Yet again another cyclist dies

[boomerang_dave]

EastAnglianTrucker:
Realised by whom? You? I’m certain you’ll find poorly educated people in any profession you care to mention, not just truck driving. A poor education is not a reason to suggest someone cannot behave in a professional manner, or recognise right from wrong.

Yes, but we’re talking about truck driving and truck drivers. Pay attention!

EastAnglianTrucker:
What makes you think Carryfast is in anyway representative of currently working truck drivers. Or for that matter, retired truck drivers? And why do you even think Carryfast is a truck driver?

Where have I said that? To save you looking - I haven’t - ever!

EastAnglianTrucker:
They need to be retrained by who? It seems you can’t accept there may be other opinions than your own. And your suggestion that people should be deprived of their livelihood on your say so, is not only absurd, it smacks of latent fascism!

That’s really funny mate… really: Where have I said other people are not entitled to their opinion? Mentioning the word fascism in this context is stupidity of the highest order - get a grip.

EastAnglianTrucker:
Apart from your questionable English grammar, it also appears you want to tar every truck driver as uneducated whilst making schoolboy grammatical errors yourself. Hypocrisy par excellence!

I think you’ll find I have used my words carefully, noting ‘some’ and have already said I have worked with many intelligent drivers. You are starting to sound a bit like a ■■■■. I didn’t realise this was a Grammar test… oh - it isn’t. That’s ok then!

EastAnglianTrucker:
In response to this comment, I refer you to my earlier point about being a self appointed judge and jury of your peers! You undermine your own arguments by such ill considered comments!

Nope not judge and jury… but certainly in the instance I agree with the Judges, Juries, Solicitors, Barristers, Law Makers, Police Officers… do you? Because as sure as eggs are eggs… that’s is what they think and that is why they are sending HGV drivers to prison. Slow down mate - breathe a little and think about it.

EastAnglianTrucker:
There are monkeys passing far more difficult testing procedures in many other walks of life. Policemen for example, who proceed to shoot innocent civilians without good reason! Or who deliberately perjure themselves for their own advantage. The list of professional misconduct in the police service is unfortunately, endless. Those are the monkeys we need to re-educate first. Truck drivers, as usual, will come a long, long way down the list.

Yes, but we’re talking about truck driving and truck drivers.

Can’t be arsed responding to the rest of the misinterpreted senseless bollox to be honest.

Have a nice day.

[boomerang_dave]

Scanner:
That is the post I would have made if I had paid more attention at school!

I doubt it.

[scanner]

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:
That is the post I would have made if I had paid more attention at school!

I doubt it.

You’re right. I would actually refer you to this ISBN-13: 978-1616144111.

[boomerang_dave]

Scanner:

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:
That is the post I would have made if I had paid more attention at school!

I doubt it.

You’re right. I would actually refer you to this ISBN-13: 978-1616144111.

And on the actual subject?

Do you have anything intelligent to offer?

[carryfast]

albion1971:
Boomerang Dave I quite agree with your post about how easy it is to become an LGV driver and the fact the test is far too easy.
What you write is not drivel despite what others say.
There are not many on here that agree the test is far too easy but the fact of the matter is the actual test is very basic and there is far too much luck involved in passing.
Re testing or assesment every 3 to 5 years would do wonders for cutting the accident rate and raising standards but will probably never happen because of the cost.
The test has not really changed much since it was introduced.The theory test and hazard perception was a backward step in my view.Again they are talking about putting some weight on the vehicle but some of us can remember the disaster when they tried that before.
What is really needed is a far strickter driving test or rather an assessment that is carried out over a number of weeks(say 12 hours) in a variety of different situations.
Saying all that I still wonder why driving standards have gone downhill so much in recent years?

If it’s all about the cyclist issue what would be needed in this case is a test that takes place over a week of driving an artic in London all day from 7.30 am to 6.30 pm.Although even that won’t sort the problem because truck v cyclist collisions are mostly an issue of the numbers situation in which it’s all about random incidents of a truck meeting the wrong cyclist in the wrong place at the wrong time and the more cyclists that use the roads the more those situations will take place maybe during your bs test or maybe not.However it’s obvious that the test in that case would all be about those unlucky drivers who met that situation on test v those who didn’t.However the resulting charges would be just the same.At which point the fact that the unlucky drivers concerned would also have failed the test in addition would be the least of their problems.Although of course we could make it so that the ‘examiner’ ( in this case being you ) is regarded as being the responsible party for the collision in that case being that the driver would be acting under your,obviously flawless, supervision in which you’re always going to be one step ahead of whatever even the most suicidal cyclist tries to do around the truck.

[carryfast]

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:
That is the post I would have made if I had paid more attention at school!

I doubt it.

You’re right. I would actually refer you to this ISBN-13: 978-1616144111.

