Most probably a Mercury (which is what it is) with a replacement cab from another vehicle and they didnt take the badge off ,most people on here are aware of the nimble feet the Mercury had so using a 12.47litre AV760 Mandator :open_mouth: :wink: wouldnt make sense and it certainly wouldn`t have been a V8
ramone:
Most probably a Mercury (which is what it is) with a replacement cab from another vehicle and they didnt take the badge off ,most people on here are aware of the nimble feet the Mercury had so using a 12.47litre AV760 Mandator :open_mouth: :wink: wouldnt make sense and it certainly wouldn`t have been a V8
It had its Mandator badge on it when it was new in the emergency vehicle exhibition photo.Just like all those,probably rightly,unwanted chassis sitting on our dem ground had.As for nimble the most important figure in this case was the acceleration and even more so for a refinery tender pumping ability and that takes power the more the better. 
No surprise that they didnāt tell me that they were really gutless and unwanted 8 litre Mercurys sitting there when I asked what they were about as a naive 17 year old in the day. 
From tge studio we go live over to newmercman who is watching events at trucknetuk today.
Hello studio, well things are hotting up over here, Ramone is completely dominating the match, Carryfast has tried a few counter attacks, but Ramone has shut them down easily, itās the most one sided game Iāve seen in a long time, Carryfast has nothing to bring to the game, the score doesnāt reflect the way Ramone has annihilated him, final score.
Ramone 1 - Carryfast 0.
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newmercman:
From tge studio we go live over to newmercman who is watching events at trucknetuk today.Hello studio, well things are hotting up over here, Ramone is completely dominating the match, Carryfast has tried a few counter attacks, but Ramone has shut them down easily, itās the most one sided game Iāve seen in a long time, Carryfast has nothing to bring to the game, the score doesnāt reflect the way Ramone has annihilated him, final score.
Ramone 1 - Carryfast 0.
Be fair ref.
Ramoneās case was dealt a serious blow when he had to resort the idea that the thing had been re cabbed with a Mandatorās cab and the badge got left on it. When the photographic evidence is there that it was badged as a Mandator as a chassis from new and prior to its registration in 1975.Just as I remember the other same type chassis sitting there probably predictably unwanted in late 1976.On that note wrong assumption regards V8 v 6 cylinder Mandator,from an unclear external photo and a quick cursory outside view of a matching batch of parked chassis,as a naive impressionable youth,with the answers to enthusiastic questions regards same not putting me right in the day,isnāt exactly āannihilatedā.Also bearing in mind understandable uncertainty over the actual ultimate availability time line of the V8 as part of that.More like understandable confusion.
With the better question being what were Leyland up to assuming they shipped out a batch of 8 Litre Mercurys to meet what could only logically have been a multiple Mandator ( 760/L12 ? ) order.Which possibly only came to light when it was too late to argue about it and in which case they obviously werenāt going to tell me about it. 
Or
Ramone has put 2 ( first registered in 1975 as a Mandator fire truck ) together with 2 ( now updated registered as a converted,8 litre engined,so called āMercuryā,recovery wagon ) and come up with 6 ( first registered as an 8 litre engined Mercury refinery tender chassis badged as a Mandator in the hope that the customer wouldnāt notice )
Or
There is a third possibility whoever converted the thing to a recovery wagon,like Ramone, āthinksā itās an 8 litre engined Mercury on the basis that no one could have possibly ordered a 4 wheeler Mandator rigid and has told the DVLA that,when in fact itās actually a 760/L12 engined Mandator. 
newmercman:
From tge studio we go live over to newmercman who is watching events at trucknetuk today.Hello studio, well things are hotting up over here, Ramone is completely dominating the match, Carryfast has tried a few counter attacks, but Ramone has shut them down easily, itās the most one sided game Iāve seen in a long time, Carryfast has nothing to bring to the game, the score doesnāt reflect the way Ramone has annihilated him, final score.
Ramone 1 - Carryfast 0.Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
Ha ha nice 1, I think quite a few respected contributors on here have mentioned that the Mercury was the premium 16 tonner of its time so to say it was gutless is a strange comment but then again ā¦
ramone:
newmercman:
From tge studio we go live over to newmercman who is watching events at trucknetuk today.Hello studio, well things are hotting up over here, Ramone is completely dominating the match, Carryfast has tried a few counter attacks, but Ramone has shut them down easily, itās the most one sided game Iāve seen in a long time, Carryfast has nothing to bring to the game, the score doesnāt reflect the way Ramone has annihilated him, final score.
Ramone 1 - Carryfast 0.Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
Ha ha nice 1, I think quite a few respected contributors on here have mentioned that the Mercury was the premium 16 tonner of its time so to say it was gutless is a strange comment but then again ā¦
The AV505 powered Mercury as a 16 ton gvw rigid may or may not have been many things, but gutless it most certainly was not. Speaking from personal experience of having driven more than one of the type.
