limeyphil:
i find it a pain sometimes that we are only allowed to work 15 hours a day.
it would be much easier to work longer days, and have more time off instead.
and before you get excited, wouldn’t a maximum working week be better?
maximum 70 hours duty per 7 days, this could include breaks, and other work.
you could earn a weeks wage in 4 days.
The whole issue is all a load of worst of all worlds bollox in which everyone loses out because the actual driving hours average out at far less than those type of spreadovers anyway.So in reality it just means loads of extra hours to suit zb work in which there’s too many hours spent doing ‘other duties’ and waiting/loading etc etc and the guvnor loses out because if the wagon isn’t rolling it isn’t earning.In addition to which is the risk of knackered drivers putting in the actual driving time of that type of spreadover at the end of it not the start.I certainly wouldn’t want to be in the way of a 40 tonner driven by someone who’s driving during the last 4.5 hours of a 15 hour working day let alone a 70 hour four day working week.
Juddian:
The reason many truck drivers are still on poor money is that too many still live in 1963, where working blokes needed to put in 70 hour weeks to earn a normal liveable wage without handouts, whilst this scandalous self abuse goes on we’ll forever have people doing 70 hour weeks for an unimpressive wage.
The WTD averages us out at 48hr average working week, we should all be working towards salaried jobs that average out at that figure at the very highest, its not a target its a limit.
Whilst people still think in 70 hour weeks, fiddling POA to attain the heady heights of a mediocre wage and still including their subsistence allowance in their nett pay we’ll never make any progress.
Get yourselves sorted lads, down the 70 hour week route lies complete debilitating exhaustion, divorce loneliness and an early grave.
I used to have to do hours like that to provide, we all did, its not till you get off that treadmill and learn to live again that you realise just what those hours do to you, if i was still doing it i’d probably be pushing up daisies or in a home for the bewildered by know.
We are not part of the machine.
Or even worse doing time in jail for running into something or someone while too zb’d to have been driving when the driver should have been sleeping.
limeyphil:
i can’t see the problem with 70 hours?
84 is the max at the moment.
Where’s the sense in having a 9-10 hour driving time limit when it’s possible to be driving the the last hours of that driving period at the end of a 15 hour working day let alone an 84 hour working week.The long spreadovers allow the situation whereby too much time can be spent doing other work while still leaving loads of driving to do at the end of it.Which is a recipe for accidents caused by knackered drivers.
It would probably be better to just have an 11 hour working day limit,55 hours total a 5 day working week and 48 hours weekly rest.Which would simplify the whole thing.
limeyphil:
i can’t see the problem with 70 hours?
84 is the max at the moment.
Where’s the sense in having a 9-10 hour driving time limit when it’s possible to be driving the the last hours of that driving period at the end of a 15 hour working day let alone an 84 hour working week.The long spreadovers allow the situation whereby too much time can be spent doing other work while still leaving loads of driving to do at the end of it.Which is a recipe for accidents caused by knackered drivers.
It would probably be better to just have an 11 hour working day limit,55 hours total a 5 day working week and 48 hours weekly rest.Which would simplify the whole thing.
it would simplify it alright. but i’d never get home.
some trips take 2 weeks, including a 24 off, then catch up the rest at home. if i take 48 hours off each week. then by the time i get back, it’d be about wednesday of week 3. so i’d have to turn round to make some money.
…There it is again - that fear of being shown the door unless one gets on their knees and starts to lick - on demand!
If it’s friday, and you want to be home by a reasonable hour, then you make sure you’ve run out of hours shortly after said “hour” is up.
Doesn’t anyone else refuse to sign those “I elect not to work anywhere else” contract thingies as a full timer?
All you need to do is pull a casual shift at a supermarket the previous sunday (assuming your FT job is monday-friday not at the same supermarket!) and bingo… You’ve got enough hours to do the regular shift by the book plus a reasonable ‘over’ of 1-2 hours, but no ■■■■■■■■ on top like a friday 4pm-midnight turning into 4pm-7am saturday morning when you’ve made serious plans for your private life that saturday dinner time!
Surely people have to be getting suspicious of their gaffer’s intentions when they turn up at the start of a friday shift, and he gives out the tramper motor for a run to the back of beyond somewhere at the opposite end of the country?!
limeyphil:
i can’t see the problem with 70 hours?
84 is the max at the moment.
