taffytrucker:
havent gone through all of CF’s dribble but seen words and phrases such as ‘cheap labour’ discrimination. Let me tell you now I havent witnessed either of them. Talking to some yanks and they are on 2 cents a mile less then me and I get paid the same as if a local driver was to do my job so how’d you figure that out?? Before you answer that CF think about your answer as far as I’m aware it is law they have to pay us the same. As for discrimination I really dont know where you get that from because the simple fact that say a Russian or a chech or ■■■■■ or Spanish have to go through the same process as I do
I didn’t say that they get paid less than Brits or anyone else.Just as here what I said was that they’ve opened their labour market up to workers from relatively poor countries where the workers have lower ‘expectations’ of terms and conditions than Canadian and British workers would have.Which holds down those terms and conditions compared to what they would probably be with a closed labour market which is only open to Canadian and British labour supply.Hence there are Brits and Canadians who are moaning about too long spent away from home on the road and low mileage rates which don’t compensate for time spent waiting etc.
As for discrimination I’m actually referring to a time when truck driving jobs were not open to British drivers at all in Canada on the basis that they were only ( supposedly ) reserved for Canadians,even if a Brit had an offer of work over there,as in my case.
The same situation actually still applies at least in the USA.However there is evidence to suggest that while that rule was/is being applied in the case of British drivers it wasn’t/isn’t applied in the case of other foreign immigrant drivers from those poorer countries where drivers obviously had/have those lower expectations regarding terms and conditions than local drivers and/or Brits.Which at least robinhood seems to agree is an accurate view of the situation.
While even at best as things stand now it’s still wrong that Brits can’t just walk into,what is effectively just a British colony,on the basis of an open door immigration policy,but instead have the same rules applied to them as foreign nationals with no historic affinity with Canada.Considering that Canada is an ethnic British country whatever BJD and others like kr would like to think.
While it seems obvious that the Canadian immigration system,since at least the 1970’s, has been nothing more than a system based on quotas to make sure that it’s labour supply isn’t just made up of Canadian and/or British workers with higher expectations,in regards to terms and conditions,than others from poorer countries.
Then to add insult to injury they try to dress that up on some bs case of ‘ethnic diversity’ and socially engineered ‘multiculturalism’.While calling anyone who sees through the whole thing a racist.Just like here in the home country and in the other colonies like Australia and in the States.
I actually said it’s historically ‘been a colony’ which is why the place exists in it’s current form and as part of that it’s an ‘ethnically British country’ even if no longer technically a colony.
Which ( should ) mean that Brits get preferential treatment in regards to the place having an open door immigration policy without restrictions towards British nationals just as was the case when the place was founded which,as I’ve said,is why it exists at all.However as you’ve said previously the later generations of Canadians don’t see themselves as British or having any affinity with Britain whatsoever and have decided to turn the place into a united nations of different ethnic groups instead.
Although it’s my view that they’ve been indoctrinated into that by years of pc bs in order to allow the employers to get access to cheap labour with lower expectations from poorer countries instead of opening their labour market to Brits without restrictions.Just as is the case with the USA.
From a North American perspective, where working hard is part of the pioneer outlook on life, the idea of bringing in a load of workshy layabouts from the old world who are more interested in their entitlements than they are bothered about contributing to the economic wellbeing of the country isn’t high on their list of desirable things to do. Better the lazy sods stay home, because they aren’t wanted in North America. The idea of having equal time off at home to working time away from home for the same pay as working away for three weeks and then having 2 or 3 days at home before going back out to work is one such crazy idea. 5 weeks paid holiday is unheard of in Canada. 2 weeks is norrmal. Any more is unpaid leave. Sure they could adopt those ideas in Canada but the price of everything would rise to pay for it which would mean everyone who could would demand a pay rise, so prices would go up again, so everyone would demand a pay rise again and so on.
Welcome to Carryfasts world. Na, better not, they’d never go for it.
