Mike-C:
bald bloke:
Mike-C:
mickrick:
When you take a 45 break I am right In thinking its 30 min then 15
Why does every site I look at state 15 then 30?
[/quoteyyMick, give us a break !!
Have I missed something
You might of mate, youâve never struck me as the sharpest of posters. Quite the opposite in fact.
Thanks Mike for your kind words !!
lolipop:
Again WHY do people find the need to go for 6 hours before they have a breakâ â ?
Do your Office Staff go 6 hrs before they have a break,NO they don`t,bet your life they have a T break after 2-3 hrs and then lunch half way through the shift and T mid afternoon and then home after 8-9 or at the extreme 10 hrs
SO WHY SHOULD YOU GO ANY LONGER TO GET A BREAK
Well said Lolly. Ive been saying the same thing for years. I never understood why anyone would think its normal to sit for 4.5hrs without stopping and getting the circulation going again. On hourly paid work I always reckon if I stop at Woodhall for a McFlurry or a Magnum (I love ice creams me), even at their extortionate prices, my 15/20 minute stop would pay for my afternoon treat and then some! I scoff at the driver who drives and drives and drives and.....the bosses must be laughing their bleedin heads off at yuz and youve no idea!
lolipop:
Again WHY do people find the need to go for 6 hours before they have a breakâ â ?
Do your Office Staff go 6 hrs before they have a break,NO they don`t,bet your life they have a T break after 2-3 hrs and then lunch half way through the shift and T mid afternoon and then home after 8-9 or at the extreme 10 hrs
SO WHY SHOULD YOU GO ANY LONGER TO GET A BREAK
dude, no oneâs saying you canât 
just you canât work more than 6 hours or drive 4.5 without taking a break.
even the blokes who hang the job out the most will have odd days where they want to crack on for their own benefit, so for those occasions itâs handy to know the regs
just for a bit of balance, iâve never seen a TM getting in bed for a few hours kip whilst on pay, BUT WHY SHOULDNâT THEY 
just for a bit of balance, iâve never seen a TM getting in bed for a few hours kip whilst on pay, BUT WHY SHOULDNâT THEY
I like that!
It always seems slightly odd to me that only among drivers are the rules on breaks seen as an imposition on the worker. In every other field of employment breaks are correctly seen as an entitlement - a big stick with which to beat the big, bad employer if he doesnât allow for them to be taken.
Just seen this on vosa website
âWorking Time Directive for drivers - if on duty for 6 hours - this includes any P.O.A , other work ( deliveries etc ), waiting time etc, a 30 minute break must be taken whether or not you have driven for the 4.5 hours allowâ
So i was right !!!
mickrick:
Just seen this on vosa website
âWorking Time Directive for drivers - if on duty for 6 hours - this includes any P.O.A , other work ( deliveries etc ), waiting time etc, a 30 minute break must be taken whether or not you have driven for the 4.5 hours allowâ
So i was right !!!
Nope thatâs not right, I donât know where you saw it but itâs not correct.
mickrick - if you really arenât trolling, stop shouting about being right and listen to what youâre told 
tachograph:
mickrick:
Just seen this on vosa website
âWorking Time Directive for drivers - if on duty for 6 hours - this includes any P.O.A , other work ( deliveries etc ), waiting time etc, a 30 minute break must be taken whether or not you have driven for the 4.5 hours allowâ
So i was right !!!Nope thatâs not right, I donât know where you saw it but itâs not correct.
Now I donât doubt him for a second, but 1 or two might not be believing, so maybe the best thing for Mick to do would be post up the link with the info, just for the one or two!!
mickrick:
Just seen this on vosa website
âWorking Time Directive for drivers - if on duty for 6 hours - this includes any P.O.A , other work ( deliveries etc ), waiting time etc, a 30 minute break must be taken whether or not you have driven for the 4.5 hours allowâ
So i was right !!!
that would never be on a vosa/dvsa site as it is totally incorrect 
So many conflicting chunks of info 
Right, Iâm going to throw a completely fabricated scenario into the mix, could people simply comment if itâs legal or not because I personally have never needed to worry about being legal with driving hours and WTD. I work for a merchant and we start at 07:30, finish at 17:00 and have 1hr lunch break to be taken as and when we choose so we never really get into any dangerous territory with driving hours.
