I’m a new HGV class 2 driver doing multidrop work but unsure about when i should be having my breaks for WTD.
This is what i currently do:
Drive continuous for 2 hours to my first drop, then do about 3 drops which take approx 1 hour, I then have 15 mins break. Then complete all my drops and then set off back to the depot, i then have 30 mins break when my driving time approaches 4.1/2 hours (this break is taken after a total of about 8 hours on duty) i then usually have approx 1 hours driving left, 30 mins unloading / refueling etc, then clock off.
total duty hours approx 9.1/2.
I know i am taking the correct breaks from driving but am i taking the correct breaks for WTD?
kevin1966:
I’m a new HGV class 2 driver doing multidrop work but unsure about when i should be having my breaks for WTD.
This is what i currently do:
Drive continuous for 2 hours to my first drop, then do about 3 drops which take approx 1 hour, I then have 15 mins break. Then complete all my drops and then set off back to the depot, i then have 30 mins break when my driving time approaches 4.1/2 hours (this break is taken after a total of about 8 hours on duty) i then usually have approx 1 hours driving left, 30 mins unloading / refueling etc, then clock off.
total duty hours approx 9.1/2.
I know i am taking the correct breaks from driving but am i taking the correct breaks for WTD?
YES
Why no?
30min WTD break minimum at/before 6 hours work.
4.5 hours 45 min break can cover this if before/at 6 hour point, if not, take a 30min break at/before 6 hours then another 30min break once you have the maximum driving allowed at 4.5 hours driving.
At the moment your on a “No” 
Rooster:
30min WTD break minimum at/before 6 hours work.
NTSA. 
Total nonsense, where does it say that?
It’s 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours work with the next break either before another 6 hours work or the end of the shift, whichever comes first, unless you reach 4.5 hours driving.
WTD equals employment law and breaks in the work place law, every worker regardless of job is entitled to 30 minute break, at the 6 hour point, trust me this has caught out alot of drivers with tacho infringements.
Its 30 minutes minimum.We take 33 minutes to cover the tacho reqirement.T
"Annex 2 : Working Times Rules page 43, VOSA revised 2009 GV262-02)
Mobile workers must not work for more than six hours before taking a break, if your working time totals between 6 and 9 hours a break or breaks totaling at least 30 minutes must be taken.If more tahn 9 hours this is increased to 45 minutes.
Breaks must be at least 15 minutes duration.
Like the previous poster stated before 6 hours if a break is taken its a minimum of 15 minutes.
Rooster:
WTD equals employment law and breaks in the work place law, every worker regardless of job is entitled to 30 minute break, at the 6 hour point, trust me this has caught out alot of drivers with tacho infringements.
No they haven’t as only 15 minutes is required before exceeding 6 hours. Any company/tranrspot manager giving drivers infringements for taking 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours work should not be running trucks or in the tacho analysis business. Please point out where it states 30 minutes is required at at the 6 hour point.
Rooster:
Its 30 minutes minimum.We take 33 minutes to cover the tacho reqirement.
The tacho doesn’t require a 33 minute break so that’s pointless. If it’s you first break of the day and you are splitting your tacho break then 30 minutes first is a waste of time due to the requirement of a 15 and 30 minute split. It’s also why the WTD only requires a 15 minute break so those regulations align with the tacho rules.
Rooster:
"Annex 2 : Working Times Rules page 43, VOSA revised 2009 GV262-02)Mobile workers must not work for more than six hours before taking a break, if your working time totals between 6 and 9 hours a break or breaks totaling at least 30 minutes must be taken.If more tahn 9 hours this is increased to 45 minutes.
Breaks must be at least 15 minutes duration.
You are quoting it but you are not reading it, see the bits in red.
Ask yourself why you would have to take 30 minutes at 6 hours if you don’t know at that point how many hours work will be in your shift. The 30 minute/45 minute requirement is and either or option, you don’t apply both those requirements to your shift, you apply the one that fits.
Up to 9 hours work then 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours work and the remainder before the end of the shift.
More than 9 hours work then 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours work with the remainder taken as 30 minutes or 2x15 minutes before the end of the shift or another 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours from the end of the first break and the remaining 15 minutes before the end of the shift.