The original British, French and Spanish settlers who founded both Canada and the USA had the get up and go, and the risk taking outlook on life, to get on a ship and sail off to find a new life on a strange continent. The people who stayed home were the less adventurous ones. I beleive those traits have been passed down through the generations. Hence here in Britain (and maybe in France and Spain too, I don’t know for sure) we have lots of moaning layabouts who expect other people to look after them. In North America most people are much more self sufficient and maybe a little nutty if they live in the star spangled bit.
Big Jon’s dad:
From a North American perspective, where working hard is part of the pioneer outlook on life, the idea of bringing in a load of workshy layabouts from the old world who are more interested in their entitlements than they are bothered about contributing to the economic wellbeing of the country isn’t high on their list of desirable things to do. Better the lazy sods stay home, because they aren’t wanted in North America. The idea of having equal time off at home to working time away from home for the same pay as working away for three weeks and then having 2 or 3 days at home before going back out to work is one such crazy idea. 5 weeks paid holiday is unheard of in Canada. 2 weeks is norrmal. Any more is unpaid leave. Sure they could adopt those ideas in Canada but the price of everything would rise to pay for it which would mean everyone who could would demand a pay rise, so prices would go up again, so everyone would demand a pay rise again and so on.
Welcome to Carryfasts world. Na, better not, they’d never go for it.
The original British, French and Spanish settlers who founded both Canada and the USA had the get up and go, and the risk taking outlook on life, to get on a ship and sail off to find a new life on a strange continent. The people who stayed home were the less adventurous ones. I beleive those traits have been passed down through the generations. Hence here in Britain (and maybe in France and Spain too, I don’t know for sure) we have lots of moaning layabouts who expect other people to look after them. In North America most people are much more self sufficient and maybe a little nutty if they live in the star spangled bit.
Blimey.My version of history tells me that North American trade unions have had to fight a lot harder than British ones over the years to turn the place into a better economy than zb holes like India or China.It’s just a shame that too many of them there now are accepting your version of history in that the race to the bottom is the way to go.So yeah right they’re making a nice hell for themselves in producing that situation which you seem to like of 3 weeks on the road and 2 days off and 2 weeks holiday a year. No wonder the place seems so attractive to Indians.
I’m sure they’ll have no problem filling all those vacancies if they just put an advert in the Punjab and Philipino newspapers.In which case you might be able to decrease those terms to 6 weeks away and 1 day at home and 1 week paid holiday per year being optional depending on employer choice.
But as for North America being all about your idea of a Thatcherite and Reaganite hell.Not just yet but it’s getting there not helped by the bs swallowing of all the ‘ethnic diversity’,workers of the world unite,imported third world labour bs, instead of keeping it British.
By the way where’s the big difference between 3 weeks on 3 weeks off shift rotas on tramping/long haul work compared to 4 days on 4 days off for local .
Carryfast:
Blimey.My version of history tells me that North American trade unions have had to fight a lot harder than British ones over the years to turn the place into a better economy than zb holes like India or China.It’s just a shame that too many of them there now are accepting your version of history in that the race to the bottom is the way to go.So yeah right they’re making a nice hell for themselves in producing that situation which you seem to like of 3 weeks on the road and 2 days off and 2 weeks holiday a year. No wonder the place seems so attractive to Indians.
I’m sure they’ll have no problem filling all those vacancies if they just put an advert in the Punjab and Philipino newspapers.In which case you might be able to decrease those terms to 6 weeks away and 1 day at home and 1 week paid holiday per year being optional depending on employer choice.
But as for North America being all about your idea of a Thatcherite and Reaganite hell.Not just yet but it’s getting there not helped by the bs swallowing of all the ‘ethnic diversity’,workers of the world unite,imported third world labour bs, instead of keeping it British.
By the way where’s the big difference between 3 weeks on 3 weeks off shift rotas on tramping/long haul work compared to 4 days on 4 days off for local .
Dunno, does anyone do 4 on 4 off shifts in Canada? 5 on 2 off seems to be normal for local drivers with occasional o/t on Saturdays. Could drivers make a living with such reduced working time?
Only if they got paid more, I guess. Can you guess what will happen if transport costs go up?
See what I mean about people being more worried about their entitlements rather than knuckling down to some hard work? Hard work is what made Canada into one of the most stable economies in the world. Britain on the other hand has loads of people sponging off the backs of those of us that do still work. Look where that has got us. Up ■■■■ creek.
Deregulation has meant that there are increasing numbers of ever more heavy trucks hauling freight on our highways, yet our members in the trucking industry still have trouble making a living. We need re-regulation of the trucking industry. We need to commit to increased rail freight transportation. We need intermodal systems so that freight travels most of its way by rail or by water, with local delivery being made by trucks. Rail transportation reduces road congestion and is much more fuel efficient than trucks.
Another one of Carryfast’s supporting links crashes and burns…
On distance work you need to be getting around 1200 miles a month to make a decent wage.
I earn around the same doing that as what I was getting in the UK for Monday to Friday and half day every other Saturday morning and home every night.
Cost of living I’d say averages out as housing and fuel are cheaper in Canada but food and clothes etc are dearer. Although with crossing the border we can save a bit on this.
It’s not about been rich as face it your not going to be a millionaire driving a lorry.
You can have a decent life for your family in Canada and a bigger better house than you would in the UK especaly if you stay out of the big city’s. But you will work a ■■■■ site harder to do it than you did in Europe.
I’ve not got a problem with that as I always chased a pound note in the UK.
No where’s perfect some things I rather about Canada some things about England and at the end of the day I don’t think il ever think of Canada as home.
It does annoy me when people slag off the UK as yes it has problems but everywhere does but I had a good living there and I know if it all went wrong here I could pick up and do the same in the morning.
Carryfast:
Blimey.My version of history tells me that North American trade unions have had to fight a lot harder than British ones over the years to turn the place into a better economy than zb holes like India or China.It’s just a shame that too many of them there now are accepting your version of history in that the race to the bottom is the way to go.So yeah right they’re making a nice hell for themselves in producing that situation which you seem to like of 3 weeks on the road and 2 days off and 2 weeks holiday a year. No wonder the place seems so attractive to Indians.
I’m sure they’ll have no problem filling all those vacancies if they just put an advert in the Punjab and Philipino newspapers.In which case you might be able to decrease those terms to 6 weeks away and 1 day at home and 1 week paid holiday per year being optional depending on employer choice.
But as for North America being all about your idea of a Thatcherite and Reaganite hell.Not just yet but it’s getting there not helped by the bs swallowing of all the ‘ethnic diversity’,workers of the world unite,imported third world labour bs, instead of keeping it British.
By the way where’s the big difference between 3 weeks on 3 weeks off shift rotas on tramping/long haul work compared to 4 days on 4 days off for local .
Dunno, does anyone do 4 on 4 off shifts in Canada? 5 on 2 off seems to be normal for local drivers with occasional o/t on Saturdays. Could drivers make a living with such reduced working time?
Only if they got paid more, I guess. Can you guess what will happen if transport costs go up?
See what I mean about people being more worried about their entitlements rather than knuckling down to some hard work? Hard work is what made Canada into one of the most stable economies in the world. Britain on the other hand has loads of people sponging off the backs of those of us that do still work. Look where that has got us. Up [zb] creek.
Deregulation has meant that there are increasing numbers of ever more heavy trucks hauling freight on our highways, yet our members in the trucking industry still have trouble making a living. We need re-regulation of the trucking industry. We need to commit to increased rail freight transportation. We need intermodal systems so that freight travels most of its way by rail or by water, with local delivery being made by trucks. Rail transportation reduces road congestion and is much more fuel efficient than trucks.
Another one of Carryfast’s supporting links crashes and burns…
Not really.I didn’t say that the unions aren’t full of idiots at the top who don’t have a clue just as is the case here.While just because I support the general idea of unionisation having been what built the developed western countries and their economies that doesn’t mean that I’m stupid enough not to recognise their weaknesses.Such as the inherent contradiction of a union that is supposed to be looking after the interests of both train drivers and long haul truck drivers.When the fact is the two industries need to be competing at each other’s throats.So in that regard my so called ‘supporting’ link not only supports my general ideas,regarding unions,but it also supports my ideas regarding ( rightly ) making sure that road and rail should be able to compete with each other on equal terms.In which case the idea of both working in co operation with each other is just bs and it’s a conflict of interest to have any union representing the interests of workers in both industries because those interests are opposite to each other.
However,like here,what that link does show is that people are too easily led and can’t think for themselves and that obviously applies in all the English speaking countries.In which case it’s just a case of trucking unions finding someone who’s bright enough to get that bs policy,related to the support for cooperation with the rail freight industry,changed and overturned.While still recognising that the general idea of unions improving wage growth and terms and conditions for workers and therefore the economy in general still applies.
However there’s no way that the road transport industry can compete with rail freight if it’s workforce is working under zb terms and conditions such as 3 weeks away and 2 days off at home and 2 weeks holiday per year and the resulting issues related to driver retention,considering that you can bet the average train driver isn’t working to those conditions.No surprise though that the Canadian unions,just like their British couterparts,don’t seem to be bright enough to look after their members interests either in the case of imported cheap labour or the issue of the interests of long haul truck drivers v those of train drivers.
kr79:
On distance work you need to be getting around 1200 miles a month to make a decent wage.
Blimey I think you’ve made a typo there kr .I was doing 2,000 miles per week on uk trunking.You should easily get at least that done under North American regs.‘If’ the work is there.
kr79:
On distance work you need to be getting around 1200 miles a month to make a decent wage.
Blimey I think you’ve made a typo there kr .I was doing 2,000 miles per week on uk trunking.You should easily get at least that done under North American regs.‘If’ the work is there.
they work is there in a plenty and yes was a typo he meant to say 12000 miles
Carryfast:
Not really.I didn’t say that the unions aren’t full of idiots at the top who don’t have a clue just as is the case here.While just because I support the general idea of unionisation having been what built the developed western countries and their economies that doesn’t mean that I’m stupid enough not to recognise their weaknesses.Such as the inherent contradiction of a union that is supposed to be looking after the interests of both train drivers and long haul truck drivers.When the fact is the two industries need to be competing at each other’s throats.So in that regard my so called ‘supporting’ link not only supports my general ideas,regarding unions,but it also supports my ideas regarding ( rightly ) making sure that road and rail should be able to compete with each other on equal terms.In which case the idea of both working in co operation with each other is just bs and it’s a conflict of interest to have any union representing the interests of workers in both industries because those interests are opposite to each other.
However,like here,what that link does show is that people are too easily led and can’t think for themselves and that obviously applies in all the English speaking countries.In which case it’s just a case of trucking unions finding someone who’s bright enough to get that bs policy,related to the support for cooperation with the rail freight industry,changed and overturned.While still recognising that the general idea of unions improving wage growth and terms and conditions for workers and therefore the economy in general still applies.
However there’s no way that the road transport industry can compete with rail freight if it’s workforce is working under zb terms and conditions such as 3 weeks away and 2 days off at home and 2 weeks holiday per year and the resulting issues related to driver retention,considering that you can bet the average train driver isn’t working to those conditions.No surprise though that the Canadian unions,just like their British couterparts,don’t seem to be bright enough to look after their members interests either in the case of imported cheap labour or the issue of the interests of long haul truck drivers v those of train drivers.
