malcolmgbell:
So once every thig is automated what happen to avarage jo, does he get his dole from an automated dole office,with it deliverd in an automated lorry as the money will be worthless as they would have to keep printing it with there automated printers . Which they have all ready got, ain the futer great ye ha
And what about below average Joe that cannot spell? LOL. This is why everything is being automated because humans are too dim to cope.
sounds like your already automated as a spell checker ?
Harry Monk:
If somebody thinks Britain is to busy, have a drive through Germany, and Germany is one of the big investors in this (Bosch, Mercedes, Knorr Bremse, Siemens etc.)
Thought Britain had officially the most congested roads in Europe?
I will say this though, that in the next 100 years they will not invent a truck that can cope with class 1 cash and carry multidrop around Bradford. It just aint happening, full stop.
Just before Christmas I was driving over the M62 through the snow. Suddenly my EBS (electronic brake assist) warning light came on and it told me there was a radar failure. It seems the snow had covered the sensor. Maybe it was the wrong type of snow, but if thatâs all it takes for these automated features to fail, I think my jobs safe for quite a while!
Olog Hai:
Automated trucks will come to yard shunting/dock spotting operations sooner than anything else because it is hardly the most demanding of jobs. All you need is someone opening and closing doors and maybe winding legs up and down, because if a truck can drive itself then it can certainly release fifth wheels and pop shunt buttons itself.
Bking:
Load of [zb] drivel dreamt up by a load of knobs who have never had or ever will have a real job.They get paid for spouting [zb] because thats about all they are fit for.
I think the people at Scania, Volvo, Mercedes, ZF et al probably know a bit more about trucks than you do. Then again, a rotten vegetable probably knows more about trucks than you do.
I dont think so I repair these pieces of crap.Lets see one of these clever aholes replace an apu,a clutch,a wheel?
These morons couldnt repair a 3 pin plug.
I can see technology developing quite rapidly towards some lorries being fitted with an âautopilotâ mode where the vehicle can sometimes drive itself but still requires a driver sat behind the wheel, to take control if need be. The final small step from this to the autonomous driverless lorry is one that is much further into the future (apart from specialist vehicles in closed environments like container ports).
Hybrid technology is well established with cars and buses now, and Iâm sure it will find its way onto lorries, so that they can run on electric power in towns and cities. Battery technology is improving all the time and while the weight penalty is still too great to make a fully electric long-distance lorry viable, hybrids that can do a few miles on a smaller battery make sense. Electric transmission would do away with multi-speed gearboxes and regenerative braking would always recharge the battery, even when the lorry is operating in diesel-electric mode.
My daughter works in an office processing purchase orders and invoices. They used to employ 30+ clerks to do that, but now, even though the company is bigger than it was, they only need four.
The company grows herbs among other things. This is a fully automated operation in huge buildings - from planting the seeds in the pots, all the way to harvest and packaging. The dozens of labourers that used to be employed have been replaced by a few slightly more skilled workers in white coats.
Any boss of a business that employs large numbers of low skilled people like drivers, is looking hard to find ways of taking them out of the equation - machines are more reliable than people; they donât turn up late for work; they can work a lot more than 230 days a year plus sick leave, and they donât need coffee breaks.
windrush:
Humans continually inventing technology to ensure that future generations have less employment, as a race we are brilliant at finding ways and means of doing ourselves out of a job of work.
Pete.
But we always find other work that needs doing, more people in employment now then ever before, as living standards continually improve more and more people are employed making life easier for each other. The big employers of the near future (20 years) will be in caring, (I havnât the foggiest how it will be funded), more and more people will be kept alive for longer and longer, and they will all need taking care of, âbotton wipingâ will be the future for those like me who spent too much time looking out of the window when at school. (thank zb i will be fully retired by then)
I see driverless lorries for all trunking, long distance by 2025, and lorry driving as a career will be gone entirely by 2035. Technology is advancing at an ever increasing pace, the world will be very different indeed. And the only thing that will stop all that is WW3, which is also very likely with all the mad bolloxs that is going on at the moment, trump / brexit / collapse of the EU, migrants / refugees / debt crises / global warming / resource depletion.
windrush:
Humans continually inventing technology to ensure that future generations have less employment, as a race we are brilliant at finding ways and means of doing ourselves out of a job of work.
Pete.
I see driverless lorries for all trunking, long distance by 2025, and lorry driving as a career will be gone entirely by 2035. Technology is advancing at an ever increasing pace, the world will be very different indeed. And the only thing that will stop all that is WW3, which is also very likely with all the mad bolloxs that is going on at the moment, trump / brexit / collapse of the EU, migrants / refugees / debt crises / global warming / resource depletion.
Driverless technology will come to the main rail network too. After all, itâs been used in various forms on some metro systems for years, including the Docklands Light Railway. So itâs quite possible that more trunking will be done by driverless electric freight trains running mainly at night.
I see Nissan are soon to start tests with autonomous Leafs driving around in London. I said in my earlier post that while lorries that can drive themselves under certain conditions, with a driver sat behind the wheel to take over if need be, might be with us soon, fully autonomous driverless ones are a long way off coming into commercial use.
Up to now, recent research into self-driving vehicles has been about making them work on existing road networks.
