Wolter KOOPS truck confiscated

[mike-c]

zippo:
It’s no rumour old boy, I was parked next to the KOOPS truck, the vosa guy was quite talkative and friendly.
So he told me that he was confiscating the truck.
The two drivers were quite shocked I would say.
I don’t know how much they are allowed to say to be honest, so I will leave it at that.
But maybe someone at commercial motor could talk to vosa.
Or maybe they allready have.

When you first said ‘confiscated’ i assumed you meant ‘imobilised’. I still do. As far as i understand VOSA do not have any power to confiscate anyones truck.

[carryfast]

Mike-C:

Carryfast:

irishexpat:

Carryfast:

irishexpat:

zippo:
Good news for anyone sick of polish ect running around on uk traction.
Vosa have confiscated one of KOOPS new actros tractors today at killingholme.
Reason’ cabotage.
Vosa get a lot of stick on here, some of it deserved, but, they are the only ones doing anything about the free for all that is road haulage these days.

Tell ya what, your just racist! Plain and simple! There taking our work, jobs, houses! Get a life ffs!

No mate Hitler’s lot of nutters and those who support/ed his ideas are/were racists.
There’s a big difference between that and just being against ethnic integration and being for looking after our own different national identity and economic interests and our own different ethnic groups and nations.Which is actually what the slavic nations are all about wether it’s voting for each other in the eurovision song contest or getting as much as they can from the developed western world to make themselves better off etc etc.

and britain isnt helping better eu countries, buy helping with big bail outs to keep them afloat, while a majority of there own people are struggling with poverty. britain has got britain in to the mess its in, not the polish.

The reason why the EU needs bail outs to keep it afloat is because of the knock on effects of allowing EU enlargement in which the ex eastern bloc were net beneficiaries while it’s obviously Britain (and as usual a reluctant Germany) which has to pay for it all and in which the other poorer EU countries like Portugal,Greece and Spain are net losers which we’ve also got to pay for.All to make a political point that Eastern Europe should be part of Western Europe.Which it isn’t and never was.

Hitler’s answer to that was to brand the slavic states as unter mensch who needed to be liquidated that’s racism.

Whereas leaving the EU and saying to the slavs zb off leave us alone and stand on your own feet by us stopping all further payments and providing economic trading barriers which benefit our own industry isn’t.That’s called acting in the national interest by protecting the domestic economy from unfair competition in the form of what is effectively loss leader dumping of both goods and services being traded at below cost price in order to put the domestic industries out of business,thereby forming a type of EU slavic monopoly in the longer term,all done using our own money to subsidise them.We’re being taken for mugs all based on some bs guilt trip concerning what Hitler did years ago.

And we’re off !!! If you’re gonna get to the War make it quick, i’m not sure how many pages these threads can actually go to !!

Only one line just to make the point concerning the difference between what is an insult to the ‘real’ victims of ‘real’ racism compared to too many people jumping on the R word bandwagon,everytime that there’s an argument,concerning the national interest.Wether that’s immigration issues,or as in this case,a simple trade dispute.It’s obvious that we’re being taken for mugs within the EU by the dumping of road transport services which are putting our own at a disadvantage.Wether that’s in the form of excessive cabotage operations,or cheap rate dumping of international haulage capacity often running loads between Britain and other west european states using cheap rate third party east european transport operations.

We can’t afford this type of competition going on when our own industry is on the ropes.So if it’s a domestic load then it goes by British trucks using British drivers and at least 50% of all international freight originating from/leaving or coming into Britain by road has to go on a British truck using a British driver using quota permits.

[orys]

zippo:
Whereas I have to have six weekly inspections, according to the vosa guy in Poland it’s once a year.

AFAIK it’s once a year in most of Europe. Your country choosed to have more inspections. I can’t see how internal matters of your country can in any way put Polish law in different light?

