Oh no unions on strike in North America to defend their terms and conditions.It must be an illusion it can’t be possible at least on planet BJD.
No unions obviously aren’t a waste of space it’s just that some are better than others in the case of some types of jobs not others.Maybe it’s a reflection of the difference between train drivers’ attitudes to defending their interests v truck drivers.
But the common factor is that no country ever improved it’s people’s living standards or provided economic growth by cutting wages and reducing terms and conditions.
So while I can sympathise with those CP train drivers that’s not the same thing as saying that those working in the road transport industry don’t need to look after their own interests too which aren’t always going to be the same as those working in the rail freight industry.
However it wouldn’t be the first time that the unions had been infiltrated by those with a hidden agenda.In the case of the example of the union which I posted it’s no surprise that the union,lefty do gooding green tossers and the big business rail freight interests seem to have been making union policy at the obvious expense of the interests of those working in the long haul sector of the road transport industry.Nothing new there then regardless of which side of the Atlantic it is.
Oh dear, it looks like one of your interesting evidencial links has gone ■■■■ up again:
“Union officials say it’s a hard life for their members, emphasizing that engineers and conductors work long stretches of time away from family and friends, and deserve more days off each month. Conductors, who averaged $85,000 in base wages in 2011, and engineers are both paid based on distanced travelled for work duties.”
$85000 in base wages? plus benefits and a gold plated pension. Seems like a better deal than truckers get and still they want more. Maybe some of our expat truckers could train as train drivers, eh.
Looks like the union does more for train drivers than it does for truckers.
Furthermore I have never said no unions ever strike in North America, just that they were a waste of space. You will have noted from your evidence that the union is seeking unaffordable pensions and benefits for their members. So when the train company has to get rid of some employees because they have become too expensive, what do you think should happen to those ex-employees and who should pay for it? Maybe the truckers could offer to do the work for say $75000 and undercut the trains? Of course they would need 2 miles of trailers and have to carry double stacked boxes.
Big Jon’s dad:
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Curryfart’s information is based on Google. He makes out he knows everything and is the only poster i know that keep a topic going with his repeated post’s
Yeah I know. That is what makes it fun because I’m sure he doesn’t actually read a lot of the crap he Googles. He sees something he thinks supports him but when you look a bit deeper, it usually doesn’t. He just digs himself in deeper. So he tries to wriggle and twist the evidence he provided and if that doesn’t work he’ll claim it was just to show there are other idiots around besides himself.
Gotta give him credit though, he doesn’t give up just because he is wrong.
Wrong as in there’s never been a strike or unions in North America and the place never had statospheric rates of economic growth because of those union’s actions in getting pay rates through the roof compared to anywhere else in the world.While they’ve never imported goods or exported jobs to take advantage of cheap labour in other countries where the workforce has to put up with your ideas you mean.
Big Jon’s dad:
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Curryfart’s information is based on Google. He makes out he knows everything and is the only poster i know that keep a topic going with his repeated post’s
Yeah I know. That is what makes it fun because I’m sure he doesn’t actually read a lot of the crap he Googles. He sees something he thinks supports him but when you look a bit deeper, it usually doesn’t. He just digs himself in deeper. So he tries to wriggle and twist the evidence he provided and if that doesn’t work he’ll claim it was just to show there are other idiots around besides himself.
Gotta give him credit though, he doesn’t give up just because he is wrong.
Wrong as in there’s never been a strike or unions in North America and the place never had statospheric rates of economic growth because of those union’s actions in getting pay rates through the roof compared to anywhere else in the world.While they’ve never imported goods or exported jobs to take advantage of cheap labour in other countries where the workforce has to put up with your ideas you mean.
Oh no unions on strike in North America to defend their terms and conditions.It must be an illusion it can’t be possible at least on planet BJD.
No unions obviously aren’t a waste of space it’s just that some are better than others in the case of some types of jobs not others.Maybe it’s a reflection of the difference between train drivers’ attitudes to defending their interests v truck drivers.
But the common factor is that no country ever improved it’s people’s living standards or provided economic growth by cutting wages and reducing terms and conditions.