It’s ridiculous that after all this time people are still buying into this must have 30 minutes at 6 hours BS.
LOL, think were stating the same information.
Kev stated 8 hours.
Rooster:
LOL, think were stating the same information.
No we are definitely not. You are incorrectly saying 30 minutes is required before exceeding 6 hours while I am correctly stating that only 15 minutes is required at that point to satisfy the regulations.
See the difference?
Rooster:
Kev stated 8 hours.
He stated 8 hours duty, which has nothing to do with the WTD break requirements. They are triggered by the amount of work, not the amount of duty. You could have a shift of 8 hours with 4 hours 15 minutes driving, 1 hour 30 minutes other work, 2 hours 15 minutes POA and not require any break at all for ether set of regulations.
Agree with you 100%, Ive known drivers to clock off on 6 hours with no break.
Rooster:
Agree with you 100%,
Agreeing with what? The amount of break required at 6 hours? You’re no fun if you change your mind that quickly. I don’t want to play with you any more. 
Rooster:
Ive known drivers to clock off on 6 hours with no break.
Nothing wrong with that. I do a shift of between 8 and 9 hours every night, Monday - Friday, and in the 3 months I have been doing it I haven’t recorded a single break and it is legal for both sets of regulations. Not had any infringements come back in that time.
Hope Kev is now clear on his Q ?
POA, now there’s a debate ! 
Rooster:
Hope Kev is now clear on his Q ?
I doubt it. 
And just to clear up any lingering doubts you may have below is a copy of an email a member on here received from the DfT, the department who run VOSA, when he queried this a few years ago. From THIS THREAD.
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:10:48 +0000
From: Steve.Oliver@dft.gsi.gov.uk
To: @hotmail.co.uk
Subject: re: Working Time DirectiveDear Mr
Thank you for your email of 27 September to the Department for Transport regarding the guidance for Working Time.
Your understanding of the break requirements is not entirely correct. It is not the case that you have to take 30 minutes break immediately after 6 hours work. You must take a 15 minute break (as a break is required after 6 hours work and all breaks must be at least 15 minutes in length).
If you are going to be working between 6 and 9 hours then you must take a total of 30 minutes break. The second 15 minute break could be taken later on, and does not have to be taken straight away.
I hope that clarifies things for you, but let me know if you have any more questions.
Yours Sincerely
Steve Oliver
Policy Advisor
Freight and Logistics DivisionDepartment for Transport
Zone 2/14 Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London SW1P 4DRTel: 020 7944 2756
Fax: 020 7944 2928
Rooster:
POA, now there’s a debate !
Indeed. Up until 3 months ago I had never used it, apart from once when I accidentally selected the wrong mode, I just used break instead. Now thanks to the digi tacho only recording POA for the card in slot 2 while the vehicle is moving I record 4 - 4.5 hours a night of POA.
With regard to the tacho 33 minutes, we are encouraged to have 50 mins for a 4.5 hours driving break.
They pay !
It came about because some drivers were getting infringements for taking 44 minutes , 29 minutes etc, because of not double checking time, on the tacho.
Rooster:
With regard to the tacho 33 minutes, we are encouraged to have 50 mins for a 4.5 hours driving break.They pay !
It came about because some drivers were getting infringements for taking 44 minutes , 29 minutes etc, because of not double checking time, on the tacho.
Although I don’t think you have quite got your head round the RTD regulations yet, you may like to read this thread about allowing extra minutes.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74360&hilit=strasbourg
Oh and by the way the VOSA “guide” you are using is out of date. The new one is called GV262/03
Wheel Nut:
Although I don’t think you have quite got your head round the RTD regulations yet,
Does he really need to ? viewtopic.php?f=7&t=74756
Even more confused by all the conflicting replies. Who is right?
kevin1966:
Even more confused by all the conflicting replies. Who is right?
There was only one conflicting reply and he has now seen the light. You are fine with what you are doing.
ROG:
Wheel Nut:
Although I don’t think you have quite got your head round the RTD regulations yet,Does he really need to ? viewtopic.php?f=7&t=74756
Yes he does, for several reasons.