Yes! A bit harsh to sack the driver but!! 
Read the post above again and was very harsh to sack the driver for a headbord marker light! but it was VOR though! 
Your OP stated 25 ton and above estimated at 38+ ton so was a trick question wasn’t it? 
That load if at 25 ton is what I pull every night with no problems! Even my mpg is OK with a DD on all the time! 
Kerbdog:
Well, it turns out that them pallets on the front are batteries for ASDA (your standard smart price batteries). There is actually 18 tonne in the first 6 pallet spaces there. The back 10 pallets (what you can’t see) weigh a little over a tonne each and were for the first delivery so would come off through the back doors on a loading bay and then you would travel onward. As it turned out the total weight of the trailer was estimated by the driver to be 52/53 tonne. Overloading in this company is regular occurance along with a few other anomalies that get a blind eye turned to.Anyway the driver got sacked yesterday for taking a trailer out to do a collection 10 miles away that had been VOR’d as it needed a top marker light bulb replacing. This place where I am push the drivers a lot to get the work done, there were no other empty trailers in the yard and nobody is in the office on the night shift what he was working so he decided to take the trailer. He had apparantly had the trailer the night before. He was pulled into the office after being allowed to do his full next shift and he said that they told him that he had broke the law, if vosa had have pulled him then theyd have thrown the book at the company and it’s op’s license (how they’d have known that it was VOR’d is beyond me. VOSA would probably have picked up on the bulb that was out). Do you think he has been unfairly treated and do you think that this is a bit of double standards.
Yeah, I think that is harsh but drivers taking it on themselves to take something out that’s VOR’d can’t really be allowed particularly if they don’t know what the fault is. If the driver knew it was a marker bulb and used his initiative and a customer didn’t get let down I’d have thought most companies would be pleased.
There are issues with drivers unwittingly taking VOR’d stuff and a lot of big yards don’t have good enough systems with locking away keys putting on suzie/king pin locks etc.
looking at the picture if there was so much weight im sure the bottom 3 pallets would be a bit more crushed down even the pallets themselves look straight with no bending in them
What I’m tyring to say is the load’s get estimated, if they add up to a bit too much then they get estimated a bit lower until they do. I asked a driver today does this always happen, he said they usually estimate 500kilo’s for the batteries. This time they’d estimated 28 pallets at 7 tonne, which means each pallet had to be an average of 250 kilo’s. To me it’s bang out of order.
The manifest said the batteries were 7 tonne but in reality they were 18 tonne. Can you imagine the counter balance of the weight if the driver would have taken this load out and then unloaded the first 10 pallets at the first drop ? The reason I asked the question in the way I did is to see whether you would question the weight of them pallets a) from just looking at them (most of you assumed it was because of the way they were stacked), b) then to see if you would question 28 pallets that size only weighing 7 tonne !
I’ve packed in with this company today (even though I’m through the agency). Terrible practices and a terrible company. Not 1 driver has a good word to say about them. What really annoyed me was yesterday. 21 calls in 3 hours 30 minutes, I left the yard at 12.20 with 7 drops, and was called at 13.25 to find out if I’d done them all. Total number of phone calls this week was over a hundred. Mainly harrassing to find out where you are despite the fact they can see exactly were you are with the sat track !
wigan:
looking at the picture if there was so much weight im sure the bottom 3 pallets would be a bit more crushed down even the pallets themselves look straight with no bending in them
I don’t think there’s as much weight on there as now stated. If it was car batteries maybe. Regular batteries have quite a bit of air from the packaging. They’re usually heavy pallets but not mad heavy.
wigan:
looking at the picture if there was so much weight im sure the bottom 3 pallets would be a bit more crushed down even the pallets themselves look straight with no bending in them
Pic from inside which was taken a while after the load was loaded ! Trailer had only been moved around the yard !
wigan:
looking at the picture if there was so much weight im sure the bottom 3 pallets would be a bit more crushed down even the pallets themselves look straight with no bending in them
Heavy enough to rip the mudguard as the yard shunter turned a 90 degree right turn around the building in the yard !
Weighbridge please!
dessy:
:shock: Weighbridge please!
I think so 
Alot of drivers on here are on drugs! 
Well done kerbdog for fobbing them off! I’ll give you more smileys, if you name and shame them!