So while I can sympathise with those CP train drivers that’s not the same thing as saying that those working in the road transport industry don’t need to look after their own interests too which aren’t always going to be the same as those working in the rail freight industry.
However it wouldn’t be the first time that the unions had been infiltrated by those with a hidden agenda.In the case of the example of the union which I posted it’s no surprise that the union,lefty do gooding green tossers and the big business rail freight interests seem to have been making union policy at the obvious expense of the interests of those working in the long haul sector of the road transport industry.Nothing new there then regardless of which side of the Atlantic it is.
Oh dear, it looks like one of your interesting evidencial links has gone ■■■■ up again:
“Union officials say it’s a hard life for their members, emphasizing that engineers and conductors work long stretches of time away from family and friends, and deserve more days off each month. Conductors, who averaged $85,000 in base wages in 2011, and engineers are both paid based on distanced travelled for work duties.”
$85000 in base wages? plus benefits and a gold plated pension. Seems like a better deal than truckers get and still they want more. Maybe some of our expat truckers could train as train drivers, eh.
Looks like the union does more for train drivers than it does for truckers.
Furthermore I have never said no unions ever strike in North America, just that they were a waste of space. You will have noted from your evidence that the union is seeking unaffordable pensions and benefits for their members. So when the train company has to get rid of some employees because they have become too expensive, what do you think should happen to those ex-employees and who should pay for it? Maybe the truckers could offer to do the work for say $75000 and undercut the trains?
It would be interesting to find out just how much time away from home the job actually involves compared to truck drivers.While on the subject of pensions it’s ironic how governments seem to be all for wanting people to save for pensions to support themselves in their old age while not then wanting to pay for it in wages. As they say there’s no such thing as free lunch.However ‘undercutting’ in this case,in the sense of Canadian or British truck drivers v Canadian train drivers ( probably no chance of any Brits let alone Indians etc getting jobs there as train drivers of course ),isn’t exactly the same thing as Canadian train drivers being undercut by Indian etc truck drivers.No surprise that it’s the Thatcherite and Reaganite view which you’d agree with in going for an all out race to the bottom.
Big Jon’s dad:
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Curryfart’s information is based on Google. He makes out he knows everything and is the only poster i know that keep a topic going with his repeated post’s
Yeah I know. That is what makes it fun because I’m sure he doesn’t actually read a lot of the crap he Googles. He sees something he thinks supports him but when you look a bit deeper, it usually doesn’t. He just digs himself in deeper. So he tries to wriggle and twist the evidence he provided and if that doesn’t work he’ll claim it was just to show there are other idiots around besides himself.
Gotta give him credit though, he doesn’t give up just because he is wrong.
Wrong as in there’s never been a strike or unions in North America and the place never had statospheric rates of economic growth because of those union’s actions in getting pay rates through the roof compared to anywhere else in the world.While they’ve never imported goods or exported jobs to take advantage of cheap labour in other countries where the workforce has to put up with your ideas you mean.
O CF a lot of drivers (myself included) dont want to team or double man as you put it and IF you have done it I doubt you would want to either. When doing team work the truck is on the got 24 hrs a day and you get paid for what work the truck does not each mile that YOU would drive
taffytrucker:
O CF a lot of drivers (myself included) dont want to team or double man as you put it and IF you have done it I doubt you would want to either. When doing team work the truck is on the got 24 hrs a day and you get paid for what work the truck does not each mile that YOU would drive
I’m not talking about double manning it’s the employers who are looking into that as,they say,a way to solve the issues of drivers not getting home enough.
I’m saying if they want to employ two drivers and if the issue is all about drivers spending too long away then use them to run on a rota like 2,3 or 4 weeks on 2,3 or 4 weeks off for example just like 4 days on 4 days off rotas on local work in some places here.Nothing to do with double manned running which wouldn’t solve the problem anyway.
I’d guess we would all like more time off but I don’t see how there’s enough money in the job to let the driver have these amounts of time off and still earn a live able wage.
