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citycat, great videos, brought back some memories

Freight Dog… used to work on 747,s like the 200,s that Virgin ran out of Gatwick, boy were they a pos when the rollers on the floor don,t work, pushing double stacked Ford Ranger gearboxes on each skid. Also had the chance for flight on the flight deck on a 747-200 from Gatwick to Toronto and it still amazes me how the pilot is able to follow the center taxi line . Once I came back from Orlando in one of their new 747-400,s and what a difference in power, he took the take off on the roll and let it rip, one could feel the power surge.

Hey Flyer. The 200s, that’s some cool stuff you worked on! They’ve just retired our last classic. I’ve heard it’s a real pig when the rollers pack up. I once saw a stack fall over on a pallet. All the nets had to come off and it all had to be re stacked. It took yonks. We have a cheat for staying on the centre line. If you place the line in the windshield where it would (if it carried on through the cockpit) pass between the 2 screens in front of you then you’ll be on it :wink:

We have a mix of Pratt and General Electric engines and they pull like trains. The pratts howl like V8s, it always makes me smile. If you’re light, even with full reduced thrust it still pins you back.

Anybody care to share how one can get a FD job flying freighters…?

I sort of fell into my current job through redundancy from a regional airline. Like you know you need exactly the same licence (CPL/IR) to sit in the right hand seat of a freighter or passenger aircraft. They follow exactly the same rules and regs. The only extra being the type rating to fly the specific aircraft (747/737/A321 etc).

The freighter companies generally ask for more experience than the passenger airlines. Especially long haul. I’m really not up to speed on the training side anymore. I did it the old self improver route. As a couple of posters above said its getting to be ridiculously expensive now. It’s been ruined by rich young things going through companies like CTC who’ve twisted their parents arms to re mortgage the house. You can still do it in modules. Train for your private licence. Then study at weekends and evenings for the 14 exams. You can then save up for the CPL module and multi engine training module before the IR. Problem is then finding a job. If your aim is freighters the likes of DHL etc will require significant flying time, so you will take any jet job that pays to start with to build experience. Jet 2 actually fly night mail cargo flights on some aircraft as well as passenger and they take people from the much bemoaned CTC.

You seem to be well up to speed on the flying job and what is involved. You’re dead right about CRM. It used to be the Forces guys were in high demand but that has changed and as you say the multi engine guys would be better placed if at all. Even then the days when they could walk into Virgin have gone.

This freighter company occasionally offer a good old fashioned sponsorship. I think you only need a private licence and they’re not ■■■■ about A levels or degrees.

westatlantic.eu/recruitment/ … d-kingdom/

Dead mans shoes then, thanks Freight Dog.

No worries. Don’t lose heart, if it were something you were absolutely hell bent on doing, then there are ways. Just whatever you do make sure you know the colossal financial risks attached to it these days and do stacks of research. If anyone were casually considering it I’d advise finding a more stable profession and flying for fun.

Freight Dog:
No worries. Don’t lose heart, if it were something you were absolutely hell bent on doing, then there are ways. Just whatever you do make sure you know the colossal financial risks attached to it these days and do stacks of research. If anyone were casually considering it I’d advise finding a more stable profession and flying for fun.

Tell this to DAF95XF, I hope he/she is reading this…:slight_smile:

flyer747:
Pimpdaddy, all aircraft with a registration of …N are American registered, like all G,s are English

Precisely, am I right in saying JAA/EASA pilots can’t fly N reg airframes without a valid FAA certificate & vice versa…?

Pimpdaddy:

Freight Dog:
No worries. Don’t lose heart, if it were something you were absolutely hell bent on doing, then there are ways. Just whatever you do make sure you know the colossal financial risks attached to it these days and do stacks of research. If anyone were casually considering it I’d advise finding a more stable profession and flying for fun.

Tell this to DAF95XF, I hope he/she is reading this…:slight_smile:

I am :wink:
Still reading the PMs that Freight Dog sent me about it a whilst ago :sunglasses:

DAF95XF:
I am :wink:
Still reading the PMs that Freight Dog sent me about it a whilst ago :sunglasses:

Sweet, start making your contacts now, FD might be a future CP…:wink::lol:

Pimpdaddy:

DAF95XF:
I am :wink:
Still reading the PMs that Freight Dog sent me about it a whilst ago :sunglasses:

Sweet, start making your contacts now, FD might be a future CP…:wink::lol:

I think I’m too old to do it now :frowning:

Like you say only FAA guys can fly N reg :frowning: . Wish we could work over in the states they’ve far more jobs going. A mate of mine married an American girl and managed to get his visa sponsored. I see you used to be able to get sponsored to drive in Canada, do people do that in the US?

