Weight distribution and where the axles are set plays a part in how the truck and trailer preforms and how you drive. It’s like with the winter on the way I prefer to have a bit more weight on my drives if i can for the extra traction but that also depends if i have a tridem or tandem trailer and what spread the axles are and also what states and or what province I’m running in. Another factor this time of year is if you have super single tires or not.
If I’m running over to BC I don’t want the axles at the rear of the trailer on the mountain roads nor am allowed to by law because of the cut in. But of course with your vast experience and knowledge of the M25 you would know this already
taffytrucker:
Weight distribution and where the axles are set plays a part in how the truck and trailer preforms and how you drive. It’s like with the winter on the way I prefer to have a bit more weight on my drives if i can for the extra traction but that also depends if i have a tridem or tandem trailer and what spread the axles are and also what states and or what province I’m running in. Another factor this time of year is if you have super single tires or not.
If I’m running over to BC I don’t want the axles at the rear of the trailer on the mountain roads nor am allowed to by law because of the cut in. But of course with your vast experience and knowledge of the M25 you would know this already
None of which is really relevant to the average driver here who’s given one of these lash ups to couple up to and where it’s been loaded with some last minute heavy pallets thrown on the overhang and then has to be navigated through the same obstacles as a standard 45 ft trailer.In which case as I’ve said the advantages of putting all the extra length in the middle,thereby increasing cut in,outweighs the disadvantages of putting the extra length on the rear overhang.Although having said that I think the Americans managed fine in the mountains over the years with set back axles on semi trailers until the Californian government decided otherwise although admittedly I wouldn’t want to drive a 53 ft trailer with it’s axles set right at the back using the average US type conventional unit over the Stelvio.But that isn’t exactly what we’re talking about in the case of these trailers or those over there.IE it’s all about getting the right balance and this idea ain’t it.
stevieboy308:
Carryfast. Have you ever driven a trombone trailer? And if so, had it extended? Or any longer than standard trailer?
No I can do better than that.Because 1) I know how to make a truck and 2) I know how to drive one and on that note trust me you wouldn’t want that trombone trailer set up so that it extends at it’s overhang thereby increasing it’s tail sweep instead of in it’s middle thereby increasing it’s cut in.
taffytrucker:
Weight distribution and where the axles are set plays a part in how the truck and trailer preforms and how you drive. It’s like with the winter on the way I prefer to have a bit more weight on my drives if i can for the extra traction but that also depends if i have a tridem or tandem trailer and what spread the axles are and also what states and or what province I’m running in. Another factor this time of year is if you have super single tires or not.
If I’m running over to BC I don’t want the axles at the rear of the trailer on the mountain roads nor am allowed to by law because of the cut in. But of course with your vast experience and knowledge of the M25 you would know this already
None of which is really relevant to the average driver here who’s given one of these lash ups to couple up to and where it’s been loaded with some last minute heavy pallets thrown on the overhang and then has to be navigated through the same obstacles as a standard 45 ft trailer.In which case as I’ve said the advantages of putting all the extra length in the middle,thereby increasing cut in,outweighs the disadvantages of putting the extra length on the rear overhang.Although having said that I think the Americans managed fine in the mountains over the years with set back axles on semi trailers until the Californian government decided otherwise although admittedly I wouldn’t want to drive a 53 ft trailer with it’s axles set right at the back using the average US type conventional unit over the Stelvio.But that isn’t exactly what we’re talking about in the case of these trailers or those over there.IE it’s all about getting the right balance and this idea ain’t it.
again youre talking total crap.
if last min heavy pallets thrown on get the load worked and of course weight distribution is important with a trailer that size as it can throw out your legal axle weights or didnt you know that… and you will not run mountains over here with your axles at the back most states and not just CA wont allow you to because of the cut in so again weight distribution is a factor. No matter what side of the pond it matters you daft ■■■■■■■■■ are more or less the same size as what we got over here so maybe yea it does all tie in
stevieboy308:
Carryfast. Have you ever driven a trombone trailer? And if so, had it extended? Or any longer than standard trailer?
No I can do better than that.Because 1) I know how to make a truck and 2) I know how to drive one and on that note trust me you wouldn’t want that trombone trailer set up so that it extends at it’s overhang thereby increasing it’s tail sweep instead of in it’s middle thereby increasing it’s cut in.
yeaaaaa all our problems solved the world over CF knows what he talking about and knows better then designers who are paid stupid amounts of money
taffytrucker:
Weight distribution and where the axles are set plays a part in how the truck and trailer preforms and how you drive. It’s like with the winter on the way I prefer to have a bit more weight on my drives if i can for the extra traction but that also depends if i have a tridem or tandem trailer and what spread the axles are and also what states and or what province I’m running in. Another factor this time of year is if you have super single tires or not.
If I’m running over to BC I don’t want the axles at the rear of the trailer on the mountain roads nor am allowed to by law because of the cut in. But of course with your vast experience and knowledge of the M25 you would know this already
None of which is really relevant to the average driver here who’s given one of these lash ups to couple up to and where it’s been loaded with some last minute heavy pallets thrown on the overhang and then has to be navigated through the same obstacles as a standard 45 ft trailer.In which case as I’ve said the advantages of putting all the extra length in the middle,thereby increasing cut in,outweighs the disadvantages of putting the extra length on the rear overhang.Although having said that I think the Americans managed fine in the mountains over the years with set back axles on semi trailers until the Californian government decided otherwise although admittedly I wouldn’t want to drive a 53 ft trailer with it’s axles set right at the back using the average US type conventional unit over the Stelvio.But that isn’t exactly what we’re talking about in the case of these trailers or those over there.IE it’s all about getting the right balance and this idea ain’t it.
