45 min break

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mickrick:
When you take a 45 break I am right In thinking its 30 min then 15
Why does every site I look at state 15 then 30?

:open_mouth:

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I deffo saw that info on a website that was endorsed by vosa
I will try and fi d it a d post the link

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Silver_Surfer:
Just ignore the WTD & stick to the driving regs & you be golden. Thatā€™s what I do anyway.

Far too easy to come unstuck with that approach if you have a job that involves a fair amount of work as well as driving (e.g. virtually anything that involves multi-drop, where the load has to be hand-balled, or where the driver has to load the vehicle himself). I hardly ever reach 4.5 hours drive time before I get to 6 hours work - indeed, I sometimes get to the end of my working day before clocking up 4.5 hours of driving. Horses for courses, and all that.

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A guide for drivers hours, in English

chartwise-online.com/drivers-hours-guide/

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macca73:
A guide for drivers hours, in English

chartwise-online.com/drivers-hours-guide/

I havenā€™t seen the booklet they send out but theyā€™ve been mentioned here before, and not in a good way.

what is this explanation of the 6 hour rule?

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followed your lik tacho, lol at how wrong it reads, think it mustā€™ve been updated as I have it on my phone.
This is a Email I got fae them the other day folks, re 6 hour rule/wtd:-

Chris Allen
To Me
Jul 6 at 12:55 PM
Hi Paul ,

Sorry I have not been in touch for a while things have been really
crazy here and I have been spending most of my time away from the
office either delivering training or driving around the UK putting
systems in place for operators who need some help to stay compliant.

One of the most confusing rules for drivers to get to grips with is
the 6 hour rule and I get asked to explain it all the time so I make
a point now during training sessions to bring it up and see how people
interpret this rule. I very rarely get the same answer and sometimes
drivers arenā€™t even aware of it at all which still shocks me.

As you may know in 2010 VOSA declared the honeymoon period over for
working time directive offences and since then they have been
prosecuting these infringements just as harshly as a drivers hours
offence.

The problem with the 6 hour rule is that many drivers who run
reasonable distances donā€™t ever have to think about it as they
always hit the 4.5 hour driving threshold first. To add to that the 6
hour rule also works alongside other rules which makes it more
complicated.

If you only stay local and you do other work such as
loading, yard work or office work then there is a good chance that
you will need to watch out for the 6 hour rule.

In short the 6 hour rule is:

A driver may not WORK (That means both driving & other work) for more
than 6 hours at once without taking a break.

Before working beyond the 6 hours you must have taken a break of at
least 15 minutes.

You can take this before or upon reaching 6 hours of work. So long
as you do not work longer than 6 hours without separating it with a
break.

If working between 6 and 9 hours then you are requires to have taken
at least 30 minutes of break in total before the end of your shift.
This can be taken all at once or in sections of 15 minutes, but just
remember that you can never work more than 6 hours in one stretch.

This pattern continues if working beyond the 9 hours threshold
whereby a further 15 minutes is required. Once again this 45 minutes
can be taken all at once so long as you abide by the 6 hour rule.

To make this as simple as possible follow these rules:

  1. You must take a break of at least 15 minutes either within the
    first 6 hours of work or upon reaching 6 hours of working time in
    total.
  2. If you are going to work longer than 6 hours you must take at
    least another 15 minutes (30 minutes in total) before your total
    working time exceeds 9 hours and before you complete your shift.
    3)If you are going to work more than 9 hours then you must take at
    least another 15 minutes (45 minutes in total) before your total
    working time goes over 9 hours or before you complete your shift.
    4)Never work more than 6 hours at once with out taking a break.

*Any attempt to take a break which is less than 15 minutes will not
qualify as a break.
*Break cannot be taken at the end of the shift, you must continue
working for the break period to qualify.

The best way I find to help people understand this is by showing some
examples. You will find some within the drivers hours guide, but
more will be added to the website in time.