When my missus first joined the airline, and went to the training centre in Chicago for several weeks, we were just boyfriend/girlfriend at the time. When she came back, she’d been issued with an official United tee shirt that said ‘Marry me, and Fly Free’. So I did :laughing:

One of the great things about the airline industry are the travel perks. You either get an ID00 pass (interline discount I think it stands for?) where you just pay an admin charge and airport taxes, or you get an ID90 which is 90% off the economy fare. So if the fare from LHR to Los Angeles and back is $1000 US, then we would pay only $100 US (£80 or thereabouts). On United, it is there policy to always allocate staff or dependants a Business class seat unless the flight is choccablock full, then you might get bumped down into Economy with the riff raff. :laughing:

When she first started flying, it was always on a ID00 where the admin charge and taxes were peanuts, so I used to go on trips when she was working whenever I could. It was like a mini break. She just did a few hours work, then it was onto the crew minibus for the trip to the layover hotel for the night, always in four star style properties because airline unions demand a minimum standard for their members. Due to the time difference being six to eight hours behind the UK, there was always time for some sightseeing, even on a three day trip, so it was great. I clocked up some miles and it was nice to see how the other half lived in the Business cabin while paying practically nothing. However, the airport taxes have gone up so much in the past few years that you can’t really just go on a whim anymore. Don’t get me wrong, the travel is still a great perk but not the bargain that it used to be.

While doing some trips, it was amazing to see how much it cost the airline when things break down. Going mechanical the staff call it. One time, I went with the wife to Washington when she worked a trip. Coming back, we were all boarded for the flight to LHR and ready to go. However, the Captain informed us there was a problem with the cabin pressurisation. The airline mechanics worked on it but couldn’t get the system to function properly. Eventually, the flight had to be cancelled. There was no spare aircraft available so passengers and crew had to be bussed to an airport hotel for the night. Next day, the plane was fixed so we were all bussed back and the flight resumed. My wife later revealed that the problem had been some small valve or O ring which had cost just a few dollars to replace. However, the cost to United in paying out for a hotel for 350 passengers and all the crew, having the aircraft in the wrong place for its onward flights, having the cabin crew and pilots several hours behind their work schedule and in the wrong place (especially the pilots as the cabin crew were LHR based), and having their overtime payments etc. The knock on effect of a faulty $12 valve or O ring ran into thousands of dollars for the airline.

Another time in Chicago, my wife discreetly came up to me in my seat just before departure and told me they were having problems with one of the computers. I went and stood with her in the forward Business galley, and watched a mechanic coming up the jetway, gingerly carrying some sort of electrical gizmo, the size of a shoebox. Catching my eye, he drawled “I’ve gotta to be careful I don’t drop this baby. This onboard computer costs more than my whole four bedroom house with double garage”. Blimey :open_mouth:

I’ve talked about getting to live the Business class life for a few hours. But on three occasions I got to live the First class life. It is possible to get upgraded to First class if it suits the gate check in staff when allocating staff standby seats. One time I got the ‘golden ticket’ and went to sit down in the gate area with all the other passengers to await boarding. Although I was dressed smart/casual, I noticed some businesswoman looking at me with real disdain, like I was some Economy seat pleb. Maybe it was because I used to wear my hair a bit longer in those days. I don’t know? Anyway, she really looked down her nose at me, which I ignored. When the gate agent came on the p.a to start the boarding, she said “Good evening, we’d like to commence boarding by inviting our First class customers to come forward” Only four people stood up including me. The face on that businesswoman was a picture when she saw me stand up and stroll past her. I could feel her watching me all the way to the gate, convinced I didn’t have a First class ticket and would be turned back. However, I was warmly greeted and waved through. It was a real case of ’ don’t judge a book by its cover’ love !!! Hahahaha :laughing:

Freight Dog, for driving in Canada check out the ex pats forum as there are lots of ex pats on here driving in Canada
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citycat…when I was working at Gatwick I became good buddies with an American engineer working for Delta and used to get buddy passes, when he knew I was coming over to the US to get married he gave me an envelope with 2 passes in and said congrats. In truth there,s nothing like flying back and forth in business class :wink: :smiley:
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DAF95XF:
I think I’m too old to do it now :frowning:

Maybe not, Ive heard of guys in their 40s get into things like Jet2 & biz jets, today it’s all about money & contacts, who knows what it’ll be about tomorrow.

Pimpdaddy:

DAF95XF:
I think I’m too old to do it now :frowning:

Maybe not, Ive heard of guys in their 40s get into things like Jet2 & biz jets, today it’s all about money & contacts, who knows what it’ll be about tomorrow.

I’ll look into it further then :wink:

DAF95XF:
I’ll look into it further then :wink:

Theres another guy tho used to drive waste/chemical tankers who ended up at TOM & now he’s with QR waiting for command…

Pimpdaddy:

DAF95XF:
I’ll look into it further then :wink:

Theres another guy tho used to drive waste/chemical tankers who ended up at TOM & now he’s with QR…

Don’t know how, or who to speak to… :confused:

DAF95XF:
Don’t know how, or who to speak to… :confused:

People like Freight Dog are handy to know :wink:, PPRuNe is handy but there’s a lot to sift through (the closer the progress of people at the level you want the better the info I.e don’t look at sections where captains are chatting, they have no clue about training dilemmas at entry level), google, magazines like flyer (exhibitions too), loop, pilot etc. FTOs have info but will tell you what you want to hear, remember they are a business. I’d be happy to help you too but I must highlight that I’m not a pilot, I’m a tool as stated on here & I talk a lot of zb:lol::lol: