romik:
Can these bags be double stacked and if YES, then what would be the right way to secure?
Of course they can! You triple stack them, hell quadruple stack them if you want.
Whether or not it is safe to depends entirely on the bags contents, and overall height and stability. Even then they need careful stacking otherwise they are going over, strapped or not.
Ratchet strap over the top is a winner. Although I’m sure carryslowly will be along to tell you to net/sheet it and secure with ropes… In this case he could be right though
romik:
Can these bags be double stacked and if YES, then what would be the right way to secure?
According to a friend of mine who works for DVSA, with a board across the top of them and then the strap over that, otherwise the contents will settle and before you’ve gone five miles up the road the straps will be as slack as your grandma’s fanny.
I’ve tried it with double-stacked half-ton bags of animal feed and they’re a royal PITA because they still settle and the straps still go loose even with the board; well actually I used an empty pallet. Another suggestion I received was to shrinkwrap the two bags, yeah, right, like that’ll work. Thankfully we don’t do very many now as a new bagging plant has made them uneconomical to produce, plus they take up too much floor space in the warehouse; and I can’t say I’m sorry to see the back of them.
Put the ratchet strap AROUND them chaps not over the top.
Do it around 4 of them at a time and you may have to “double-up” the straps if not long enough.
It’s all very well double stacking these bags and then securing them, but that’s when your potential problems could really start! You’ve just put 4 tonne into the area that will normally house 2 tonne, carry on with another 10 stacks and (if you can even get under the trailer) you’re gonna end up with some grossly overloaded axles somewhere along the line!
Whats the problem or objection to securing things properly?? It only takes a few extra minutes, even for 24 bulk bags…bone idle laziness comes to mind…
AndrewG:
Whats the problem or objection to securing things properly?? It only takes a few extra minutes, even for 24 bulk bags…bone idle laziness comes to mind…
2 years ago i loaded 24 1 ton bags of china clay destined for the uk…i came off the ferry at newhaven, headed up the A23, and BANG vosa pulled my…checked everything, all was ok, then he said Ill just have a look in the back…which he did…then asked me to open the curtains and saw that not ever pair of bags were strapped…so asked me to strap ever two bags, except those in front of the pillars…i di as i was told, then he handed me the fine of £100 for an insecure load…no explanation was accepted, even though i had travelled from the south of france, and they had not moved half an inch…so there you go, and they informed me that they had been to Germany to advise the gestapo over there…They also informed me that if a light bulb is out, its a ticket of £180…reduced if you change the bulb…so i guess theyre out to get you…most fines go to the government, and only a few fines can be kept by them…tread carefully drivers.
truckyboy:
2 years ago i loaded 24 1 ton bags of china clay destined for the uk…i came off the ferry at newhaven, headed up the A23, and BANG vosa pulled my…checked everything, all was ok, then he said Ill just have a look in the back…which he did…then asked me to open the curtains and saw that not ever pair of bags were strapped…so asked me to strap ever two bags, except those in front of the pillars…i di as i was told, then he handed me the fine of £100 for an insecure load…no explanation was accepted, even though i had travelled from the south of france, and they had not moved half an inch…so there you go, and they informed me that they had been to Germany to advise the gestapo over there…They also informed me that if a light bulb is out, its a ticket of £180…reduced if you change the bulb…so i guess theyre out to get you…most fines go to the government, and only a few fines can be kept by them…tread carefully drivers.
£100 fine for insecure load and £180 for a blown bulb. Never stop being amazed at the world we live in.
sneakyscotsman:
We run fertilizer in ton and 750K bags on taughtliners never strap them and they dont move,
they are loaded by the driver and you need to squeeze them in to get 22/24 in a load.(4" - 5" max left before the doors)
Only time they’re secured is if you double up the 750K and load 30.
BUT if its worth 3 points i wont be doing it again
sneakyscotsman:
We run fertilizer in ton and 750K bags on taughtliners never strap them and they dont move,
they are loaded by the driver and you need to squeeze them in to get 22/24 in a load.(4" - 5" max left before the doors)
Only time they’re secured is if you double up the 750K and load 30.
BUT if its worth 3 points i wont be doing it again
Does the driver use a clamshell fitted forklift?
Sure the forks for through the loops on bags.
FOUR at a time if they got a farm telehandler! !!![emoji41]
So the ‘expert’ on all things state and insist that sheets do not help to secure a load. Many many moons ago on my '64 Bedford TK flat reg no. FRT403C I picked up from Felixstowe ICD a full and complete load of wellington boats in cardboard cartons to go to Liverpool which ended up about 8 feet high on the back, I also had to climb on top of them to spread the sheet. How did the sheet not secure that load when the ropes came slack with every turn of the wheels ■■?