Carryfast:
newmercman:
From tge studio we go live over to newmercman who is watching events at trucknetuk today.Hello studio, well things are hotting up over here, Ramone is completely dominating the match, Carryfast has tried a few counter attacks, but Ramone has shut them down easily, itās the most one sided game Iāve seen in a long time, Carryfast has nothing to bring to the game, the score doesnāt reflect the way Ramone has annihilated him, final score.
Ramone 1 - Carryfast 0.Be fair ref.
Ramoneās case was dealt a serious blow when he had to resort the idea that the thing had been re cabbed with a Mandatorās cab and the badge got left on it.
With the better question being what were Leyland up to assuming they shipped out a batch of 8 Litre Mercurys to meet what could only logically have been a multiple Mandator ( 760/L12 ? ) order.Which possibly only came to light when it was too late to argue about it and in which case they obviously werenāt going to tell me about it.
Or
Ramone has put 2 ( first registered in 1975 as a Mandator fire truck ) together with 2 ( now updated registered as a converted,8 litre engined,so called āMercuryā,recovery wagon ) and come up with 6 ( first registered as an 8 litre engined Mercury refinery tender chassis badged as a Mandator in the hope that the customer wouldnāt notice )
Or
There is a third possibility whoever converted the thing to a recovery wagon,like Ramone, āthinksā itās an 8 litre engined Mercury on the basis that no one could have possibly ordered a 4 wheeler Mandator rigid and has told the DVLA that,when in fact itās actually a 760/L12 engined Mandator.
Or: none of the above, given that ramone has told you what it was, based on his own correct deduction, then given you the link to the DVLA website, which proves him 100% right and you 100% wrong.
Carryfast:
Trust me. I was there at the timeā¦
I do hope this lasts a little longer. I find it quite amusing. Totally off topic but who cares when CF is happy to āenlightenā us.
gingerfold:
The AV505 powered Mercury as a 16 ton gvw rigid may or may not have been many things, but gutless it most certainly was not. Speaking from personal experience of having driven more than one of the type.
Gutless in the sense of something that realistically needed more than 200 hp,let alone 180 hp,capability. Which would explain why they went to all the trouble of ordering a ā¦Mandator not a Mercury.Bearing in mind that within a few years around 300 + was considered a reasonable output for the type.
Whether Leyland then just ripped everyone off by sticking a Mandator badge on an 8 litre engined Mercury chassis which wasnāt noticed until it was too late to argue about it is the big question.Doubtful.But if so might help to explain us being lumbered with a batch of unwanted chassis and why they āfailedā .
In addition to the idea that,ironically regarding nmmās comments,the 760/L12 Mandator was probably arguably a superior option than the V8 would have been anyway.Especially for a relatively lower stressed output during continuous pumping conditions ?.
[zb]
anorak:
Or: none of the above, given that ramone has told you what it was, based on his own correct deduction, then given you the link to the DVLA website, which proves him 100% right and you 100% wrong.Carryfast:
Trust me. I was there at the timeā¦
Iād suggest that ramoneās case collapsed when he suggested that the thing had been re cabbed with a Mandator cab and the badge then got left on the replacement cab.When the evidence clearly shows that it was badged as a Mandator not a Mercury ābeforeā first registration and delivery to the customer.In which case assuming none of the above what other possible explanation is there for why anyone would have ordered a Mandator,badged as a Mandator,when all they wanted and had actually ordered was supposedly an 8 litre Mercury ?.
While yes I was there in the day and saw all the other unused same type chassis badged just the same.But admittedly might well have got the assumption of V8 v 6 cylinder Mandator wrong.
Its making me smile Dipster too :smiley: , another correction for CF is that they didnt fit the L12 in the Mandator , just the Leylands
Carryfast:
[zb]
anorak:
Or: none of the above, given that ramone has told you what it was, based on his own correct deduction, then given you the link to the DVLA website, which proves him 100% right and you 100% wrong.Carryfast:
Trust me. I was there at the timeā¦
Iād suggest that ramoneās case collapsed when he suggested that the thing had been re cabbed with a Mandator cab and the badge then got left on the replacement cab.When the evidence clearly shows that it was badged as a Mandator not a Mercury ābeforeā first registration and delivery to the customer.In which case assuming none of the above what other possible explanation is there for why anyone would have ordered a Mandator,badged as a Mandator,when all they wanted and had actually ordered was supposedly an 8 litre Mercury ?.
While yes I was there in the day and saw all the other unused same type chassis badged just the same.But admittedly might well have got the assumption of V8 v 6 cylinder Mandator wrong.
The DVLA website says that the vehicle is what Ramone said it was. You stated the exact opposite. His speculation as to the possible cause of your confusion does not alter the fact that you are as wrong as it is possible to be. Can you not read?
ramone:
Its making me smile Dipster too :smiley: , another correction for CF is that they didnt fit the L12 in the Mandator , just the Leylands
middx.net/aec/units/engines1.htm
To be fair I said ā760ā/L12.Although it says here the L12 formed part of āAECāsā engine range fitted to āAECā chassis from 1973 to 1979 ?.In which case exactly what is meant by āAECā chassis in that listing ?.Unless Iāve missed something regarding the difference between 760 v L12.
