bowserman:
Out of interest, has anyone ever been prosecuted for WTD infringements?
I can’t find a link to it but I’m sure I read an article once where a company and some drivers were prosecuted for WTD offences, it was part of a bigger operation where both the company and drivers were convicted of a series of drivers hours offences, I doubt anyone in road transport has been prosecuted for only WTD offences.
Sorry to bring this up again but I took advice from this thread a couple of times and took 15 minutes in the first six hours and have had a couple of infringements to sign.
They say it should be 30 mins.
I followed the link and it gives two examples but both say a quarter hour after 6 hours of other work, driving is not mentioned.
In examples where driving is mentioned it says half hour must be taken.
aranger:
Sorry to bring this up again but I took advice from this thread a couple of times and took 15 minutes in the first six hours and have had a couple of infringements to sign.
They say it should be 30 mins.
I followed the link and it gives two examples but both say a quarter hour after 6 hours of other work, driving is not mentioned.
In examples where driving is mentioned it says half hour must be taken.
6 hours other work ¼ hr break 2 hours other work ¼ hr break 1 hour other work End of shift
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
The Regulations require that:
mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break,
if your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes,
if your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes, breaks should be of at least 15 minutes duration.
Make sure that you don’t exceed the six hours after taking your breaks. I once did a 15 hour spread and took 2 x 45 min breaks and got an infringement because I worked over 6 hours after taking the breaks.
After you’ve FIRST complied with the driving hours regs…
Work / driving, it’s all work for the purpose of working time regs.
Work 6 hours dead = no break required
Work 6 - 9 hours = 30 total, which could be 30 OR 15+15 somewhere in the shift. (If you take a 30 or 15 somewhere too soon into the shift, then you’re likely to have to take another break later to avoid going over a stretch of 6 hours)
Work over 9 hours = 45 total, which could be 45, 30+15, 15+30, 15+15+15. (Again take these strategically to eliminate having to take an extra one)
For example I started at 1430 today, and knew I wasn’t going to exceed 4:30 driving. So I went and did my first three deliverys and a collection and before heading back to the yard, took 15 at 1845 - 1900. Went back to the yard to collect a second load and dropped that and returned to the yard at 2120. Got fueled up, paperwork done and back on a bay, but before finishing, as I was over 6hrs total work for the shift, had the second 15, 1 min other work and pulled the card.
aranger:
Sorry to bring this up again but I took advice from this thread a couple of times and took 15 minutes in the first six hours and have had a couple of infringements to sign.
They say it should be 30 mins.
I followed the link and it gives two examples but both say a quarter hour after 6 hours of other work, driving is not mentioned.
In examples where driving is mentioned it says half hour must be taken.
6 hours other work ¼ hr break 2 hours other work ¼ hr break 1 hour other work End of shift
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
Who ever is giving you infringements needs to read the rules again and the hundreds of other threads about it, it seems that if you point it out, they come up with, “it is company policy,” that is fine as long as the spotty nerd on the traffic desk understands why you have parked up for 1/2 an hour while his customer is threatening him with a Eunuchs holiday.
aranger:
Sorry to bring this up again but I took advice from this thread a couple of times and took 15 minutes in the first six hours and have had a couple of infringements to sign.
They say it should be 30 mins.
I followed the link and it gives two examples but both say a quarter hour after 6 hours of other work, driving is not mentioned.
In examples where driving is mentioned it says half hour must be taken.
6 hours other work ¼ hr break 2 hours other work ¼ hr break 1 hour other work End of shift
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
These are the further examples below the ones you quoted and I agree that perhaps they could have made it clearer by putting some driving time into those examples after all, those are examples for mobile workers!!
The examples below shows two mobile workers A and B both working for 9 hours which means that their working time must be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling 30 minutes. The first example complies with the break requirements under the Regulations, the second does not.
Mobile worker A
6 hours other work - ¼ hr break - 2 hours other work - ¼ hr break - 1 hour other work - End of shift
6 hours consecutive other work triggers the break requirement under the Regulations. A break of at least 15 minutes must be taken. Mobile worker A then does another 2 hours other work, takes a break for 15 minutes and then completes another hour of other work before ending their shift. This complies with the Regulations as their working time is interrupted by breaks totalling 30 minutes.
Mobile worker B
6 hours other work - ¼ hr break - 3 hours other work - ¼ hr break - this is not legal the second break cannot be taken at the end of the shift
6 hours consecutive other work triggers the break requirement under the Regulations. A break of at least 15 minutes must be taken. Mobile worker B then does another 3 hours other work before taking his second 15 minute break at the end of their shift. This does not comply with the Regulations as their working time has not been interrupted by breaks totalling 30 minute. It has only been interrupted by a break of 15 minutes.
Thanks for taking the time to help its much appreciated.
They are not making a big deal of these things but I complained about the Depot managers style of management so want to keep my nose clean till I find something else.
The other drivers where saying I was wrong also so I thought I would check before refusing to sign the infringements.
Must admit I have been lucky as we work 12 hour shifts and I got the first 6 hours and blocks of six hours mixed up aswell.
aranger:
Sorry to bring this up again but I took advice from this thread a couple of times and took 15 minutes in the first six hours and have had a couple of infringements to sign.
