raymundo:
quote… What’s wrong woth roping and sheetingNothing, but 95% of todays drivers wouldn’t have a clue how to do it, and it would never come up to Bewicks standard even if they did
that must put me in the 5% then 
oh and i think i could give bewick a run for his money :-p
I have seen full loads of bulk bags secured by a single strap in a sling back fashion.
This says to me the driver thinks the load might fall to the rear and has contrived an almost pathetically useless way to prevent it from doing so.
Obviously, the driver is going to ‘drive to the condition of the load’ and the load will never shift to the side (I guess some satnavs must have a crystal ball function)…
…and there was a thread recently about 15 quid an hour? 15 buttons an hour I would say.
W
My old Gaffer used to say “It won’t come off there’s nowt to stop it”. Work that one out!
Its about time VOSA started clamping down on load security. Far too many hauliers and drivers have so little respect for securing thier loads to their vehicles, using insufficent straps or chains, inproper lashing points, tired equipment etc… As for sheeting; its fine, but should only be used for keeping the load dry not holding it in place. Rarely are ropes or rope hooks up to the job of keeping a load in place. I stand by VOSA pulling guys hauling ton bags with little or nothing holding them in place. Shame they didn’t go a bit further.
Surely theres gota be abit of printed legislation to the effect of securing 1 ton bags somewhere?
I cant imagine scam-ossa trying to inforce this crap if they couldnt read it for themselves?
I move alot of these bags but have ally dropsides down the truck so i never strap them.
bluntman:
Its about time VOSA started clamping down on load security. Far too many hauliers and drivers have so little respect for securing thier loads to their vehicles, using insufficent straps or chains, inproper lashing points, tired equipment etc… As for sheeting; its fine, but should only be used for keeping the load dry not holding it in place.Rarely are ropes or rope hooks up to the job of keeping a load in place.
I stand by VOSA pulling guys hauling ton bags with little or nothing holding them in place. Shame they didn’t go a bit further.
nonsense
Suedehead:
bluntman:
Its about time VOSA started clamping down on load security. Far too many hauliers and drivers have so little respect for securing thier loads to their vehicles, using insufficent straps or chains, inproper lashing points, tired equipment etc… As for sheeting; its fine, but should only be used for keeping the load dry not holding it in place.Rarely are ropes or rope hooks up to the job of keeping a load in place.
I stand by VOSA pulling guys hauling ton bags with little or nothing holding them in place. Shame they didn’t go a bit further.
nonsense
You show me a certifcate or some evidence (not just driver talk) that show’s these wonderful pieces of rope will hold anywhere near the weights you folks are expecting them to hold. You can’t because they’re are simply won’t. They might be perfectly good at holding something in place thats riding down the road, but you swerve of get into an accident… Your a braver man than me. As for rope hooks I’ve seen plenty broken off in my time because bosses and been too tight to put proper lashing point on a lorry and a strap or a chain has soon ripped them clean off!
dazcapri:
kr79:
We have to strap everything on ferry trailers as i believe they are quite strict in europe even in euroliners.
Wasn’t there a thing recently where vosa said rope wasn’t adequate on bags on a flat it had to be strapsthe way I heard it was that rope’s don’t have a breaking limit on them like straps do, say you get a 5 ton ratchet strap ropes haven’t been tested like that so they reckon you shouldn’t use rope.load of rubbish is you ask me but I don’t make the rules
Ropes are tested and have breaking limits, but unlike straps the little label tends to fall off. I’ve never hauled bags but, I’d reckon a dropsider or roping sheeting is the way to go.
Suedehead:
nonsense
Agree.
bluntman:
Suedehead:
bluntman:
Its about time VOSA started clamping down on load security. Far too many hauliers and drivers have so little respect for securing thier loads to their vehicles, using insufficent straps or chains, inproper lashing points, tired equipment etc… As for sheeting; its fine, but should only be used for keeping the load dry not holding it in place.Rarely are ropes or rope hooks up to the job of keeping a load in place.
I stand by VOSA pulling guys hauling ton bags with little or nothing holding them in place. Shame they didn’t go a bit further.
nonsense
You show me a certifcate or some evidence (not just driver talk) that show’s these wonderful pieces of rope will hold anywhere near the weights you folks are expecting them to hold. You can’t because they’re are simply won’t. They might be perfectly good at holding something in place thats riding down the road, but you swerve of get into an accident… Your a braver man than me. As for rope hooks I’ve seen plenty broken off in my time because bosses and been too tight to put proper lashing point on a lorry and a strap or a chain has soon ripped them clean off!
Thats why they are called “rope hooks”
In the olden days,drivers actually used them when using rope.
Thats why they are called “rope hooks”
In the olden days,drivers actually used them when using rope.
Quite right - that we did. It was petty normal to rope a load down with a rope on every hook and cross lashed front and rear. Then put a sheet over that with more ropes to hold the sheet in place. Some loads took a couple of hours and a ot of sweat to secure.