While an explanation would be good.As to how a wagon clearly badged as a Mandator from new and before it was registered suddenly supposedly became a Mercury at itās date of first reg ?.Which obviously also blows apart the idea of the supposed āreplacementā cab with a Mandator badge left on it.
[zb]
anorak:Carryfast:
[zb]
anorak:
Or: none of the above, given that ramone has told you what it was, based on his own correct deduction, then given you the link to the DVLA website, which proves him 100% right and you 100% wrong.Carryfast:
Trust me. I was there at the timeā¦
Iād suggest that ramoneās case collapsed when he suggested that the thing had been re cabbed with a Mandator cab and the badge then got left on the replacement cab.When the evidence clearly shows that it was badged as a Mandator not a Mercury ābeforeā first registration and delivery to the customer.In which case assuming none of the above what other possible explanation is there for why anyone would have ordered a Mandator,badged as a Mandator,when all they wanted and had actually ordered was supposedly an 8 litre Mercury ?.
While yes I was there in the day and saw all the other unused same type chassis badged just the same.But admittedly might well have got the assumption of V8 v 6 cylinder Mandator wrong.
The DVLA website says that the vehicle is what Ramone said it was. You stated the exact opposite. His speculation as to the possible cause of your confusion does not alter the fact that you are as wrong as it is possible to be. Can you not read?
The DVLA obviously canāt possibly be referring to it being supposedly āfirst registeredā as a Mercury when it was clearly badged as a Mandator when new and ābeforeā first registration and delivery to the customer.IE the date of first reg is all that the updated information shows related to that point not itās original spec at that time.
IE it can only have been a Mercury misrepresented as a Mandator when new.Doubtful but possible.
Or a Mandator when new but now itās been converted to a Mercury spec.Which couldnāt now be described as a Mandator maybe because a Mandator canāt be put with a replacement 8 litre Mercury engine number ?.
ramone:
Its making me smile Dipster too :smiley: , another correction for CF is that they didnt fit the L12 in the Mandator , just the Leylands
I believe that CF is getting mixed up with Trumpton the kids show about the puppets in the Town Fire brigade ! 
I think Matron sticks the CD on for him at his Secure accommodation to get him off to sleep after he has had his Horlics !
Edit to add the DVLA website just provides the date of original reg and its engine status now.It doesnāt differentiate whether it was/is a Mercury or Mandator nor any facility for information regarding any potential spec changes from new. 
Carryfast:
Edit to add the DVLA website just provides the date of original reg and its engine status now.It doesnāt differentiate whether it was/is a Mercury or Mandator nor any facility for information regarding any potential spec changes from new.
Did the company you worked for go bust ? Why would they order lots of AEC chassis without customers to buy them .
ramone:
Carryfast:
Edit to add the DVLA website just provides the date of original reg and its engine status now.It doesnāt differentiate whether it was/is a Mercury or Mandator nor any facility for information regarding any potential spec changes from new.Did the company you worked for go bust ? Why would they order lots of AEC chassis without customers to buy them .
Unfortunately for the discussion they werenāt in the habit of telling 1 year service trainee school leavers like me commercially sensitive information as to how we came to end up with a batch of parked up seemingly unwanted chassis.
But Iād guess it went along the lines of the advantages in purchase cost and production lead times of the multiple order of chassis for stock regards āpotentialā sales rather than chassis only being ordered to customer order.
Balanced against the potential downsides of being lumbered with unwanted redundant chassis.Bearing in mind that lack of sales that wonāt sustain the former will probably eventually take the firm out anyway.
On that note itās more likely that it/they certainly was/were Mandators just not V8ās as Iād wrongly assumed.With the redundant chassis stock probably having more to do with the TM predictably then taking that sector by storm from that point.Than them senselessly being Mercurys dressed up as Mandators.Unless it was the unbelievable worst of all worlds possibility that they somehow ordered 505 engined Mandators for use as refinery tenders which as Iāve said would be expected to be one of the most demanding sub sectors of the emergency vehicle sector in terms of power requirements.
Now come on āCFā you have had us all believing that you were in a senior management position within the firm, going by all the bollox you expected us to swallow, now we find out that you were just āa can ladā i.e. āa Gopherā and a ārubbing ragā, The management probably looked closely at there school leaver intake i.e. You! and decided that if this is the calibre of whatās available we had better kick it into touch forthwith because if this Hero, Geoffrey, ever gets his āGermansā on the levers we will go down the pan faster than a flushed toilet ! Bewick.
Bewick:
Now come on āCFā you have had us all believing that you were in a senior management position within the firm, going by all the bollox you expected us to swallow, now we find out that you were just āa can ladā i.e. āa Gopherā and a ārubbing ragā, The management probably looked closely at there school leaver intake i.e. You! and decided that if this is the calibre of whatās available we had better kick it into touch forthwith because if this Hero ever gets his āGermansā on the levers we will go down the pan faster than a flushed toilet !
Dennis,
Now is under the impression CF was a test jockey for GM on the TMās with Detroitās fitted!