And on the actual subject?

Do you have anything intelligent to offer?

Intelligence doesn’t come much less intelligent than a blind cyclist supporter of the status quo who has to block any one who beats him in an intelligent argument.

[scanner]

Boomerang Dave:
Pay attention!

Mentioning the word fascism in this context is stupidity of the highest order - get a grip.

You are starting to sound a bit like a ■■■■. I didn’t realise this was a Grammar test… oh - it isn’t. That’s ok then!

Slow down mate - breathe a little and think about it.

Can’t be arsed responding to the rest of the misinterpreted senseless bollox to be honest.

Have a nice day.

The question is, do you?

[scanner]

Carryfast:

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:
That is the post I would have made if I had paid more attention at school!

I doubt it.

You’re right. I would actually refer you to this ISBN-13: 978-1616144111.

And on the actual subject?

Do you have anything intelligent to offer?

Intelligence doesn’t come much less intelligent than a blind cyclist supporter of the status quo who has to block any one who beats him in an intelligent argument.

What are you blathering on about?

[misterstrood]

Let me guess. He was not on that cycle - path parallel to the road. He insisted like 99% of them that it is safer to ride it on the road.

[boomerang_dave]

MisterStrood:
Let me guess…

Do you have more detailed information than Avon & Somerset Police are releasing? do spill the beans - like exactly where was this? which way were they travelling etc? what happened?

Here’s the official press release from the police - doesn’t tell us if there was a cycle lane to the side or which way they were heading - no real details: Keep in mind that the driver has been released and no mention of a charge as yet!

Media Release: 26/07/2013 8:21
We are appealing for witnesses and information following a fatal road traffic collision in Avonmouth last night (Thursday 25th July 2013). 


The incident occurred on the A403 St Andrews Road/Kingsweston Lane at around 7pm. 


A male cyclist was in collision with a lorry and died at the scene. 

The driver of the lorry, a 37-year-old man, has been arrested and has been released on bail pending further enquiries. 


Anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed this collision is asked to contact the collision investigation unit on 101 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

[misterstrood]

Boomerang Dave:

MisterStrood:
Let me guess…

Do you have more detailed information than Avon & Somerset Police are releasing? do spill the beans - like exactly where was this? which way were they travelling etc? what happened?

Here’s the official press release from the police - doesn’t tell us if there was a cycle lane to the side or which way they were heading - no real details: Keep in mind that the driver has been released and no mention of a charge as yet!

Media Release: 26/07/2013 8:21
We are appealing for witnesses and information following a fatal road traffic collision in Avonmouth last night (Thursday 25th July 2013). 


The incident occurred on the A403 St Andrews Road/Kingsweston Lane at around 7pm. 


A male cyclist was in collision with a lorry and died at the scene. 

The driver of the lorry, a 37-year-old man, has been arrested and has been released on bail pending further enquiries. 


Anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed this collision is asked to contact the collision investigation unit on 101 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Than be bothered and look at the picture in the link - what do you see ? I see a cycle-path that is hardly noticeable for 99.90% of cyclists I see every day. I just judge from the experience.

This sort of signs actually means something

[carryfast]

MisterStrood:

Boomerang Dave:

MisterStrood:
Let me guess…

Do you have more detailed information than Avon & Somerset Police are releasing? do spill the beans - like exactly where was this? which way were they travelling etc? what happened?

Here’s the official press release from the police - doesn’t tell us if there was a cycle lane to the side or which way they were heading - no real details: Keep in mind that the driver has been released and no mention of a charge as yet!

Media Release: 26/07/2013 8:21
We are appealing for witnesses and information following a fatal road traffic collision in Avonmouth last night (Thursday 25th July 2013). 


The incident occurred on the A403 St Andrews Road/Kingsweston Lane at around 7pm. 


A male cyclist was in collision with a lorry and died at the scene. 

The driver of the lorry, a 37-year-old man, has been arrested and has been released on bail pending further enquiries. 


Anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed this collision is asked to contact the collision investigation unit on 101 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Than be bothered and look at the picture in the link - what do you see ? I see a cycle-path that is hardly noticeable for 99.90% of cyclists I see every day. I just judge from the experience.

This sort of signs actually means something
0

We’ve been here before on this topic but the biased ■■■■■■,just like all the majority of the cyclist supporting lobby,just ignores anyone who beats him on that argument so you’re probably wasting your time.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102239&start=240#p1522958

[carryfast]

Scanner:

Carryfast:

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:

Boomerang Dave:

Scanner:
That is the post I would have made if I had paid more attention at school!

I doubt it.

You’re right. I would actually refer you to this ISBN-13: 978-1616144111.

And on the actual subject?

Do you have anything intelligent to offer?

