Solly:
Happydaze:
Why do you keep asking?Why don’t you get on with your life and stop worrying about others? You can be sure they’re not worrying about you.
Maybe you can give us all some insight into your job, then we can judge for ourselves if we would put up with the s*** that you do.
I keep asking because nuggets…knackers…like you know no better, You imbicile.
How imbecilic is not knowing how to spell imbecile? Good lad. 
Keep putting the knee pads on… so you can ■■■■ it for everyone else.
Solly:
Keep putting the knee pads on… so you can [zb] it for everyone else.
I hope you’re not driving in the morning Silly, you’ll still be well over the limit son.
Carryfast:
limeyphil:
i find it a pain sometimes that we are only allowed to work 15 hours a day.
it would be much easier to work longer days, and have more time off instead.
and before you get excited, wouldn’t a maximum working week be better?
maximum 70 hours duty per 7 days, this could include breaks, and other work.
you could earn a weeks wage in 4 days.
The whole issue is all a load of worst of all worlds bollox in which everyone loses out because the actual driving hours average out at far less than those type of spreadovers anyway.So in reality it just means loads of extra hours to suit zb work in which there’s too many hours spent doing ‘other duties’ and waiting/loading etc etc and the guvnor loses out because if the wagon isn’t rolling it isn’t earning.In addition to which is the risk of knackered drivers putting in the actual driving time of that type of spreadover at the end of it not the start.I certainly wouldn’t want to be in the way of a 40 tonner driven by someone who’s driving during the last 4.5 hours of a 15 hour working day let alone a 70 hour four day working week.
You could apply that to double manned hours too, infact more so, as the daily rest is 9hrs used to be only 8hrs, with a duty time of 22hrs which i believe is now 20-21hrs duty time , as the drivers must have taken & completed a daily rest within a 30hr window, i know that some co drivers will sleep in the bunk whilst the other drives if they need to sleep, but this can be dangerous as most don’t have any restraints, and i would be surprised if a company would pay compensation if you where thrown out of the bunk whilst the vehicle is moving, but on a more serious note he could land on the driver at the wheel,who could loose control cause a serious accident
Done all the time I need. It don’t lie. Now snuggle up.
Solly:
Done all the time I need. It don’t lie.
You see? I mean it, you’d be a danger to yourself and all the other drivers you care so much about.
Better make that phone call while you’re still in bed, sounds much more plausible then. Right I’m off, gotta get up and do some work, not fantasise about it.
Night all. 
You mean you will do as you are told. Why?
When the banter starts to bite, let’s all get it right;
A ‘45’ is needed, it must be conceded.
But are we talking ‘a revolver’, or some vinyl marked with “Decca”?
It’s time to get off your knees now - or we’ll all think you’re facing Mecca!
Dunno then?:
limeyphil:
i can’t see the problem with 70 hours?84 is the max at the moment.I can! I want to earn a living wage in 40 hours like normal people!
i can earn a “living wage” in 40 hours.
but if the work is there, then why not earn decent money for doing a bit more?
many years ago a firm i know was paying £1000 per trip from fleetwood to reggio calabria.
this could be done legally giving the driver £500 per week, and plenty of time at home.
but most did it bent, and took the £1000 every week.
they did it because the work was there if they wanted it.
Wheel Nut:
baracuda:
Hello everybody!This is my first postwrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?yes , unless you are working at night.
- Night time is between midnight and 4am for goods vehicles and 1am and 5am for passenger vehicles.
- If night work is performed, the daily working time should not exceed 10 hours in any 24 hour period.
The night work limit can only be exceeded where this is permitted in a relevant agreement.
As with the other working time limits under this legislation, breaks periods and periods of availability are not included in the 10 hour limit.
10 hours working time, yes, but as you know POA and Break are not included in that calculation, even at night.
Under the WTD we counted POA breaks etc in the 10 hour break so if started at say 2am you would be parked up by lunchtim. All the WTD says is 10 hours
I think it actually says 10 hours and POA/breaks are not included.
But I’ll stand correcting 
del949:
I think it actually says 10 hours and POA/breaks are not included.