It’s hard to know what’s best but a lot of it is just down to the fact not enough people see lorry driving especaly long distance as a job they want to do. Now days where travel is a lot cheaper and easier a lot of youngsters will take a year out and go traveling wheras in the past long distance could be a path to traveling and getting paid.
kr79:
On distance work you need to be getting around 1200 miles a month to make a decent wage.
I earn around the same doing that as what I was getting in the UK for Monday to Friday and half day every other Saturday morning and home every night.
Cost of living I’d say averages out as housing and fuel are cheaper in Canada but food and clothes etc are dearer. Although with crossing the border we can save a bit on this.
It’s not about been rich as face it your not going to be a millionaire driving a lorry.
You can have a decent life for your family in Canada and a bigger better house than you would in the UK especaly if you stay out of the big city’s. But you will work a ■■■■ site harder to do it than you did in Europe.
I’ve not got a problem with that as I always chased a pound note in the UK.
No where’s perfect some things I rather about Canada some things about England and at the end of the day I don’t think il ever think of Canada as home.
It does annoy me when people slag off the UK as yes it has problems but everywhere does but I had a good living there and I know if it all went wrong here I could pick up and do the same in the morning.
Spot on ? no way matey Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .
flat to the mat:
Spot on ? no way matey Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .
That is how I remember Canada from my time growing up. Canada will always be where I think of as home. My sons, having heard me talk about Canada while they were growing up, all moved to Canada themselves when they were old enough and things here were sliding downhill. I always said that if things went bad in England I would go back to Canada. I was born in the UK, emigrated at age 3 and returned aged 13, so although I only lived there for 10 years, I still think of myself as more Canadian than British. I’m proud to be Canadian, I’m not nearly so proud to be British even though I’ve been living in Britain since 1967. My sons all say they have no intention of ever moving back to England and want me to move back to Canada too. I probably will when my retirement beckons but at the moment I live in a reasonably nice area with little social problems and I’m earning more here than I could in Canada simply because the population density in Canada is too low for my business to be viable there and they don’t have the same H & S culture which helps me get work here.
Carryfast:
I’m talking about the unionised loads of work and money Detroit etc of the 1950’s/60’s not the post Reagan global free market zb up wasteland.
flat to the mat:
Spot on ? no way matey Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .
We are all entitled to our opinions and I know what your saying steinbach may be a tad boring but a good place to raise a family. I think you can see the problems facing Britain here in places like Winnipeg but on a smaller scale.
But I can’t knock Britain I had a decent enough life style over there but just wanted to try something new.
flat to the mat:
Spot on ? no way matey Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .
We are all entitled to our opinions and I know what your saying steinbach may be a tad boring but a good place to raise a family. I think you can see the problems facing Britain here in places like Winnipeg but on a smaller scale.
But I can’t knock Britain I had a decent enough life style over there but just wanted to try something new.
Big Jon’s dad:
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Curryfart’s information is based on Google. He makes out he knows everything and is the only poster i know that keep a topic going with his repeated post’s
Yeah I know. That is what makes it fun because I’m sure he doesn’t actually read a lot of the crap he Googles. He sees something he thinks supports him but when you look a bit deeper, it usually doesn’t. He just digs himself in deeper. So he tries to wriggle and twist the evidence he provided and if that doesn’t work he’ll claim it was just to show there are other idiots around besides himself.
Gotta give him credit though, he doesn’t give up just because he is wrong.
Wrong as in there’s never been a strike or unions in North America and the place never had statospheric rates of economic growth because of those union’s actions in getting pay rates through the roof compared to anywhere else in the world.While they’ve never imported goods or exported jobs to take advantage of cheap labour in other countries where the workforce has to put up with your ideas you mean.
Curryfart. Do you read the quotes you quoted in your post? nothing that relates to your reply
taffytrucker:
O CF a lot of drivers (myself included) dont want to team or double man as you put it and IF you have done it I doubt you would want to either. When doing team work the truck is on the got 24 hrs a day and you get paid for what work the truck does not each mile that YOU would drive
I’m not talking about double manning it’s the employers who are looking into that as,they say,a way to solve the issues of drivers not getting home enough.