As I mentioned above, Polish MOT checks are a bit more strict than British - more things are checked, we have to do additional MOT every time vehicle was involved in traffic accident etc. I see no problem with that Britain has less requirements (at least for cars) on that field…

[flat_to_the_mat]

orys:

zippo:
Whereas I have to have six weekly inspections, according to the vosa guy in Poland it’s once a year.

AFAIK it’s once a year in most of Europe. Your country choosed to have more inspections. I can’t see how internal matters of your country can in any way put Polish law in different light?

As I mentioned above, Polish MOT checks are a bit more strict than British - more things are checked, we have to do additional MOT every time vehicle was involved in traffic accident etc. I see no problem with that Britain has less requirements (at least for cars) on that field…

Don’t make me laugh ,if Polish MOT’s are stricter why are their roads littered with mobile scrap metal ?
Thought you said you were sodding off anyhow ?

[kr79]

Back in London the amount of cars on various Eastern European plates is unreal. And many of them look like they would struggle to make Dover let alone Warsaw. And before Orys tells me this isn’t true a place I used to work a load of the Eastern Europeans had them and they told me they wasn’t insured mot etc. said so little chance of getting caught it was worth taking the chance.

[irishexpat]

kr79:
Back in London the amount of cars on various Eastern European plates is unreal. And many of them look like they would struggle to make Dover let alone Warsaw. And before Orys tells me this isn’t true a place I used to work a load of the Eastern Europeans had them and they told me they wasn’t insured mot etc. said so little chance of getting caught it was worth taking the chance.

Sure Spain is littered with uk reg cars, pubs, cafes, that’s just the way it is! It’s ok for the Brits to go live and work in other countries, but when the tables are turned its a different ball game lol! Who wouldn’t want to come here sure the BENIFITS of living here are great

[turnip]

switchlogic:
Did you know that The Rolling Stones and the Beatles were both Polish and that the wheel, bread and daylight were invented in Poland too? One for the fact fans.

Yeh ! Everyone knows that.
But as most kids in Poland are actually British truckers offspring and British people were sporned by polish sailors who were in fact fathered by Mongols. Does it really matter.

Orys you are banned from replying to this cos a ;- your posts are too long and b:- it’s a joke. Ok.

[kr79]

No I know Spain’s the same I know a few Brits who live there take the ■■■■ with old scrapers. That and the all the English breakfast for 2 euro cafes and pubs called the red lion playing only fools and horses on loop while selling John smiths and paddy mcgintys genuine Irish pub have ruined Spain. What’s wrong with going to Spain having a San Miguel and a bit of tapas. Never understood that thing of going to another country and trying to make it as much like a week in Clacton as possible.
I’ve just moved abroard funny enough thought I’d become a undesirable forigener carving the job up for the locals.

[tanktrotter]

Something tells me your a troll and coming on here to wind people up why don’t you go and do one

[switchlogic]

Mike-C:
When you first said ‘confiscated’ i assumed you meant ‘imobilised’. I still do. As far as i understand VOSA do not have any power to confiscate anyones truck.

They do, and they do. Nolans recently lost a truck permemantly and O’Leary lost a couple. Quite widely reported.

[harry_monk]

An Italian truck driver has been fined £1,000 and had his vehicle worth £46,000 confiscated for falsifying tachograph records.

Carlisle Magistrates Court was told how on 30 June a Volvo FH12 artic - owned and operated by Autuori Trasporti based in south-west Italy - was stopped by a Vosa officer in the Penrith area.

The officer suspected that the vehicle was fitted with a device which interfered with the correct function of the tachograph.
It was prevented from going back on the road for 24 hours and parked up at Penrith Truckstop.

On 1 July, the driver Riccardo Poliandri, 39, was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to make a false tachograph record.

The vehicle was seized and ■■■■■■■ police discovered that a manipulation had occurred in the recording equipment that allowed the driver to record rest while driving.

Poliandri pleaded guilty to four offences, including one of falsifying a tachograph record, and was fined £250 for each offence with £85 costs and £15 victim surcharge.

The prosecution made an application for a confiscation order on the FH12 Poliandri had been driving, and the order was granted by District Judge Chalk.

commercialmotor.com/latest-n … ates-court

Strictly speaking though, Mike is right. A truck can’t be confiscated by VOSA, only by court order.

[orys]

flat to the mat:
Don’t make me laugh ,if Polish MOT’s are stricter why are their roads littered with mobile scrap metal ?
Thought you said you were sodding off anyhow ?

The roadworthiness is not determined by vehicle’s look, but by how its systems working. Since average Polish car is about 10 years older than British, and Poland is not the worse on that, it’s obvious that Eastern European cars will look bad compared to shiny British ones. But if anyone offered me to choose between driving British car with 100 000 miles on the clock and Polish car with twice as much, I would not think twice before choosing the Polish one. I can assure you that half of the vans in my place would not pas MOT in Poland. Yet they do no problem in UK despite constant emissions problems, poor brakes and things like that adjustment of the height of headlight is not working in most of them. When I say to my boss that it should be fixed, he looks at me as if I was some kind of idiot.

Moreover, my own car was fixed after the accident and I am fighting the insurer to do it properly… Simply speaking the geometry of the rear axle is ■■■■■■, in simple words car leaves four tracks now. My insurer sees no problem, as according to them “car passed MOT, so it’s all right”. I’ve been to Poland, and did a proper geometry check there, guy told me that if my car was involved in accident in Poland, after being fixed it would have to pass special MOT to check quality of repairs and that there is no way that it will pass it.

My previous car was around 15 years old when I changed it, and I was going with it to Poland on regular basis to disbelief of my British friends, for whom it’s something unthinkable that such an old car can be reliable enough for so long trips. Meanwhile, as you yourself observed, there is plenty of Eastern European cars that make it to England, and I can assure you that most of them don’t have any AA cover or nothing.

Also, amount of broken down cars on the hard shoulders in UK is much bigger than in Poland.

Another example I wrote already above: according to Polish MOT rules, if the vehicle is fitted with something, it has to be in working order. So if you have extra headlights, fog lights, day running lights fitted, they will be checked on MOT. In Britain they only check the minimum required by law.

Britain is great in many things, but actualy when it comes to vehicle maintenance, that is not its strongest point, no matter how much you would like to believe in opposite version.

And I never told I am leaving this thread, I just gave up on conversation with switchlogic, sorry.

[caledoniandream]

The whole conversation about European trucks being worse maintained, can not be proofed with accurate figures.
In Holland they don’t have the six week inspections, but I don’t think the Dutch trucks are in a worse state than British trucks.
Manaufactures have worked over the last 20-30 years that hard to make trucks low maintance, automatic greasing systems, Disc brakes and much higher quality materials.
But Britian still holds on to an old fashioned system based on the quality of 60’s trucks (British maybe?)
The underlying reason is realy something else, A Dutch driver for example has always been required to be half a mechanic, change lightbulbs, adjust drumbrakes, check fluids, repair wiring etc., and change tyres.
It has been always part of our training, for the simple reason that the Dutch driver by law is responsible for his vehicle and is required to assure his vehicle roadworthy.
They don’t use any check list what the driver can fill out in his cab while its raining and stick to fingers up to the world.
they don’t believe in that, the Dutch saying is “A man a Man, A word a word” this means if you get stopped the officer don’t want to see that you can write and fill a little pink sheet in.
No he checks the truck and hold the driver responsible, and the driver get personal charged.
don’t come with the nonsense about bald tyres, they are 100% legal (law is changing / or has changed on that) as long as there is no damage to the cords or the cords are visible. (by the way that doesn’t make them legal to go over the border)

I worked and work for British companies and worked in the past for several Dutch and German companies, and yes there have been Black Sheep everywere, but it never has showed me the advantage of the 6 weeks inspections.
If you look at the fleets and the state of it, than with 9 times more inspections, the British average truck and fleets is not 9 times better than a continental operated fleet.

Realy if I look weekly at the bills for the 6 weekly inspections, the extra’s are mainly Basic stuff the driver could have repaired and / or reported weeks ago.
it sill annoys me after 16 year in Britain to pay GBP 9.00 to replace a Brake light bulb, because “It’s not my job” attitude.

it’s another disadvantage of operating on British plates, but we work in this country so we adapted and swallow.

[gbpub]

orys:
My boss looks at me as if I was some kind of idiot.

Not wrong there is he…

[yorkysays]

GBPub:

orys:
My boss looks at me as if I was some kind of idiot.

Not wrong there is he…

I like his Boss and he knows orys well.

[drew128]

My car is tested in Poland as its registered here. Its done at a testing station rather than an MOTed approved garage, seems to be very spot on, I was quite impressed. Cars in general have a hard life with weather and road conditions, don’t see many broken down, I have been quite surprised since moving here that all the stories told back home appear to be untrue by and large.

The last MOT I had in the UK involved the gent doing it talking to someone on his phone most of the time, then asked me to confirm the rear lights were working, in that respect the PL version the times I have done it seems always consistent.

I apologise as this has nothing to do with confiscation of trucks or Wolter Koops.

[chilistrucker]

kr79:
No I know Spain’s the same I know a few Brits who live there take the ■■■■ with old scrapers. That and the all the English breakfast for 2 euro cafes and pubs called the red lion playing only fools and horses on loop while selling John smiths and paddy mcgintys genuine Irish pub have ruined Spain. What’s wrong with going to Spain having a San Miguel and a bit of tapas. Never understood that thing of going to another country and trying to make it as much like a week in Clacton as possible.
I’ve just moved abroard funny enough thought I’d become a undesirable forigener carving the job up for the locals.

i did wonder how you lot got on in canada?
are you well recieved by the locals, and whats the view on you lot, “nicking their work”
agree with the reference to going to spain, but staying in playa de la southend, i can never work that out.
i may move to canada and set up ye olde chippy.

[orys]

Yorkysays:-:

GBPub:

orys:
My boss looks at me as if I was some kind of idiot.

Not wrong there is he…

I like his Boss and he knows orys well.

Yes. He also says “take van X, there are some bulbs gone in side lights, obviously you haven’t been driving it for a while”.

If someone who changes bulbs when they are burned, who likes to have road worthy vehicle, adjusts mirrors, refills screenwash, likes to have his windscreen clear, straps load down (instead of just putting the pallets on the back of the van and saying “it will be allright” then hearing it slamming into the bulkhead at first red light) and refuses to drive vehicle that has faulty brakes, well if this is definition of idiot, then I am the bigges idiot in my company.

[bigvern1]

Shame they don’t give out metals for vigilance. You’d need 2 jackets to pin them all on.

[billybigrig]

caledoniandream:
The underlying reason is realy something else, A Dutch driver for example has always been required to be half a mechanic, change lightbulbs, adjust drumbrakes, check fluids, repair wiring etc., and change tyres.
It has been always part of our training, for the simple reason that the Dutch driver by law is responsible for his vehicle and is required to assure his vehicle roadworthy.

Any driver worth his salt should be capable of these things CD. Sadly many, of ALL nationalities, simply are not anymore. It’s not necessarily their fault more symptomatic of todays world. When I first started, many moons ago , you were expected to be able to take care of and understand how your lorry worked. I still feel it would be good for all new drivers to have to spend a day in the workshops. Although many things these days are sealed and/or electronic it would do no harm for them to learn how the lorry actually works. It would help them drive more vehicle friendly perhaps reducing wear and tear. It would also teach them to recognise faults which could be rectified quickly and cheaply before they become a major issue.