So the short version is that unions are a waste of space and generally ■■■■ in Canada as well as in the UK. You chose that union as your supporting evidence so you can’t backpedal now you’ve been shown to have backed the wrong horse; again.
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
The reason the same union represents both truck drivers and train drivers is so they can milk both groups for subs. How else would the union officials get their large salaries and perks if they hadn’t got a bunch of mugs paying in every payday. Sheesh, I thought everyone knew this.
kr79:
On distance work you need to be getting around 1200 miles a month to make a decent wage.
Blimey I think you’ve made a typo there kr .I was doing 2,000 miles per week on uk trunking.You should easily get at least that done under North American regs.‘If’ the work is there.
Carryfast:
Not really.I didn’t say that the unions aren’t full of idiots at the top who don’t have a clue just as is the case here.While just because I support the general idea of unionisation having been what built the developed western countries and their economies that doesn’t mean that I’m stupid enough not to recognise their weaknesses.Such as the inherent contradiction of a union that is supposed to be looking after the interests of both train drivers and long haul truck drivers.When the fact is the two industries need to be competing at each other’s throats.So in that regard my so called ‘supporting’ link not only supports my general ideas,regarding unions,but it also supports my ideas regarding ( rightly ) making sure that road and rail should be able to compete with each other on equal terms.In which case the idea of both working in co operation with each other is just bs and it’s a conflict of interest to have any union representing the interests of workers in both industries because those interests are opposite to each other.
However,like here,what that link does show is that people are too easily led and can’t think for themselves and that obviously applies in all the English speaking countries.In which case it’s just a case of trucking unions finding someone who’s bright enough to get that bs policy,related to the support for cooperation with the rail freight industry,changed and overturned.While still recognising that the general idea of unions improving wage growth and terms and conditions for workers and therefore the economy in general still applies.
However there’s no way that the road transport industry can compete with rail freight if it’s workforce is working under zb terms and conditions such as 3 weeks away and 2 days off at home and 2 weeks holiday per year and the resulting issues related to driver retention,considering that you can bet the average train driver isn’t working to those conditions.No surprise though that the Canadian unions,just like their British couterparts,don’t seem to be bright enough to look after their members interests either in the case of imported cheap labour or the issue of the interests of long haul truck drivers v those of train drivers.
So the short version is that unions are a waste of space and generally [zb] in Canada as well as in the UK. You chose that union as your supporting evidence so you can’t backpedal now you’ve been shown to have backed the wrong horse; again.
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Oh no unions on strike in North America to defend their terms and conditions.It must be an illusion it can’t be possible at least on planet BJD.
No unions obviously aren’t a waste of space it’s just that some are better than others in the case of some types of jobs not others.Maybe it’s a reflection of the difference between train drivers’ attitudes to defending their interests v truck drivers.
But the common factor is that no country ever improved it’s people’s living standards or provided economic growth by cutting wages and reducing terms and conditions.
So while I can sympathise with those CP train drivers that’s not the same thing as saying that those working in the road transport industry don’t need to look after their own interests too which aren’t always going to be the same as those working in the rail freight industry.
However it wouldn’t be the first time that the unions had been infiltrated by those with a hidden agenda.In the case of the example of the union which I posted it’s no surprise that the union,lefty do gooding green tossers and the big business rail freight interests seem to have been making union policy at the obvious expense of the interests of those working in the long haul sector of the road transport industry.Nothing new there then regardless of which side of the Atlantic it is.
Carryfast:
Not really.I didn’t say that the unions aren’t full of idiots at the top who don’t have a clue just as is the case here.While just because I support the general idea of unionisation having been what built the developed western countries and their economies that doesn’t mean that I’m stupid enough not to recognise their weaknesses.Such as the inherent contradiction of a union that is supposed to be looking after the interests of both train drivers and long haul truck drivers.When the fact is the two industries need to be competing at each other’s throats.So in that regard my so called ‘supporting’ link not only supports my general ideas,regarding unions,but it also supports my ideas regarding ( rightly ) making sure that road and rail should be able to compete with each other on equal terms.In which case the idea of both working in co operation with each other is just bs and it’s a conflict of interest to have any union representing the interests of workers in both industries because those interests are opposite to each other.