OK, here goesâŚ
Digital unit and ONLY driving time and break mode used, no POA.
Tacho in at 07:30
Daily checks, adjustments to load etc.
Off for first drop, dropped and back in depot for 09:30 but only 30 mins driving time.
Loaded and off for 2nd drop at 12:00, arrive at 12:45 and offloaded for 13:00, move away from job and find suitable place to park at 13:15 and take 15 minutes break to comply with WTD.
1 hour 30 mins driving time taken. and itâs now 13:30
Drive back to depot - 45 minutes = 2 hour 15 minutes driving time in total.
Itâs now 14:15
Load up for 3rd drop.
Itâs now 15:00 and still only 2 hour 15 minutes driving since I started the shift.
Drive for 30 minutes = 2 hour 45 minutes driving and complete last drop then drive back to depot.
3 hour 15 minutes driving in total and itâs now 16:00
Break for 15 minutes then load up for next day.
OK, I have only driven for 3 hours and 15 minutes in total throughout the day so am I correct in saying that I do not have to worry about driving hour breaks, only WTD breaks ?
Kaistar:
So many conflicting chunks of info
Right, Iâm going to throw a completely fabricated scenario into the mix, could people simply comment if itâs legal or not because I personally have never needed to worry about being legal with driving hours and WTD. I work for a merchant and we start at 07:30, finish at 17:00 and have 1hr lunch break to be taken as and when we choose so we never really get into any dangerous territory with driving hours.
OK, here goesâŚ
Digital unit and ONLY driving time and break mode used, no POA.Tacho in at 07:30
Daily checks, adjustments to load etc.
Off for first drop, dropped and back in depot for 09:30 but only 30 mins driving time.
Loaded and off for 2nd drop at 12:00, arrive at 12:45 and offloaded for 13:00, move away from job and find suitable place to park at 13:15 and take 15 minutes break to comply with WTD.1 hour 30 mins driving time taken. and itâs now 13:30
Drive back to depot - 45 minutes = 2 hour 15 minutes driving time in total.
Itâs now 14:15
Load up for 3rd drop.
Itâs now 15:00 and still only 2 hour 15 minutes driving since I started the shift.Drive for 30 minutes = 2 hour 45 minutes driving and complete last drop then drive back to depot.
3 hour 15 minutes driving in total and itâs now 16:00
Break for 15 minutes then load up for next day.
Clock off at 17:00
OK, I have only driven for 3 hours and 15 minutes in total throughout the day so am I correct in saying that I do not have to worry about driving hour breaks, only WTD breaks ?
Correct, didnât accumulate 4.5 hours driving and had 2x15 minute breaks to meet the WTD requirement of 30 minutes total break for a shift with between 6 and 9 hours work. Itâs all good.
Kaistar:
So many conflicting chunks of info
Right, Iâm going to throw a completely fabricated scenario into the mix, could people simply comment if itâs legal or not because I personally have never needed to worry about being legal with driving hours and WTD. I work for a merchant and we start at 07:30, finish at 17:00 and have 1hr lunch break to be taken as and when we choose so we never really get into any dangerous territory with driving hours.
OK, here goesâŚ
Digital unit and ONLY driving time and break mode used, no POA.Tacho in at 07:30
Daily checks, adjustments to load etc.
Off for first drop, dropped and back in depot for 09:30 but only 30 mins driving time.
Loaded and off for 2nd drop at 12:00, arrive at 12:45 and offloaded for 13:00, move away from job and find suitable place to park at 13:15 and take 15 minutes break to comply with WTD.1 hour 30 mins driving time taken. and itâs now 13:30
Drive back to depot - 45 minutes = 2 hour 15 minutes driving time in total.