Intelligence doesn’t come much less intelligent than a blind cyclist supporter of the status quo who has to block any one who beats him in an intelligent argument.

What are you blathering on about?

Just making the point that intelligence obviously isn’t one of Boomerang Dave’s strongest points in order for him to be able to judge the level of anyone esle’s.

[scanner]

Carryfast:

MisterStrood:

Boomerang Dave:

MisterStrood:
Let me guess…

Do you have more detailed information than Avon & Somerset Police are releasing? do spill the beans - like exactly where was this? which way were they travelling etc? what happened?

Here’s the official press release from the police - doesn’t tell us if there was a cycle lane to the side or which way they were heading - no real details: Keep in mind that the driver has been released and no mention of a charge as yet!

Media Release: 26/07/2013 8:21
We are appealing for witnesses and information following a fatal road traffic collision in Avonmouth last night (Thursday 25th July 2013). 


The incident occurred on the A403 St Andrews Road/Kingsweston Lane at around 7pm. 


A male cyclist was in collision with a lorry and died at the scene. 

The driver of the lorry, a 37-year-old man, has been arrested and has been released on bail pending further enquiries. 


Anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed this collision is asked to contact the collision investigation unit on 101 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Than be bothered and look at the picture in the link - what do you see ? I see a cycle-path that is hardly noticeable for 99.90% of cyclists I see every day. I just judge from the experience.

This sort of signs actually means something
0

We’ve been here before on this topic but the biased ■■■■■■,just like all the majority of the cyclist supporting lobby,just ignores anyone who beats him on that argument so you’re probably wasting your time.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102239&start=240#p1522958

What do you mean “cyclist supporting lobby”? Road users have an equal right to use roads. There is a whole other debate over right vs licence to use public highways, in that pedestrians and cyclists are there by right, whilst motor vehicles are there by licence.

[carryfast]

Scanner:

Carryfast:

MisterStrood:

Boomerang Dave:

MisterStrood:
Let me guess…

Do you have more detailed information than Avon & Somerset Police are releasing? do spill the beans - like exactly where was this? which way were they travelling etc? what happened?

Here’s the official press release from the police - doesn’t tell us if there was a cycle lane to the side or which way they were heading - no real details: Keep in mind that the driver has been released and no mention of a charge as yet!

Media Release: 26/07/2013 8:21
We are appealing for witnesses and information following a fatal road traffic collision in Avonmouth last night (Thursday 25th July 2013). 


The incident occurred on the A403 St Andrews Road/Kingsweston Lane at around 7pm. 


A male cyclist was in collision with a lorry and died at the scene. 

The driver of the lorry, a 37-year-old man, has been arrested and has been released on bail pending further enquiries. 


Anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed this collision is asked to contact the collision investigation unit on 101 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Than be bothered and look at the picture in the link - what do you see ? I see a cycle-path that is hardly noticeable for 99.90% of cyclists I see every day. I just judge from the experience.

This sort of signs actually means something
0

We’ve been here before on this topic but the biased ■■■■■■,just like all the majority of the cyclist supporting lobby,just ignores anyone who beats him on that argument so you’re probably wasting your time.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102239&start=240#p1522958

What do you mean “cyclist supporting lobby”? Road users have an equal right to use roads. There is a whole other debate over right vs licence to use public highways, in that pedestrians and cyclists are there by right, whilst motor vehicles are there by licence.

It’s the idea that cyclists should be on the roads mixed with heavy motor traffic,because it’s their bs ‘right’ to put themselves in harms way,when there’s usually plenty of alternative pavement space available,often even marked for shared cyclist/pedestrian use as in that example,which is actually the problem.Until that idea changes then cyclists will continue to get flattened in ever increasing numbers together with calls for drivers to face ever more severe penalties in a vain attempt to stop the inevitable.

[scanner]

Carryfast:

Scanner:

Carryfast:

MisterStrood:

Boomerang Dave:

MisterStrood:
Let me guess…

Do you have more detailed information than Avon & Somerset Police are releasing? do spill the beans - like exactly where was this? which way were they travelling etc? what happened?

Here’s the official press release from the police - doesn’t tell us if there was a cycle lane to the side or which way they were heading - no real details: Keep in mind that the driver has been released and no mention of a charge as yet!

Media Release: 26/07/2013 8:21
We are appealing for witnesses and information following a fatal road traffic collision in Avonmouth last night (Thursday 25th July 2013). 


The incident occurred on the A403 St Andrews Road/Kingsweston Lane at around 7pm. 


A male cyclist was in collision with a lorry and died at the scene. 

The driver of the lorry, a 37-year-old man, has been arrested and has been released on bail pending further enquiries. 