again youre talking total crap.
if last min heavy pallets thrown on get the load worked and of course weight distribution is important with a trailer that size as it can throw out your legal axle weights or didnt you know that… and you will not run mountains over here with your axles at the back most states and not just CA wont allow you to because of the cut in so again weight distribution is a factor. No matter what side of the pond it matters you daft [zb].they are more or less the same size as what we got over here so maybe yea it does all tie in
Absolutely more or less the same overall length.Now check out the difference between the type of pin to fixed axle measurement that you’re allowed over there even under the worst case scenario compared to the same measurement allowed here.Which is what determines the cut in and tail sweep.I think you’ll find the ratio of tail sweep v cut in over there still wouldn’t be as bad as it is here.Although you’d obviously be one of the lot who thinks that it would be better to extend a trombone on the overhang rather than in the middle because it would drive better and be easier to get the weight distribution right in your world.
IE in terms of the amount of tail sweep here compared to there on a trailer of around similar length you’re comparing apples with oranges.
stevieboy308:
Carryfast. Have you ever driven a trombone trailer? And if so, had it extended? Or any longer than standard trailer?
No I can do better than that.Because 1) I know how to make a truck and 2) I know how to drive one and on that note trust me you wouldn’t want that trombone trailer set up so that it extends at it’s overhang thereby increasing it’s tail sweep instead of in it’s middle thereby increasing it’s cut in.
yeaaaaa all our problems solved the world over CF knows what he talking about and knows better then designers who are paid stupid amounts of money
Those designers in this case doing what they’re allowed to within the semi trailer pin to axle measurements which they have to work with to keep cut in down to ridiculous limits at the expense of having stupid levels of tail sweep instead.
stevieboy308:
Carryfast. Have you ever driven a trombone trailer? And if so, had it extended? Or any longer than standard trailer?
No I can do better than that.Because 1) I know how to make a truck and 2) I know how to drive one and on that note trust me you wouldn’t want that trombone trailer set up so that it extends at it’s overhang thereby increasing it’s tail sweep instead of in it’s middle thereby increasing it’s cut in.
do you think a standard 13.6m tri axle has the axles in the right place?
Am I missing something here, but the axles are mounted according to the application, arent they? Compare a low loader with that of a fridge - the low loader will try and run you over with it’s wheels whereas a fridge will try and swipe you with it’s back end.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Yep, me too. Cut in beats overhang anytime anywhere.
i once took a trombone trailer around central london, it was only around 16.5m load, with roughly a 2 meter stretch and a meter over the back. it was the most memorable day driving a truck i’ve ever had
the difference it made was quite surprising
rather than carryfasts - put the axles at the back given the choice on a new 15.65m trailer, i’d keep ratio between the pin to middle axle and middle axle to the back end the same or similar to a 13.6m trailer.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Yep, me too. Cut in beats overhang anytime anywhere.
i once took a trombone trailer around central london, it was only around 16.5m load, with roughly a 2 meter stretch and a meter over the back. it was the most memorable day driving a truck i’ve ever had
the difference it made was quite surprising
rather than carryfasts - put the axles at the back given the choice on a new 15.65m trailer, i’d keep ratio between the pin to middle axle and middle axle to the back end the same or similar to a 13.6m trailer.
If you’d have read my posts I didn’t say put the axles right at the back.I actually said keep the standard overhang by putting the the extra length in front of the axles.In which case the tail sweep would be the same and the cut in would increase.Which as I said is better than putting the extra length on the overhang.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Yep, me too. Cut in beats overhang anytime anywhere.
i once took a trombone trailer around central london, it was only around 16.5m load, with roughly a 2 meter stretch and a meter over the back. it was the most memorable day driving a truck i’ve ever had
the difference it made was quite surprising
rather than carryfasts - put the axles at the back given the choice on a new 15.65m trailer, i’d keep ratio between the pin to middle axle and middle axle to the back end the same or similar to a 13.6m trailer.
If you’d have read my posts I didn’t say put the axles right at the back.I actually said keep the standard overhang by putting the the extra length in front of the axles.In which case the tail sweep would be the same and the cut in would increase.Which as I said is better than putting the extra length on the overhang.
Sorry cf, I’ll pay more attention next time!
but a longer wheel base will lessen the effect of the tail sweep despite the same size overhang, which is why I’d say keep the ratios the same or similar.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Yep, me too. Cut in beats overhang anytime anywhere.
i once took a trombone trailer around central london, it was only around 16.5m load, with roughly a 2 meter stretch and a meter over the back. it was the most memorable day driving a truck i’ve ever had
the difference it made was quite surprising
rather than carryfasts - put the axles at the back given the choice on a new 15.65m trailer, i’d keep ratio between the pin to middle axle and middle axle to the back end the same or similar to a 13.6m trailer.
If you’d have read my posts I didn’t say put the axles right at the back.I actually said keep the standard overhang by putting the the extra length in front of the axles.In which case the tail sweep would be the same and the cut in would increase.Which as I said is better than putting the extra length on the overhang.
Sorry cf, I’ll pay more attention next time!
but a longer wheel base will lessen the effect of the tail sweep despite the same size overhang, which is why I’d say keep the ratios the same or similar.
Yep, that’s what I think. Not the wheels right at the back but have more length in front of the axles keeping the overhang the same. Putting a steering axle at the back like these new trailers is something I massively disagree on although Its obviously still down to the driver whether or not they hit anything
given the choice on a new 15.65m trailer, i’d keep ratio between the pin to middle axle and middle axle to the back end the same or similar to a 13.6m trailer.