anon84679660:
I actually thought I would need to apply a 24 hrs period to my today’s shift starting at 06:15 am, and no matter what time I finish, (as long as I do not work more than 15 hrs off course) I would still need to give it 24 hrs, and could start at 06:16 the following day (Wednesday), at the earliest.
A “period of 24 hours” mentioned in the EU regulations does not necessarily last for the whole 24 hours.
Think of the period of 24 hours as being the maximum amount of time you’re allowed before completing the daily rest period.
A new period of 24 hours begins at the end of a daily/weekly rest period, or at the start of a shift if you prefer to think of it that way.
Lets say you started today at 06:15 finished at 17:15 and then had an 11 hour daily rest period before starting work again, even though that’s only 22 hours from the start of the shift to the end of the daily rest period, it’s the end of that period of 24 hours and a new period of 24 hours begins as soon as you start the new shift tomorrow.
anon84679660:
Lets say I’ve just finished my 45 mins break, which ended at 12:00 and as soon as it ended I started driving and other work, but at 12:30 I stopped and 12:30 and switched to POA. I restarted driving and other work at 14:00.
Question: What time at the latest do I need to take my 30 mins break, is it before 18:00 or before 19:30 as my 6 hrs working time was extended by that 1:30 hrs of POA, taken between 12:30 and 14:00
As ROG has said POA doesn’t count as working time, so you would need to start a 15 minute break no later than 19:30.
You need a 15 minute break for the 6 hour rule not a 30 minute break.
Thank you Tachograph for explaining that.
Yes, 15 mins before the end of 6 hrs work period and another 15 mins before the end of 9 hrs work period.
Sorry I couldn’t reply earlier but only just got back from work.
anon84679660:
15 mins before the end of 9 hrs work period.
No such rule
The RTD has two sets of rules and many get them mixed up
There are rules for the max of work between breaks and what the minimum of each break can be
That is the 6 hour rule and the 15 min rule
There are rules for the total amount of break taken for the amount of working time done in a shift
Total amount of work in a shift between 6 and 9 hours requires total break time of 30 mins
OR - not both
Total amount of work in a shift over 9 hours requires total break time of 45 mins
Thanks ROG for replying.
Now, this is getting really confusing.
To me what I had written and what you’ve replied both look the same.
So:
How much break do I need to take before my 6 hours period ends?
2.How much break do I need to take before my 9 hrs period ends?
How much break do I need when working over 9 hrs in total?
I thought I need to start my break before my 6 hrs period ends, take at least 15 mins (or 30 mins, then if I took 30 mins I would be able to work until the end of my 9th hour of work), do some work take another 15 mins before my 9 hrs limit of work runs out.
If working over 9 hrs I would need to take another 15 mins.
Am I right here?
anon84679660:
Thanks ROG for replying.
Now, this is getting really confusing.
To me what I had written and what you’ve replied both look the same.
So:
How much break do I need to take before my 6 hours period ends?
2.How much break do I need to take before my 9 hrs period ends?
How much break do I need when working over 9 hrs in total?
I thought I need to start my break before my 6 hrs period ends, take at least 15 mins (or 30 mins, then if I took 30 mins I would be able to work until the end of my 9th hour of work), do some work take another 15 mins before my 9 hrs limit of work runs out.
If working over 9 hrs I would need to take another 15 mins.
Am I right here?
Sorry, won’t be able to reply until night time.
Thank you
1 - its ANY period of 6 hours of work not just first 6 hours = 15 mins
2 - no rule for that
3 - 45 mins in total
Perhaps a legal example would help … lets assume total driving time for the whole shift is less than 4.5 hours so no driving time breaks are needed
(work = work/drive)
Shift starts at 0600
work 0600 - 1200 = 6 hours
break (A) 15 mins
work 1215 - 1815 = 6 hours
break (B) 15 mins
work 1830 - 2030 = 2 hours
break (C) 15 mins
work 2045 - 2100 - 15 mins
Shift ends at 2100
If break (A) had been 20 mins and break (B) 25 mins then there would be no need for break (C)
work
7415963:
hi, i am currently working through my hgv class 2 then class 1 and would like some clarification on working hours.
i currently work between 55 and 60 hours driving a forklift in a warehouse (nights) and would like to do agency work on the weekends when i get my licence but having looked into working time rules i already do more hours “work” than drivers are allowed so i would not have any working hours left to drive on a Sunday.
am i correct on this that i would be unable to do odd days driving to get experience without having to book holidays with my current job
matthew
Am I missing something here?
The OP works 55+ hours (say Mon-Fri) and wants to drive at the weekend. So he is presumably going to have to keep a diary or a log book recording the hours worked (at his normal job) and his driving work for the 28 days prior to getting in the cab. So when is his weekly rest period? He might be able to drive one day a month with a 24 hr rest on the Saturday, but surely that’s about all he can do.
When I do agency Fri, Sat & Sun, I always make sure that there are two consecutive midweek days when I am not doing a non driving job. So drive Fri, Sat, Sun. Then Mon & Tue weekly rest. Wed & Thu other job, but finish at least 11 hrs (occasionally 9hrs) before start of Fri driving. Or take rest days Wed and Thu. I can keep track of this easily.
ROG:
mon to fri work in a non EU regs job allows them to generally drive under EU regs one day every other weekend
How do you pay back the weekly rest reduction if thats the case?
Lets say the usual job is from 0700 to 1800 and driving is done on Sat from 0600 to 1900
That leaves a reduced weekly rest of 36 hours with 9 to pay back
The non driving weekend is 61 hours off so easily fits 45+9=54
If we must average 48 hours per week and he’s already doing 55 per week in another job how does that leave any scope for driving ?
Plus, if he’s already doing 55 hours isn’t there a rule which says we can only do 60 hours per week. So even if he could drive wouldn’t that mean he could only do a 5 hour shift ?
If we must average 48 hours per week and he’s already doing 55 per week in another job how does that leave any scope for driving ?
Plus, if he’s already doing 55 hours isn’t there a rule which says we can only do 60 hours per week. So even if he could drive wouldn’t that mean he could only do a 5 hour shift ?
If the 55 hours is not under the RTD but the WTD then those 55 hours do not count for RTD
RTD hours can count for WTD but not the other way around from reading the rules on both
The WTD does not have a max limit
If we must average 48 hours per week and he’s already doing 55 per week in another job how does that leave any scope for driving ?
Plus, if he’s already doing 55 hours isn’t there a rule which says we can only do 60 hours per week. So even if he could drive wouldn’t that mean he could only do a 5 hour shift ?
If the 55 hours is not under the RTD but the WTD then those 55 hours do not count for RTD
RTD hours can count for WTD but not the other way around from reading the rules on both
The WTD does not have a max limit
hmmmm I know what ur saying rog but that’s like saying because your a carer ( looking after your dear old dad and getting paid for it ) you don’t have to show it as work for the EU drivers hours when you drive on the weekend …Just saying
ROG:
If the 55 hours is not under the RTD but the WTD then those 55 hours do not count for RTD
RTD hours can count for WTD but not the other way around from reading the rules on both
The WTD does not have a max limit
hmmmm I know what ur saying rog but that’s like saying because your a carer ( looking after your dear old dad and getting paid for it ) you don’t have to show it as work for the EU drivers hours when you drive on the weekend …Just saying
Recording other work for the EU driver regs is different from the hours that count for the RTD