However,like here,what that link does show is that people are too easily led and can’t think for themselves and that obviously applies in all the English speaking countries.In which case it’s just a case of trucking unions finding someone who’s bright enough to get that bs policy,related to the support for cooperation with the rail freight industry,changed and overturned.While still recognising that the general idea of unions improving wage growth and terms and conditions for workers and therefore the economy in general still applies.
However there’s no way that the road transport industry can compete with rail freight if it’s workforce is working under zb terms and conditions such as 3 weeks away and 2 days off at home and 2 weeks holiday per year and the resulting issues related to driver retention,considering that you can bet the average train driver isn’t working to those conditions.No surprise though that the Canadian unions,just like their British couterparts,don’t seem to be bright enough to look after their members interests either in the case of imported cheap labour or the issue of the interests of long haul truck drivers v those of train drivers.
So the short version is that unions are a waste of space and generally [zb] in Canada as well as in the UK. You chose that union as your supporting evidence so you can’t backpedal now you’ve been shown to have backed the wrong horse; again.
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Curryfart’s information is based on Google. He makes out he knows everything and is the only poster i know that keep a topic going with his repeated post’s
Carryfast:
torn by inter ethnic strife.Just like the home country.
There isn’t any inter ethnic strife in my area. Maybe you live too close to the big city. Have you thought about emigrating?
Luckily I live in what’s left of Surrey not Croydon or Bradford .Although I was talking about a time in the future when I won’t care anymore anyway because I’ll no longer be here to bother about it.
Big Jon’s dad:
How much holiday does a train driver get in Canada, what is his shift pattern and pay rate Mr. Fountof(zb)allknowledge?
Curryfart’s information is based on Google. He makes out he knows everything and is the only poster i know that keep a topic going with his repeated post’s
Yeah I know. That is what makes it fun because I’m sure he doesn’t actually read a lot of the crap he Googles. He sees something he thinks supports him but when you look a bit deeper, it usually doesn’t. He just digs himself in deeper. So he tries to wriggle and twist the evidence he provided and if that doesn’t work he’ll claim it was just to show there are other idiots around besides himself.
Gotta give him credit though, he doesn’t give up just because he is wrong.
Carryfast:
torn by inter ethnic strife.Just like the home country.
There isn’t any inter ethnic strife in my area. Maybe you live too close to the big city. Have you thought about emigrating?
Luckily I live in what’s left of Surrey not Croydon or Bradford .Although I was talking about a time in the future when I won’t care anymore anyway because I’ll no longer be here to bother about it.
kr79:
On distance work you need to be getting around 1200 miles a month to make a decent wage.
Blimey I think you’ve made a typo there kr .I was doing 2,000 miles per week on uk trunking.You should easily get at least that done under North American regs.‘If’ the work is there.
they work is there in a plenty and yes was a typo he meant to say 12000 miles
So roughly 3,000 miles per week.On my job paid by the hour I was getting 17p per mile around 13 years ago and class 1 rates of pay aren’t much different to that here now in many cases.I’m betting that you could earn a lot more in real terms,than I was earning per week,over there doing just the 8,000 miles per month that I was doing let alone 9,000 spread over 3 weeks.Bearing in mind that the North American trucking industry is talking about possibly almost doubling pay rates or using double manning to try to fix the issue of drivers not spending enough time at home. Whereas a rota using two drivers under those conditions seems the logical answer to me because higher pay or double manning trucks isn’t going to make much difference to that issue.It probably all depends on the drivers’ expectations of a ‘decent wage’ and how much potential that the operators have in getting the required rates.Although it seems that the most important thing demand is there.
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