But if supervised self-driving cars and lorries do become commonplace, I guess there will then be a case for adapting roads and traffic regulations to suit these vehicles, for safety and ease of operation. If this happens, then that would pave the way (literally) for driverless vehicles.
Bking:
And when the âamazonâ driverless truck arrives at your house how is the parcel getting from the truck to your door?
And who is going to draw the curtains when the driverless truck arrives at a depot?
Load of [zb] drivel dreamt up by a load of knobs who have never had or ever will have a real job.They get paid for spouting [zb] because thats about all they are fit for.
So are you saying that there wonât be driverless trucks on the road in the near future? I understand that Bosch alone have 30,000 people working on their autonomous vehicle project, and they are one of the minor players.
Maybe Bosch should build a decent starter motor before they go on to such heady things as this sort of â â â â â â â â .Sick of hearing how us âworking class heroesâ will be screwed in 20 years and all our labour will be controlled by some dik in an office.These â â â holes been telling us this crap for 30 years and it never going to happen.
1 they â â â â â â â â us about their âtechnologyâ
2 without us who do they think they would control
3 Lets face it they are more or less a bunch of a holes
4 without some body to look down on their self esteem would disappear
5 Without the poor how could these cretins consider themselves ârichâ
The ârichâ need the poor far more than the âpoorâ need the rich
Without the poor the rich are not rich
If the poor only dealt with the poor and cut these greedy motherfers out the loop their world would collapse.
About time we woke up.
And as for companies spending trillions.
WellâŚtheyâre just speculating on what might happen,generations from now.
Speculating on advise from boffins who know only science and engineering.
Big Joe105:
Good comments there. The amount of investment that would be required to accommodate autonomous trucks in the UK would be too high. There would be no profitable returns.
Are you forgetting that many trucks are on the road 24/7 ? Take the example of a company working a 4 on 4 off system night and day. Thatâs 4 drivers @ ÂŁ25k pa for arguments sake. ÂŁ100k of savings straight off the bat! The technology is not expensive these days itâs all in the sky now. It really just needs somebody to make the first move and to risk the wrath of public opinion. How highly do you think Joe public rates truck drivers? Iâm a truck driver and I donât rate most I see on the roads each day.
I think platooning trucks on motorways wonât be far off but totally driverless vehicles a little further away.
In certain operations I can see it sooner than others but some trucking jobs will reqire human interaction for a fair bit longer
Olog Hai:
Automated trucks will come to yard shunting/dock spotting operations sooner than anything else because it is hardly the most demanding of jobs. All you need is someone opening and closing doors and maybe winding legs up and down, because if a truck can drive itself then it can certainly release fifth wheels and pop shunt buttons itself.
Personally I think the first use for driverless trucks will be Stobart Carlisle-Crick interdepot trunks and the like.
Yes I agree certain trunking jobs will be first.
The ones that are pretty much motorway only are obvious ones.
Big Joe105:
Good comments there. The amount of investment that would be required to accommodate autonomous trucks in the UK would be too high. There would be no profitable returns.
Are you forgetting that many trucks are on the road 24/7 ? Take the example of a company working a 4 on 4 off system night and day. Thatâs 4 drivers @ ÂŁ25k pa for arguments sake. ÂŁ100k of savings straight off the bat! The technology is not expensive these days itâs all in the sky now. It really just needs somebody to make the first move and to risk the wrath of public opinion. How highly do you think Joe public rates truck drivers? Iâm a truck driver and I donât rate most I see on the roads each day.
And the other thing is that the cost of the technology involved in development would be offset by the fact that a driverless truck wonât need a heated air-sprung seat, or a bed, or a cd player, or a heater, or a night heater or windscreen wipers, or interior trim, or doors etc etc etc so cabs will be far cheaper to build. Little more than a chassis and driveline with a plastic box on it to keep the rain out.
I saw a thing in the week that said some kind of driverless taxi on demand service would half a familyâs travel cost as I guess we wouldnât need a merc to impress the neighbours filled with the latest gadgets.
Only thing is when we move over to these things and even electric cars what will the government do to recoup the lost fuel duty.
Iâm guessing when electric cars realy take off we will have a separate meter for our car charge point that will cost more than the house electric
kr79:
I saw a thing in the week that said some kind of driverless taxi on demand service would half a familyâs travel cost as I guess we wouldnât need a merc to impress the neighbours filled with the latest gadgets.
Only thing is when we move over to these things and even electric cars what will the government do to recoup the lost fuel duty.
Iâm guessing when electric cars realy take off we will have a separate meter for our car charge point that will cost more than the house electric
I think theyâve missed the point that many people actually enjoy driving and like proper engines and that any supposed savings for those who donât would be eaten up by the obviously big business taxi operatorsâ profit anyway.
Let alone what happens in the case of EV users suddenly finding out that electric is just about the most expensive form of energy,even without the inevitable tax raid in the form of smart metering and battery replacement costs.Which is why no one with any sense uses electric central heating rather than gas etc.It seems obvious that the whole agenda is about eventually creating a captive market and monopoly for the automated/EV industry and electricity suppliers. Hopefully Iâll be long gone if/when this control freak joyless big brother utopia really takes off.The whole thing reminds me of the film Demolition Man and gives me the creeps.
Hopefully Iâll be long gone if/when this control freak joyless big brother utopia really takes off.The whole thing reminds me of the film Demolition Man and gives me the creeps.