Where’s the sense in having a 9-10 hour driving time limit when it’s possible to be driving the the last hours of that driving period at the end of a 15 hour working day let alone an 84 hour working week.The long spreadovers allow the situation whereby too much time can be spent doing other work while still leaving loads of driving to do at the end of it.Which is a recipe for accidents caused by knackered drivers.
It would probably be better to just have an 11 hour working day limit,55 hours total a 5 day working week and 48 hours weekly rest.Which would simplify the whole thing.
it would simplify it alright. but i’d never get home.
some trips take 2 weeks, including a 24 off, then catch up the rest at home. if i take 48 hours off each week. then by the time i get back, it’d be about wednesday of week 3. so i’d have to turn round to make some money.
In most domestic/local running jobs that idea would work while leaving the present flexibility in the system,concerning reductions in weekly rest periods,for those long distance jobs where it can be shown that it would cut down on time spent needlesly parked up when a driver could get home instead.
While the increase in driving time allowed would benefit those long distance operations even more while cutting down on the issues which I’ve raised of drivers still being on the road driving after 11 hours on duty.
wrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?
yes , unless you are working at night.
Night time is between midnight and 4am for goods vehicles and 1am and 5am for passenger vehicles.
If night work is performed, the daily working time should not exceed 10 hours in any 24 hour period.
The night work limit can only be exceeded where this is permitted in a relevant agreement.
As with the other working time limits under this legislation, breaks periods and periods of availability are not included in the 10 hour limit.
so what you are saying here is you can’t work a 15 hr spread at night, sorry to say you are wrong!!! you can if the pao mode is legal to use and breaks
wrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?
yes , unless you are working at night.
Night time is between midnight and 4am for goods vehicles and 1am and 5am for passenger vehicles.
If night work is performed, the daily working time should not exceed 10 hours in any 24 hour period.
The night work limit can only be exceeded where this is permitted in a relevant agreement.
As with the other working time limits under this legislation, breaks periods and periods of availability are not included in the 10 hour limit.
so what you are saying here is you can’t work a 15 hr spread at night, sorry to say you are wrong!!! you can if the pao mode is legal to use and breaks
wrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?
yes , unless you are working at night.
Night time is between midnight and 4am for goods vehicles and 1am and 5am for passenger vehicles.
If night work is performed, the daily working time should not exceed 10 hours in any 24 hour period.
The night work limit can only be exceeded where this is permitted in a relevant agreement.
As with the other working time limits under this legislation, breaks periods and periods of availability are not included in the 10 hour limit.
so what you are saying here is you can’t work a 15 hr spread at night, sorry to say you are wrong!!! you can if the pao mode is legal to use and breaks
Have you reed my post to the end?
yes and the question was" can the boss plan a 15 hr spread, you answered yes,but then confused the issue by saying “unless you work nights” which only applies to “working time” under wtd and not spread time under tacho rules, which are to seperate issues. thats what you are confusing
robroy:
If you feel that you would prefer a max 13hr day for genuine reasons of say driver fatigue, I would imagine he would not insist on it, if he does and you feel strongly against it get him to put it in writing, or txt you, I doubt if he will still insist on these terms for obvious reasons.
i would like to try that too often, you might find yourself looking for a new job
repton:
wrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?
In a word: Yes.
This has been done many times before on here and what it boils down to is that if it’s legal, your boss can plan it for you. Your only “get out” is that if for some reason you feel you would not have adequate rest and therefore road safety would be compromised, however if you did this very often I would think you would find yourself being shown the door.
robroy:
If you feel that you would prefer a max 13hr day for genuine reasons of say driver fatigue, I would imagine he would not insist on it, if he does and you feel strongly against it get him to put it in writing, or txt you, I doubt if he will still insist on these terms for obvious reasons.
i would like to try that too often, you might find yourself looking for a new job
repton:
wrcmark:
can my boss plan me for 15 hour spread when he wants to ■■?
In a word: Yes.
This has been done many times before on here and what it boils down to is that if it’s legal, your boss can plan it for you. Your only “get out” is that if for some reason you feel you would not have adequate rest and therefore road safety would be compromised, however if you did this very often I would think you would find yourself being shown the door.
Paul
I keep asking the question:
WHY DO YOU ALL PUT UP WITH THIS S***■■?
Why do you keep asking?
Why don’t you get on with your life and stop worrying about others? You can be sure they’re not worrying about you.
Maybe you can give us all some insight into your job, then we can judge for ourselves if we would put up with the s*** that you do.