Kerbdog:
wigan:
looking at the picture if there was so much weight im sure the bottom 3 pallets would be a bit more crushed down even the pallets themselves look straight with no bending in themPic from inside which was taken a while after the load was loaded ! Trailer had only been moved around the yard !
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While someone was up there taking a photo it was a good opportunity to put a strap over that few pulls of the handle and that would straighten right back up a treat.
was this your load as you seem to have an awfull lot of pictures of it from inside and outside
did the load go out or not as you move on to say the driver got sacked for taking anothere trailer out with a blown bulb
and what i dont get is if they push the drivers that much with time , phone calls and overloading why would they sack a driver for going out with just a blown bulb as we all no bulbs can blow at anytime and if that was all that was wrong with the trailer cant see vosa going overboard on the driver if everything else was ok
sorry if this seems picky but just reading into it
yeah crack on? 
wtf …and before i get shot down, i did years on italy-uk groupage, and our loads would travel quite happily IN A MAXIMUM 4 METRE HEIGHT TILT !!! fraid i agree with the O.P…like f would i run a b 'block of flats’dub-decker trailer with a multi stacked load as evidenced by the last photo -no tilt boards,no strength in a non load bearing side sheet. The first photo shows clearly that the trailer is a euroliner type construction and therefore was designed and built to derive its lateral strength,load retaining capability and mainframe structural rigidity with the use of ALL its vert.pillars and timbersfitted and the rdy load looks poised to avalanche all over the place at the first corner…etc … rant over- just my tupnyworth cheers chaps d
It was another drivers load, he refused to take it but not because of the weight, but because of the fact there were no straps. That’s why the yard shunter pulled it out of the way as the driver was sitting there until the office came in, thats when the weight became an issue as the yard shunter ripped the mudguard off pulling it out of the way. They asked me to move it back after I’d run in from a night out (I don’t know who or where the original driver had gone), that’s when I took the pics. I undone the mudguard and refitted it and to be honest, the mudguard was fine. I done the curtains up as just before I moved it back we got a fork lift to try and push the pallets back straight but they were so heavy they wouldn’t budge. I strapped the curtains up and it was unloaded from the back forwards. The batteries are in very small boxes. The reason for the lean was the bottom boxes were slightly over hanging the pallet which caused the whole stack on top to lean. What starts as a slight lean of maybe 1 degree at the bottom is a bit more like 7 or 8 degrees lean by the time it gets to the top (9 foot higher). Nothing was damaged but the load was split down and eventually went out in 2 seperate loads.
The point of using the photo’s in regards to the lad who got sacked was to show the double standard. They used the argument that VOSA could have stopped him with a trailer that had been VOR’d (how would VOSA know that anyway), yet they have far more serious issues going on from their own doing as you can see.
All VOSA would be interested in is the actual defect if he was pulled and a marker light out is about as tame as it gets. In fact they like to find something so you can say ‘oh it was fine when I did my walkaround look here’s my defect book I’II change it now thanks for pointing it out Mr VOSA man’
VOSA like operator’s to have robust internal procedures like VOR’ing for ensuring safety but don’t directly police it.
Own Account Driver:
All VOSA would be interested in is the actual defect if he was pulled and a marker light out is about as tame as it gets. In fact they like to find something so you can say ‘oh it was fine when I did my walkaround look here’s my defect book I’II change it now thanks for pointing it out Mr VOSA man’VOSA like operator’s to have robust internal procedures like VOR’ing for ensuring safety but don’t directly police it.
Pretty much what I think too !
sorry for this but whilst working as a c+e shunter/cb flt op — i sent worse than that out of the warehouse at baylis distribution (moore in cheshire) — it looks lovely and well balanced and hell the trailer’s got curtains hasn’t it !!! this how my then boss used to say do things… go figure cos they got bought out by cullina and then the site got sold cos they’re going to put a tin box loading/tipping dock from the manchester ship canal in it’s place…
and after reviewing the picture i’d ask for it to be tipped arse end first !!! or is it a multi drop ■■?
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
You never loaded at an Italian groupage house have you! That load is sound
Bingo 
Even the small gaps would have been filled if possible!
Seems fairly obvious to me that the load is unsafe even if it’s not overweight .The boxes have crushed from the weight on top and are only supported by the product inside the boxes ,plus there are all the unsecured pallets with fragile stickers all over them not very professional at all and i strongly suspect that if vosa will chain my truck to the floor for a missing bolt cap then they will just set fire to that trailer
