on manpower they take your first 45 tacho brak off you but pay all poa’s as that is still working time
i feel that i should be against the law not to pay poa’s as you still have the keys on you and in most cases there is nowhere for you to go except in ya cab
The bottom line to this thread is don’t work for companies or agencies that don’t pay for POA’s. Simple as that.
Last time I did agency work (at an RDC run by Excel) I was caught-out on my first shift for them when they deducted 45 mins from the total entered onto the days timesheet.
When I asked why, bearing in mind I had done a 9hr day but had driven less than 4½hrs, and hadn’t taken a break I was told by the (helpful) office clerk that with every run we do you should take a 45min break even though some of the runs are only a couple of hours.
That was good enough for me and whenever I have worked there i’ve come away feeling that ‘the books are more than balanced’! 
marcustandy:
Last time I did agency work (at an RDC run by Excel) I was caught-out on my first shift for them when they deducted 45 mins from the total entered onto the days timesheet.When I asked why, bearing in mind I had done a 9hr day but had driven less than 4½hrs, and hadn’t taken a break I was told by the (helpful) office clerk that with every run we do you should take a 45min break even though some of the runs are only a couple of hours.
That was good enough for me and whenever I have worked there i’ve come away feeling that ‘the books are more than balanced’!
As far as I know, there is a legal requirement to take a minimum 30 minute break after 6 hours duty whether you’ve been driving or doing other tasks. I will have to confirm that with my law-man Mr.Hobbs though 
As far as i am aware you are perfectly correct. 30 minutebreak after 6 hours work, and 45 minutes after 9 hours work i believe.
tortoise:
As far as i am aware you are perfectly correct. 30 minutebreak after 6 hours work, and 45 minutes after 9 hours work i believe.
Yes. Not many people know that too. 
tortoise wrote:
As far as i am aware you are perfectly correct. 30 minutebreak after 6 hours work, and 45 minutes after 9 hours work i believe.Yes. Not many people know that too.
you don’t haveto take it after the 6 hours it can be taken anytime during.
but i find it a complete pain in the arse. i did oldham and the arndale centre at manchester the other week . and there doing work on the arndale so we ahve to uncouple the unit due to fire regs and our bay being on the bend.
i couldn’t take my break after tipping because theother trucks on its way, so ha dto pull out of there and trying ro find somewhere in manc with 30 mins time left is a [zb] if yu don’t know the area.
thing is i still had 1 1/2 hours left of my 4 1/2 so had to have a extra 15 mins afterwards (due to collections stil to do), which in my opinion if you sleep doesn’t do your rest any good.
jon
jon
i seem to find myself having 2 15’s in my first 6 hours as im lucky if i drive more that 3 in that time
scanny77:
i do final deliveries. last week it was construction materals so it is a matter of drive, drop, drive again. i will look at the mode switchs potential but the agency dont want to pay POA. a copy of the relevant page from the regs will be included with my time sheet this week
If the agency don’t want to pay PoAs the LEAVE. You can be sure as hell that they’re charging them out.
Point out that if they’re not paying PoAs then drivers will leave the tacho on other work. Then what will happen is come the middle of July or middle of August (depending if you’re on a 17 or 26 week agreement) the agency will find itself very short of available drivers at exactly the same time as its customers who’ve not planned for the WTD will thus shooting themselves in the foot.
tortoise:
As far as i am aware you are perfectly correct. 30 minutebreak after 6 hours work, and 45 minutes after 9 hours work i believe.
This only affects mainly those doing local multidrop who may not necessarily do 4.5hrs driving therefore do not need to take a tacho break. Whereas before they could work right through, they now have to take a 30 minute break after 6 hours.
If you’ve taken 45 minutes tacho break before you’ve been at work 6 hours then there’s no need to take the additional 30 minute break.
marcustandy:
Last time I did agency work (at an RDC run by Excel) I was caught-out on my first shift for them when they deducted 45 mins from the total entered onto the days timesheet.When I asked why, bearing in mind I had done a 9hr day but had driven less than 4½hrs, and hadn’t taken a break I was told by the (helpful) office clerk that with every run we do you should take a 45min break even though some of the runs are only a couple of hours.
That was good enough for me and whenever I have worked there i’ve come away feeling that ‘the books are more than balanced’!
its very rare to be paid for your break whether you take it or not. it is taken out of overtime too. therefore, i always take a break if i am working over 8 hours. i dont work for free 
Conor:
Then what will happen is come the middle of July or middle of August (depending if you’re on a 17 or 26 week agreement) the agency will find itself very short of available drivers at exactly the same time as its customers who’ve not planned for the WTD will thus shooting themselves in the foot.
Good point!! Might have to squeeze some agency work in around that time - i’ll be due some holiday from this job about then and got now’t better to do!!
If my boss refused to pay PoA`s, then I would presume that to be my own time for me to do as I pleased. I would probably use that time to clean out my truck and travel homewards
BTW he does pay us for PoA`s(cos he needs drivers)
i will get a call tomorrow. i photocopied the FAQ that asks whether POA should be paid, highlighted it and stapled it to a copy of their contract with the relevant section highlighted. i added a note stating that i connot sign the contract until it is rectified
marcustandy:
Conor:
Good point!! Might have to squeeze some agency work in around that time - i’ll be due some holiday from this job about then and got now’t better to do!!
Its not that easy. A week on holiday or on sick is counted as 48 WORKING hours when calculating your average over a 17 or 26 week period. A decent agency will ask you how many hours you’ve done in the current reference period and how many hours you’ve done/are doing that week for another employer. Even though you are on holiday from your current job you have to tell them 48 hours.
Assuming my other job is a ‘mobile worker’■■ 
marcustandy:
Assuming my other job is a ‘mobile worker’■■
Regardless. Non-mobile workers have been covered by the WTD since 1998, albeit with an opt-out.
Either way, work done in any other job will count towards your working time totals - and only mobile workers can “write time off” as POAs. 
If you are not paid for a POA, you dont work there any more… very simple
Wheel Nut:
If you are not paid for a POA, you dont work there any more… very simple
Malc, wasn’t that what I said at 1.58pm today on this thread here :
The bottom line to this thread is don’t work for companies or agencies that don’t pay for POA’s. Simple as that.
Rob K:
Wheel Nut:
If you are not paid for a POA, you dont work there any more… very simpleMalc, wasn’t that what I said at 1.58pm today on this thread here :
The bottom line to this thread is don’t work for companies or agencies that don’t pay for POA’s. Simple as that.
Bless him…doesn’t know what to do when people agree with him, does he?