I pull those stupid euro liners out of immingham, some of them have the older style side buckles, I loaded the other day and really tightend my curtains to the max, then the same with the buckles, a pet hate of mine is flapping loose floppy curtains, when I reached my tip half a dozen buckles had undone themselves ffs, they can kiss my behind if they think they will get a fine out me for something like that !
We used to carry big bags of steel turnings, to fasten them down with straps was like trying to keep an epileptic Florence and Zebidee in bed
This Bluntman (think its Blunt!) obviously isn’t a driver otherwise he wouldn’t be spouting such rubbish. How the hell did he think goods were carried and secured during the 20th Century, there was only chains and ropes available for the various loads a driver would secure on a flat trailer or body. If he knew anything about roping and sheeting then he would know the many techniques used to make sure what ever was being carried the driver would know the best way to secure his load using some of these techniques or skills. An experienced driver would be able to look at his load and know exactly what is required, a less experienced driver would learn through time and from others in the know, that’s how it was and believe me a double dollied rope from hook to hook would hold just as good as a modern strap. Franky.
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bluntman:
Its about time VOSA started clamping down on load security. Far too many hauliers and drivers have so little respect for securing thier loads to their vehicles, using insufficent straps or chains, inproper lashing points, tired equipment etc… As for sheeting; its fine, but should only be used for keeping the load dry not holding it in place. Rarely are ropes or rope hooks up to the job of keeping a load in place. I stand by VOSA pulling guys hauling ton bags with little or nothing holding them in place. Shame they didn’t go a bit further.
A tight sheet with rope over will hold bulk bags far better than rachet straps if done right every time
i can see you have limited understanding in this area!!
Frankydobo:
This Bluntman (think its Blunt!) obviously isn’t a driver otherwise he wouldn’t be spouting such rubbish. How the hell did he think goods were carried and secured during the 20th Century, there was only chains and ropes available for the various loads a driver would secure on a flat trailer or body. If he knew anything about roping and sheeting then he would know the many techniques used to make sure what ever was being carried the driver would know the best way to secure his load using some of these techniques or skills. An experienced driver would be able to look at his load and know exactly what is required, a less experienced driver would learn through time and from others in the know, that’s how it was and believe me a double dollied rope from hook to hook would hold just as good as a modern strap. Franky.
It rhymes with Blunt 
The ropes are not just used for holding the load on, the sheet is also part of the securing process, before these lightweight plastic sheets a tarpaulin was used to wrap the load, the rope is just used to tighten between the load/sheets, like using sellotape on a parcel, the strength is in the whole wrapping.
If the poster wants to see the method written down, buy yourself a Mrs Beeton book and read up on trussing a Turkey or wrapping a steamed pudding!
What make me laugh so much is. The bags travel well but if there not going to fall off the side why put a strap around the rear bag? Are they not close to the back of the trailer like the side? no there often not. So again why strap the rear bags Lol. You would have more chance them coming off side if some thing was to happen and you had lets say turn sharp more than you stting off and thowing them oof the back. I think you could have a 700 BHP FH and still not have enough power to do it lol
Regards
Peter
Peter Wells:
What make me laugh so much is. The bags travel well but if there not going to fall off the side why put a strap around the rear bag? Are they not close to the back of the trailer like the side? no there often not. So again why strap the rear bags Lol. You would have more chance them coming off side if some thing was to happen and you had lets say turn sharp more than you stting off and thowing them oof the back. I think you could have a 700 BHP FH and still not have enough power to do it lolRegards
Peter
You haven’t done many loads of hay or straw bales then Peter?
Have you heard of “Length Ropes?”
Moose:
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bluntman:
Its about time VOSA started clamping down on load security. Far too many hauliers and drivers have so little respect for securing thier loads to their vehicles, using insufficent straps or chains, inproper lashing points, tired equipment etc… As for sheeting; its fine, but should only be used for keeping the load dry not holding it in place. Rarely are ropes or rope hooks up to the job of keeping a load in place. I stand by VOSA pulling guys hauling ton bags with little or nothing holding them in place. Shame they didn’t go a bit further.
A tight sheet with rope over will hold bulk bags far better than rachet straps if done right every time
i can see you have limited understanding in this area!!
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But a sheet is only weather protection according to the hse website, and should not be used to hold the load. Seems all the roping and sheeting we’ve been doing for years is now completely wrong 
, what a stupid world we now live in!!!
Off topic slightly but i badgered a driver at a timber firm i was working on agency for to show me how to rope and sheet and he would do the whole sha-bang ropes dolly knots the lot and then put 2 ratchet straps over the packs of timber over the sheeting. He said it was just to keep vosa happy even though usually we would have put the straps underneath the sheeting as they were using older trucks and were pulled quite regularly with no faults found.
Seems a bit of a grey area to be honest.
Ive seen a builders merchant round here who puts one ratchet through all the loops at the top of the bags and secures it to the head board. It must work for him but who knows?