If you have any questions or would like to discuss your regular
working day to see how it effects you then please reply to this email
or give me a call on (0191) 491 5032

Thank you
From
Chris at Driver Hours
Driver Hours, 143 Princesway North, Team Valley Trading Estate, Gateshead, Tyne & Wear NE11 0TU, UNITED KINGDOM

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47

macca73:
followed your lik tacho, lol at how wrong it reads, think it mustā€™ve been updated as I have it on my phone.
This is a Email I got fae them the other day folks, re 6 hour rule/wtd:-

Chris Allen
To Me
Jul 6 at 12:55 PM
Hi Paul ,

Sorry I have not been in touch for a while things have been really
crazy here and I have been spending most of my time away from the
office either delivering training or driving around the UK putting
systems in place for operators who need some help to stay compliant.

One of the most confusing rules for drivers to get to grips with is
the 6 hour rule and I get asked to explain it all the time so I make
a point now during training sessions to bring it up and see how people
interpret this rule. I very rarely get the same answer and sometimes
drivers arenā€™t even aware of it at all which still shocks me.

As you may know in 2010 VOSA declared the honeymoon period over for
working time directive offences and since then they have been
prosecuting these infringements just as harshly as a drivers hours
offence.

The problem with the 6 hour rule is that many drivers who run
reasonable distances donā€™t ever have to think about it as they
always hit the 4.5 hour driving threshold first. To add to that the 6
hour rule also works alongside other rules which makes it more
complicated.

If you only stay local and you do other work such as
loading, yard work or office work then there is a good chance that
you will need to watch out for the 6 hour rule.

In short the 6 hour rule is:

A driver may not WORK (That means both driving & other work) for more
than 6 hours at once without taking a break.

Before working beyond the 6 hours you must have taken a break of at
least 15 minutes.

You can take this before or upon reaching 6 hours of work. So long
as you do not work longer than 6 hours without separating it with a
break.

If working between 6 and 9 hours then you are requires to have taken
at least 30 minutes of break in total before the end of your shift.
This can be taken all at once or in sections of 15 minutes, but just
remember that you can never work more than 6 hours in one stretch.

This pattern continues if working beyond the 9 hours threshold
whereby a further 15 minutes is required. Once again this 45 minutes
can be taken all at once so long as you abide by the 6 hour rule.

To make this as simple as possible follow these rules:

  1. You must take a break of at least 15 minutes either within the
    first 6 hours of work or upon reaching 6 hours of working time in
    total.
  2. If you are going to work longer than 6 hours you must take at
    least another 15 minutes (30 minutes in total) before your total
    working time exceeds 9 hours and before you complete your shift.
    3)If you are going to work more than 9 hours then you must take at
    least another 15 minutes (45 minutes in total) before your total
    working time goes over 9 hours or before you complete your shift.
    4)Never work more than 6 hours at once with out taking a break.

*Any attempt to take a break which is less than 15 minutes will not
qualify as a break.
*Break cannot be taken at the end of the shift, you must continue
working for the break period to qualify.

The best way I find to help people understand this is by showing some
examples. You will find some within the drivers hours guide, but
more will be added to the website in time.

If you have any questions or would like to discuss your regular
working day to see how it effects you then please reply to this email
or give me a call on (0191) 491 5032

Thank you
From
Chris at Driver Hours
Driver Hours, 143 Princesway North, Team Valley Trading Estate, Gateshead, Tyne & Wear NE11 0TU, UNITED KINGDOM

To unsubscribe or change subscriber options visit:

ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  and this guy does this for a living

I have been spending most of my time away from the
office either delivering training or driving around the UK putting
systems in place for operators who need some help to stay compliant.

Fair enough his lack of knowledge in this instance isnā€™t actually going to make operators not compliant with the regulations but if he is getting something as basic as that wrong I would be asking myself if he is getting the slightly more complicated stuff wrong as well. I would have expected that job would require someone to be able to read and understand a written regulation, and this regulation only consists of 4 or 5 lines, which he has clearly failed at in this instance. Nowhere in the regulations does it state a break is required before exceeding 9 hours work.