But I’ll stand correcting
you are correct 
taffytrucker:
Under the WTD we counted POA breaks etc in the 10 hour break so if started at say 2am you would be parked up by lunchtim. All the WTD says is 10 hours
incorrect 
limeyphil:
Dunno then?:
limeyphil:
i can’t see the problem with 70 hours?84 is the max at the moment.I can! I want to earn a living wage in 40 hours like normal people!
i can earn a “living wage” in 40 hours.
but if the work is there, then why not earn decent money for doing a bit more?
many years ago a firm i know was paying £1000 per trip from fleetwood to reggio calabria.
this could be done legally giving the driver £500 per week, and plenty of time at home.
but most did it bent, and took the £1000 every week.
they did it because the work was there if they wanted it.
Blimey I’d have been happy with the £500 per week which is a lot more than I ever got for driving around 2,000 miles per week on uk work.
But changing the regs to 11 hours per day max,instead of the present worst of all worlds combination of relatively low driving hours but spread across up to a 15 hour day,would be an advantage on that type of run not a disadvantage.
That and getting rid of limiters and raising the speed limits to 65 mph. 
But the issue of being greedy by running bent to make £1,000 per week instead of just taking the £500 per week and leaving some work for someone else to have an opportunity to make a decent living says everything about some of the worst aspects of the industry.Just like enforced overtime as part of 15 hour days.
I don’t know why this topic keeps coming up. We’ve always done long hours in this industry. Things have gone backwards over the past few years, with the eastern blockers driving the wages down. Meaning no end in site for the long hours. If I were to get an agency job at the weekends, I would be sacked, for breaking wtd regs. So can’t use that one winseer. But your attitude in your post is consistent with your workshy attitude in others. A lorry driver moaning about 15 hour days is like a zoo keeper moaning about lions. You know the job when you take it on ffs 
If some loons were to be listened too on here, we’d be on £30 an hour for an 8 hour day. These are normally the ones you find in a Tesco waiting room, saying to the next driver the lutterworth to daventry they’re doing must pay £500. They’re not in the real world. Missing the herald must have sent the round the twist
taffytrucker:
Wheel Nut:
baracuda:
Hello everybody!This is my first postwrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?yes , unless you are working at night.
- Night time is between midnight and 4am for goods vehicles and 1am and 5am for passenger vehicles.
- If night work is performed, the daily working time should not exceed 10 hours in any 24 hour period.
The night work limit can only be exceeded where this is permitted in a relevant agreement.
As with the other working time limits under this legislation, breaks periods and periods of availability are not included in the 10 hour limit.
10 hours working time, yes, but as you know POA and Break are not included in that calculation, even at night.
Under the WTD we counted POA breaks etc in the 10 hour break so if started at say 2am you would be parked up by lunchtim. All the WTD says is 10 hours
Just checked and it says ‘10 hrs work’ so I stand corrected
A lorry driver moaning about 15 hour days is like a zoo keeper moaning about lions
No. it’s more like the zoo keeper moaning about living with the lions.
OVLOV JAY:
A lorry driver moaning about 15 hour days is like a zoo keeper moaning about lions. You know the job when you take it on ffs
I did 20 years in the job without having to put in a 15 hour day except for a few very exceptional circumstances related to adverse weather conditions.From the employers’ point of view the combination of a 9-10 hour driving limit and 55 mph speed limit and over taxed fuel is inefficient enough but the idea of then needing to add at least 5 hours or more of unproductive zb’ing about to that is just adding insult to injury.From the employees’ point of view it’s at best a waste of valuable time that could/should be spent living a life away from work or at worst a dangerous aspect of running schedules in which the laws of biology say that sooner or later a knackered driver will end up causing an accident in which that driver could end up as one of the casualties or locked up in jail for the casualties that those type of schedules could cause.
del949:
A lorry driver moaning about 15 hour days is like a zoo keeper moaning about lions
No. it’s more like the zoo keeper moaning about living with the lions.
If you hardly ever did a 15hr day in 20 years then you’re hardly in a place to complain. Right or wrong they are part of the industry. If a driver doesn’t want to do it there is no gun to their head. Maybe delivering car parts in a van is a more suitable profession
I don’t care if someone wants to work 15 hours every day of the week…so long as they paid in accordance to their time and effort…i object strongly to people working those sorts of hours on slave labour money to end up after nearly 2 weeks work in one earning a pittance.