Anyone who was in the area at the time and witnessed this collision is asked to contact the collision investigation unit on 101 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Than be bothered and look at the picture in the link - what do you see ? I see a cycle-path that is hardly noticeable for 99.90% of cyclists I see every day. I just judge from the experience.

This sort of signs actually means something
0

We’ve been here before on this topic but the biased ■■■■■■,just like all the majority of the cyclist supporting lobby,just ignores anyone who beats him on that argument so you’re probably wasting your time.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102239&start=240#p1522958

What do you mean “cyclist supporting lobby”? Road users have an equal right to use roads. There is a whole other debate over right vs licence to use public highways, in that pedestrians and cyclists are there by right, whilst motor vehicles are there by licence.

It’s the idea that cyclists should be on the roads mixed with heavy motor traffic,because it’s their bs ‘right’ to put themselves in harms way,when there’s usually plenty of alternative pavement space available,often even marked for shared cyclist/pedestrian use as in that example,which is actually the problem.Until that idea changes then cyclists will continue to get flattened in ever increasing numbers together with calls for drivers to face ever more severe penalties in a vain attempt to stop the inevitable.

So if I cycle from Brent Cross to Ealing for example, I can either:

Use the cycle paths, which are sub-standard, incomplete, strewn with litter, shared with people and animals, cross many side-roads, force me to use a footbridge to the opposite side that I want to be, then force me to use a subway to get back on track.

Or

Use the A406, which is usually heavily congested and where I find motor vehicles holding me up for most of the journey.

Which would you choose?

[billybigrig]

It’s all about perception really…

For example this is how one such sad loss of life was reported

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The latest cyclist to be killed on London’s roads was today described as “the greatest bloke in the world”
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Despite the efforts of a passing first aider, he was pronounced dead at the scene. The male driver of the Dutch-registered lorry which hit him has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by careless driving.
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standard.co.uk/news/london/c … 92277.html

The London Cycling Campaign said what it called the “large number” of cyclists and pedestrians killed in crashes with lorries had to be addressed.

The spokesman said: “Much more must be done to protect cyclists and pedestrians, which means making sure every lorry on London’s streets is driven by someone who’s had cyclist-awareness training (preferably on a bike, as well as in a classroom) and all lorries have the best safety equipment such as mirrors, cameras and sensors.”
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20624639

Saintly cyclists and arrested killer truckers is how the media and public perceive it

Why should all the onus for prevention be on the driver ■■ Cyclists need to accept a fair share of this and they, being the vulnerable parties need defensive training themselves.

Some time later, it transpires this is what actually happened…

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A cyclist was dragged to his death under the wheels of an HGV after misjudging an attempt to ride across a road, an inquest heard.
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A schoolboy who witnessed the accident, but who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: “His bike clipped the kerb which caused him to go out of control and swerve.

“He was pedalling to try to keep some speed so he could get in front of the lorry so he could get across, but he didn’t.”
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Dutch lorry driver Leendert Spierings broke down in tears as he told the inquest through an interpreter: “I’m still broken by this.”
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standard.co.uk/news/london/c … 36120.html

Net result… one tragic, clearly avoidable loss of life and one poor man just doing his job mentally scarred

Something needs to be done in a joint effort of education and cooperation to stop this. ■■■■■■■ and ■■■■■■■■ about rights, licences and moral high grounds isn’t helping.

[scanner]

A schoolboy who witnessed the accident, but who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: “His bike clipped the kerb which caused him to go out of control and swerve.

“He was pedalling to try to keep some speed so he could get in front of the lorry so he could get across, but he didn’t.”
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All the training in the world isn’t going to eradicate stupidity. If this account is true, it was the cyclists own actions that caused his death.

[billybigrig]

Scanner:
A schoolboy who witnessed the accident, but who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: “His bike clipped the kerb which caused him to go out of control and swerve.

“He was pedalling to try to keep some speed so he could get in front of the lorry so he could get across, but he didn’t.”
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All the training in the world isn’t going to eradicate stupidity. If this account is true, it was the cyclists own actions that caused his death.

Perhaps, but if the cyclists had been shown how little of him the driver may be able to see then he may have thought twice …■■?

[scanner]

billybigrig:

Scanner:
A schoolboy who witnessed the accident, but who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: “His bike clipped the kerb which caused him to go out of control and swerve.

“He was pedalling to try to keep some speed so he could get in front of the lorry so he could get across, but he didn’t.”
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All the training in the world isn’t going to eradicate stupidity. If this account is true, it was the cyclists own actions that caused his death.

Perhaps, but if the cyclists had been shown how little of him the driver may be able to see then he may have thought twice …■■?

Absolutely, I’m all for awareness, understanding, tolerance and all that good stuff, which I why I said we have an equal right to be on the road. I absolutely agree with you about thow the media portray things for their own circulation figures. What if the guy had been on foot and slipped, what then would people have called for?