Itâs now 14:15
Load up for 3rd drop.
Itâs now 15:00 and still only 2 hour 15 minutes driving since I started the shift.Drive for 30 minutes = 2 hour 45 minutes driving and complete last drop then drive back to depot.
3 hour 15 minutes driving in total and itâs now 16:00
Break for 15 minutes then load up for next day.
Clock off at 17:00
OK, I have only driven for 3 hours and 15 minutes in total throughout the day so am I correct in saying that I do not have to worry about driving hour breaks, only WTD breaks ?
Youâre correct that as you havenât done 4Ă½ hours driving you donât need a driving break, youâve done a total spread-over of 9Ă½ hours which includes total breaks of 30 minutes, as you havenât exceeded 9 hours working time you only need 30 minutes of break which youâve had.
Looks legal to me
Coffeeholic:
Correct, didnât accumulate 4.5 hours driving and had 2x15 minute breaks to meet the WTD requirement of 30 minutes total break for a shift with between 6 and 9 hours work. Itâs all good.
tachograph:
Youâre correct that as you havenât done 4Ă½ hours driving you donât need a driving break, youâve done a total spread-over of 9Ă½ hours which includes total breaks of 30 minutes, as you havenât exceeded 9 hours working time you only need 30 minutes of break which youâve had.Looks legal to me
By jove, I think heâs got it!!!
Happy cockrockin days, I think I finally understand it
Cheers guys
mickrick:
Just seen this on vosa website
âWorking Time Directive for drivers - if on duty for 6 hours - this includes any P.O.A , other work ( deliveries etc ), waiting time etc, a 30 minute break must be taken whether or not you have driven for the 4.5 hours allowâ
So i was right !!!
You are lying/trolling/mistaken/a knob (delete as appropriate). That text doesnât come from any VOSA website, it comes from a 4 year old posting on uk.answers.yahoo.com, from a bloke called George whose quoted âauthorityâ for spouting said â â â â â â â â is that he has worked in transport for 25 years and has a VOSA DVD in his possession which he got from Truck & Driver magazineâŚ
mickrick:
Bangs head against wall.
I give up. I been having 30 min break at 6 hrs work
Never been advised its wrong from tacho firm who diwnloads card
same here i was advised to take 30 min at 6h rs and take another 30 afterwards when 4.5 hrs were up never had any problems yet
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mickrick:
Bangs head against wall.
I give up. I been having 30 min break at 6 hrs work
Never been advised its wrong from tacho firm who diwnloads card
The tacho firm will never advise you itâs wrong because of the simple fact that it isnât! All you are doing is taking more than the legally required minimum. Youâll not be advised itâs wrong to have twelve hours off on a night, 48 hours as a weekend break, or for having a one hour driving time break either.
Roymondo:
mickrick:
Just seen this on vosa website
âWorking Time Directive for drivers - if on duty for 6 hours - this includes any P.O.A , other work ( deliveries etc ), waiting time etc, a 30 minute break must be taken whether or not you have driven for the 4.5 hours allowâ
So i was right !!!You are lying/trolling/mistaken/a knob (delete as appropriate). That text doesnât come from any VOSA website, it comes from a 4 year old posting on uk.answers.yahoo.com, from a bloke called George whose quoted âauthorityâ for spouting said â â â â â â â â is that he has worked in transport for 25 years and has a VOSA DVD in his possession which he got from Truck & Driver magazineâŚ
Ok i take it back you where a detective !!!
Mike-C:
Ok i take it back you where a detective !!!
. In light of your previous comments Mike that really did make me snort!
In kind of begs the question Roymondo of how on earth do you happen to have that information? You either read it years ago and remembered it (thank God Iâm not married to you), or you deliberately searched for it? Either way, take a bow, you have the persistence of a Bloodhound Roymondo.,
Just ignore the WTD & stick to the driving regs & you be golden. Thatâs what I do anyway.
