it as working time only so does not include poa or breaks
From what I can make out the UK Govt was afraid that wages would need to go up a lot and more drivers would be needed to cover the silly hours many drivers did and do now making hauliers unhappy and putting up inflation
Boris1971:
Winseer:
POA should not be used to extend your working week.There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.
The 60 hour limit should be about the total length of all the shifts done that week. This daft idea about “not getting paid for breaks” when you are legally obliged to take them - makes victims of the unwary all the time alas.
What does the driver who’s just worked the shift I’ve depicted in line two above say when they kill some kid whilst returning to base with the nodding dog one friday morning?
So Winseer even though your example in line two is legal and with adequate daily rests either side you, would you carry out that shift as a now and then occurrence?
He did not say line 2 was legal - he said some think it is
he actually said OK 
ROG:
Boris1971:
Winseer:
POA should not be used to extend your working week.There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.
The 60 hour limit should be about the total length of all the shifts done that week. This daft idea about “not getting paid for breaks” when you are legally obliged to take them - makes victims of the unwary all the time alas.
What does the driver who’s just worked the shift I’ve depicted in line two above say when they kill some kid whilst returning to base with the nodding dog one friday morning?
So Winseer even though your example in line two is legal and with adequate daily rests either side you, would you carry out that shift as a now and then occurrence?
He did not say line 2 was legal - he said some think it is
So if it is not legal, then Winseer is telling us that breaking the law,falling asleep at the wheel and running somebody over is something he disapproves of, Thanks ill pass it on.
On the matter of hours racked up, i believe the ultimate controlling power lies solely and unerringly with yourself. Check true diameter of testes with caliper gauge and accordingly state your cut-off point for being golden showered (i presume youre not enjoying being stretched out to close on your legal max) The old saying..... "you only get treated how you allow yourself to be treated" has arguably never been more applicable than in these days of profit driven everything. Lest we forget, there is a legal onus on the company/planners to make their schedules legally do-able. You could perhaps surreptitiously try to uncover the guarded, secret techniques of the yards kiss ■■■ golden boys.
Also arguably, this is one of the reasons agency work is just fine for some. If a say, 45hr working week is what you seek, get yourself hooked up to a 3shift agreement (preferable), or perhaps 3 different agencies giving you one crap shift each? (hey-ho)
But, 4 days off! (nice, if thats where your life is at). OR...............negotiate a nice, fat overnight deal and carry your kit with you always. (Im not kick starting another agency versus F/T domestic on here, just saying that`s one possible route).
As for the legalities, see any post other than mine. 
Boris1971:
Winseer:
There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.So Winseer even though your example in line two is legal and with adequate daily rests either side you, would you carry out that shift as a now and then occurrence?
Assuming a reasonable definition of POA would be sitting around on alert waiting to be told to move off a loading dock for example,how does 9 + 5 + 1 + 3 hours meet even the existing ridiculously compromised daily rest period provision.
Carryfast:
Boris1971:
Winseer:
There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.So Winseer even though your example in line two is legal and with adequate daily rests either side you, would you carry out that shift as a now and then occurrence?
Assuming a reasonable definition of POA would be sitting around on alert waiting to be told to move off a loading dock for example,how does 9 + 5 + 1 + 3 hours meet even the existing ridiculously compromised daily rest period provision.
all you need is to put the loading on break and the poa too then its 1 more hour and your fresh to go again!
war1974:
all you need is to put the loading on break and the poa too then its 1 more hour and your fresh to go again!
That idea is getting into a minefield regarding the definition of 9 let alone 11 hours ‘daily rest’. 
I’m on for a flour mill at the moment, almost all of our drops are 4 hours away. Factor in 1-2 hours blowing the tank off, 15 min daily checks then an hour back at the yard reloading/weighing/shunting and I am most weeks within 5 hours of my max.
Winseer:
POA should not be used to extend your working week.There are some who think that 9 hours driving, 5 hours on loading, 1 hour break, and 3 hours POA in the same shift is “OK”.
The 60 hour limit should be about the total length of all the shifts done that week. This daft idea about “not getting paid for breaks” when you are legally obliged to take them - makes victims of the unwary all the time alas.
What does the driver who’s just worked the shift I’ve depicted in line two above say when they kill some kid whilst returning to base with the nodding dog one friday morning?
If drivers think that is legal best they had their licences back, never worked 18 hours in any job I have done in 32 years not going to start now!!!
Obviously it’s not right to work 18hr day in the example above but none of the usual Gurus and not explaining why it is or not legal in ref to the rules, C mon !!
I’ve done 65 hours before but my driving and other work was only about 42 hours for that week.
I’ve been at 57 hours on one week which is when I got put on a rigid for a few days doing single pallet drops on tail lift, so no POA.
I think you’d be hard pressed to go over the 60 hours when you take your breaks and POA out.