I’m saying if they want to employ two drivers and if the issue is all about drivers spending too long away then use them to run on a rota like 2,3 or 4 weeks on 2,3 or 4 weeks off for example just like 4 days on 4 days off rotas on local work in some places here.Nothing to do with double manned running which wouldn’t solve the problem anyway.
lmaoo you really havent a clue have you!! no that wasnt a question that was a statement!!! dont you think if drivers could afford to do that then we would!!! o and dont bother start to spout on about doubling the pay etc it will not work think about it before you type…
flat to the mat:
Spot on ? no way matey Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .
Can say the same over here. Its nice to go down the street and people you dont know say good morning or go in a bar and they ask how your day was and they actually mean it and look you in the eye when having a chat
flat to the mat:
Spot on ? no way matey Haven’t locked the house since the day we moved in Sept 2006 , never lock our vehicles , people look you in the face and say good morning whilst holding open the door , no anti social behavior around here , kids come out of school and are bright happy and pleasant company , the media are positive , success is celebrated rather than mocked or frowned upon ,there are seldom any traffic issues other than weather related , oh and you can walk around downtown on the weekends without being spewed on or having to slap a chav .
I could go on in Carryfast style but am quite content to call Canada home ,the thought of tolerating life in PC ridden Britain with all it’s negativity even before the next influx from Eastern Europe would fill me with horror . This place isn’t Utopia but in comparison I know where I’d rather live and that’ll be in a free world .Yeap this is home now .
That is how I remember Canada from my time growing up. Canada will always be where I think of as home. My sons, having heard me talk about Canada while they were growing up, all moved to Canada themselves when they were old enough and things here were sliding downhill. I always said that if things went bad in England I would go back to Canada. I was born in the UK, emigrated at age 3 and returned aged 13, so although I only lived there for 10 years, I still think of myself as more Canadian than British. I’m proud to be Canadian, I’m not nearly so proud to be British even though I’ve been living in Britain since 1967. My sons all say they have no intention of ever moving back to England and want me to move back to Canada too. I probably will when my retirement beckons but at the moment I live in a reasonably nice area with little social problems and I’m earning more here than I could in Canada simply because the population density in Canada is too low for my business to be viable there and they don’t have the same H & S culture which helps me get work here.
There’s obviously no room in your ideas then for any view which would say that the place is just an extension of Britain in which the only reason to regard one as ‘home’ and one not,would be in the same way as I’d view Surrey as home compared to anywhere else in Britain.Somehow I think your view goes against everything that Canada’s British colonial founders intended for it and is an insult to those British troops who died fighting with the French etc to make the place what it was and became over the years.I think they’d now be turning in their graves to see such a load of seperatist anti British bs being put out by those who regard the place as a totally seperate entitity with entry there now being based on some abitrary elitist ideas of those like yourself.All of which I might have expected and understood from a French Canadian colonist but not a British one.
taffytrucker:
O CF a lot of drivers (myself included) dont want to team or double man as you put it and IF you have done it I doubt you would want to either. When doing team work the truck is on the got 24 hrs a day and you get paid for what work the truck does not each mile that YOU would drive
I’m not talking about double manning it’s the employers who are looking into that as,they say,a way to solve the issues of drivers not getting home enough.
I’m saying if they want to employ two drivers and if the issue is all about drivers spending too long away then use them to run on a rota like 2,3 or 4 weeks on 2,3 or 4 weeks off for example just like 4 days on 4 days off rotas on local work in some places here.Nothing to do with double manned running which wouldn’t solve the problem anyway.
lmaoo you really havent a clue have you!! no that wasnt a question that was a statement!!! dont you think if drivers could afford to do that then we would!!! o and dont bother start to spout on about doubling the pay etc it will not work think about it before you type…
It wasn’t me who ‘spouted’ anything about doubling mileage based wage rates it’s actually one of the options that I’ve seen put out by the North American trucking industry itself as a way of making the the long haul sector more attractive to prospective drivers.Maybe you should read what I’ve written before bothering to type a so called ‘answer’.