They say it should be 30 mins.
I followed the link and it gives two examples but both say a quarter hour after 6 hours of other work, driving is not mentioned.
In examples where driving is mentioned it says half hour must be taken.
6 hours other work ¼ hr break 2 hours other work ¼ hr break 1 hour other work End of shift
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
Who ever is giving you infringements needs to read the rules again and the hundreds of other threads about it, it seems that if you point it out, they come up with, “it is company policy,” that is fine as long as the spotty nerd on the traffic desk understands why you have parked up for 1/2 an hour while his customer is threatening him with a Eunuchs holiday.
That will no doubt be their answer Wheelnut as they are never wrong.
My neighbour works for DHL and they have this thing about 30 mins up to six hours. If it is company policy as opposed to law then infringements are not really relevant and could lead to confusion.
aranger:
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
Print of the post in this thread from nick2008 which contains a copy of an email he received from the Department for Transport when he sought clarification from them. It confirms that only 15 minutes is required before exceeding 6 hours work.
If conformation from the department who run VOSA isn’t good enough for them then nothing will be.
aranger:
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
Print of the post in this thread from nick2008 which contains a copy of an email he received from the Department for Transport when he sought clarification from them. It confirms that only 15 minutes is required before exceeding 6 hours work.
If conformation from the department who run VOSA isn’t good enough for them then nothing will be.
That is a second time you posted it Coffe in this thread !!! I know it is helpful but cannot some people just read the thread from the beginning?
MisterStrood:
That is a second time you posted it Coffe in this thread !!! I know it is helpful but cannot some people just read the thread from the beginning?
I can’t see it posted twice either, what I can see is Coffeeholics interpretation of the RTD regulations and the letter from the DFT to Nick2008. They just happen to say the same thing, funny that
aranger:
I can`t see a another post from him on this thread with that link.
Read it loads of times through the years and never noticed any links to quotes from vosa.
Yes you are right it was in that thread :WTD 30 min break rule - #23 by coffeeholic - SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTE - Trucknet UK
I have been confused as there are so many of them on this forum that is hard to understand why people still do not understand regulations that is in force for 6 years
How some people work in this industry without knowing Basic rules is still a mystery for me
And than still you have many of users in here insisting that Eastern Europeans are buying their licenses on line
aranger:
Could I get a bit of clarification on this before I make a James Hunt of myself.
Thanks for any help…
Print of the post in this thread from nick2008 which contains a copy of an email he received from the Department for Transport when he sought clarification from them. It confirms that only 15 minutes is required before exceeding 6 hours work.
If conformation from the department who run VOSA isn’t good enough for them then nothing will be.
That is a second time you posted it Coffe in this thread !!! I know it is helpful but cannot some people just read the thread from the beginning?
sorry have made a mistake - not this thread I mixed it with other I know and made myself look like ■■■■■■
What was written by ministers at the start of the transcript was …a driver should take 6 hours rest after each 30 minute period of work…as usual we ■■■■ out again…just cos he was dyslexic…
aranger:
I can`t see a another post from him on this thread with that link.
Read it loads of times through the years and never noticed any links to quotes from vosa.
Yes you are right it was in that thread :WTD 30 min break rule - #23 by coffeeholic - SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTE - Trucknet UK
I have been confused as there are so many of them on this forum that is hard to understand why people still do not understand regulations that is in force for 6 years
How some people work in this industry without knowing Basic rules is still a mystery for me
And than still you have many of users in here insisting that Eastern Europeans are buying their licenses on line
So now I am lazy and a chancer, I am doing well today.
Thats me told then I will not ask for any advice again for fear of upsetting the Internet polis.
Maybe when all around me are saying I am wrong it might be better to check before I look like a right ■■■■■■.
You will note I posted a link that I searched for and was just seeking clarification as examples used where unclear to a chancer like myself.
aranger:
I can`t see a another post from him on this thread with that link.
Read it loads of times through the years and never noticed any links to quotes from vosa.
Yes you are right it was in that thread :WTD 30 min break rule - #23 by coffeeholic - SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTE - Trucknet UK
I have been confused as there are so many of them on this forum that is hard to understand why people still do not understand regulations that is in force for 6 years
How some people work in this industry without knowing Basic rules is still a mystery for me
And than still you have many of users in here insisting that Eastern Europeans are buying their licenses on line
So now I am lazy and a chancer, I am doing well today.
Thats me told then I will not ask for any advice again for fear of upsetting the Internet polis.
Maybe when all around me are saying I am wrong it might be better to check before I look like a right ■■■■■■.
You will note I posted a link that I searched for and was just seeking clarification as examples used where unclear to a chancer like myself.
Didn’t I say SORRY and that I have made a mistake.
No you are not lazy and you did a right thing I mixed two different threads if I have to repeat myself.
But yes in the future you may check before posting and in above thread I think all was clear before you made your post.
No offence than, I also was and still I am in many occasions wrong by some people but it doesn’t make me to post again about something again and again.
Some people are just illiterate ( not you, those of that are saying you are wrong ) as regulation is quite clear IMHO and here I can add that English is not my first language.