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If i were you mickrick, Iā€™d buy a bloody strong magnet, just to be on the safe side. :laughing:

49

Coffeeholic:

macca73:
followed your lik tacho, lol at how wrong it reads, think it mustā€™ve been updated as I have it on my phone.
This is a Email I got fae them the other day folks, re 6 hour rule/wtd:-

Chris Allen
To Me
Jul 6 at 12:55 PM
Hi Paul ,

Sorry I have not been in touch for a while things have been really
crazy here and I have been spending most of my time away from the
office either delivering training or driving around the UK putting
systems in place for operators who need some help to stay compliant.

One of the most confusing rules for drivers to get to grips with is
the 6 hour rule and I get asked to explain it all the time so I make
a point now during training sessions to bring it up and see how people
interpret this rule. I very rarely get the same answer and sometimes
drivers arenā€™t even aware of it at all which still shocks me.

As you may know in 2010 VOSA declared the honeymoon period over for
working time directive offences and since then they have been
prosecuting these infringements just as harshly as a drivers hours
offence.

The problem with the 6 hour rule is that many drivers who run
reasonable distances donā€™t ever have to think about it as they
always hit the 4.5 hour driving threshold first. To add to that the 6
hour rule also works alongside other rules which makes it more
complicated.

If you only stay local and you do other work such as
loading, yard work or office work then there is a good chance that
you will need to watch out for the 6 hour rule.

In short the 6 hour rule is:

A driver may not WORK (That means both driving & other work) for more
than 6 hours at once without taking a break.

Before working beyond the 6 hours you must have taken a break of at
least 15 minutes.

You can take this before or upon reaching 6 hours of work. So long
as you do not work longer than 6 hours without separating it with a
break.

If working between 6 and 9 hours then you are requires to have taken
at least 30 minutes of break in total before the end of your shift.
This can be taken all at once or in sections of 15 minutes, but just
remember that you can never work more than 6 hours in one stretch.

This pattern continues if working beyond the 9 hours threshold
whereby a further 15 minutes is required. Once again this 45 minutes
can be taken all at once so long as you abide by the 6 hour rule.

To make this as simple as possible follow these rules:

  1. You must take a break of at least 15 minutes either within the
    first 6 hours of work or upon reaching 6 hours of working time in
    total.
  2. If you are going to work longer than 6 hours you must take at
    least another 15 minutes (30 minutes in total) before your total
    working time exceeds 9 hours and before you complete your shift.
    3)If you are going to work more than 9 hours then you must take at
    least another 15 minutes (45 minutes in total) before your total
    working time goes over 9 hours or before you complete your shift.
    4)Never work more than 6 hours at once with out taking a break.

*Any attempt to take a break which is less than 15 minutes will not
qualify as a break.
*Break cannot be taken at the end of the shift, you must continue
working for the break period to qualify.

The best way I find to help people understand this is by showing some
examples. You will find some within the drivers hours guide, but
more will be added to the website in time.

If you have any questions or would like to discuss your regular
working day to see how it effects you then please reply to this email
or give me a call on (0191) 491 5032

Thank you
From
Chris at Driver Hours
Driver Hours, 143 Princesway North, Team Valley Trading Estate, Gateshead, Tyne & Wear NE11 0TU, UNITED KINGDOM

To unsubscribe or change subscriber options visit:

ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  and this guy does this for a living

I have been spending most of my time away from the
office either delivering training or driving around the UK putting
systems in place for operators who need some help to stay compliant.

Fair enough his lack of knowledge in this instance isnā€™t actually going to make operators not compliant with the regulations but if he is getting something as basic as that wrong I would be asking myself if he is getting the slightly more complicated stuff wrong as well. I would have expected that job would require someone to be able to read and understand a written regulation, and this regulation only consists of 4 or 5 lines, which he has clearly failed at in this instance. Nowhere in the regulations does it state a break is required before exceeding 9 hours work.

the trouble is coffee when I rang dvsa last week and spoke to their WTD help line this was the same way they said it had to be done, and even added that the last 15 mins had to be taken by 12 hours work, now I have never seen that rule anywhere so god only knows what us drivers are suppose to do to get things right :blush: :blush: :blush: