muckles:
I’m going to correct you as I have the notes in front of me.
The guidelines are 1-2 vehicle 8 hours, 3-5 15 hours, 6-10 20 hours and so on until they recommend its a full time job and then full time and an assistant It also says that additional hours may be required for trailers.
It does say these are guidelines, and each case is considered on its merits and if you’re not devoting the recommended time you have to supply a written explanation on how you will cover the work.
It’s a bit daft, I really do not spend anything like eight hours a week on Transport Manager duties and I’m probably more conscientious than most. In fact, I’m supposed to spend 15 hours on it as I have a three-vehicle licence although I don’t follow the logic here.
One of my duties is keeping up with changes in legislation which I do by reading Commercial Motor and VOSA’s newsletter to operators. If the law changes, I don’t need to read about the new law three times just because I have a licence for three vehicles.
muckles:
I’m going to correct you as I have the notes in front of me.
The guidelines are 1-2 vehicle 8 hours, 3-5 15 hours, 6-10 20 hours and so on until they recommend its a full time job and then full time and an assistant It also says that additional hours may be required for trailers.
It does say these are guidelines, and each case is considered on its merits and if you’re not devoting the recommended time you have to supply a written explanation on how you will cover the work.
It’s a bit daft, I really do not spend anything like eight hours a week on Transport Manager duties and I’m probably more conscientious than most. In fact, I’m supposed to spend 15 hours on it as I have a three-vehicle licence although I don’t follow the logic here.
One of my duties is keeping up with changes in legislation which I do by reading Commercial Motor and VOSA’s newsletter to operators. If the law changes, I don’t need to read about the new law three times just because I have a licence for three vehicles.
I sort of understand where VOSA are coming from they want external TM’s that actually do something rather than just act as a name on the O’licence, and as other have said I’m sure they’d much rather not have TM’s looking after more than one company.
But I’m baffled as to why they think the admin should take as long as it does, at the moment I look after our restricted licence, we have 3 truck and 2 trailers, and I’d have to drink a lot of tea to be able to string the admin to 15 hours.
muckles:
I’m going to correct you as I have the notes in front of me.
The guidelines are 1-2 vehicle 8 hours, 3-5 15 hours, 6-10 20 hours and so on until they recommend its a full time job and then full time and an assistant It also says that additional hours may be required for trailers.
It does say these are guidelines, and each case is considered on its merits and if you’re not devoting the recommended time you have to supply a written explanation on how you will cover the work.
It’s a bit daft, I really do not spend anything like eight hours a week on Transport Manager duties and I’m probably more conscientious than most. In fact, I’m supposed to spend 15 hours on it as I have a three-vehicle licence although I don’t follow the logic here.
One of my duties is keeping up with changes in legislation which I do by reading Commercial Motor and VOSA’s newsletter to operators. If the law changes, I don’t need to read about the new law three times just because I have a licence for three vehicles.
I sort of understand where VOSA are coming from they want external TM’s that actually do something rather than just act as a name on the O’licence, and as other have said I’m sure they’d much rather not have TM’s looking after more than one company.
But I’m baffled as to why they think the admin should take as long as it does, at the moment I look after our restricted licence, we have 3 truck and 2 trailers, and I’d have to drink a lot of tea to be able to string the admin to 15 hours.
If you have a restricted licence,you don’t need a TM.I realise you still have to keep records and check everything is legal and up together.
Dave the Renegade:
If you have a restricted licence,you don’t need a TM.I realise you still have to keep records and check everything is legal and up together.
Yep we are looking to upgrade to a full licence because we have started to look after customers historic cars as well as our own race cars. I’m sure plenty do this on a restricted licence, but my boss is a stickler for doing it right.
bazstan009:
TM’s are not always employees but work as freelancing professionals, true that an employee must be paid the minimum wage (unless you call them an apprentice), I don’t believe there is an onus on a freelancer to charge above the minimum hourly rate.
Indeed as a freelance / self employed person you are not bound by the NMW.
bazstan009:
This system is clearly [not] very well thought out.
I’m with you in that one but the fact that it’s badly thought out nonsense has never stopped them enforcing it in the past so I see no reason why it won’t this time…
Hi all,
First post,I m a lawyer(yes I confess!) just passed my cpc after a couple of clients asked if i could be an emergency TM for them,having got into trouble with VOSA/TC.
I’m trying to pitch my rate,and have done some surfing to check what the going rate for a full time TM may be.The rates seem to vary considerably both for employed and external TM.
I’m thinking of £150 pw per O licence or £60 per truck.I’m likely to be operating at the smaller (up to 7 ) trucks operator and want to make a decent return,whilst providing value for money.
Newtm:
Hi all,
First post,I m a lawyer(yes I confess!) just passed my cpc after a couple of clients asked if i could be an emergency TM for them,having got into trouble with VOSA/TC.
I’m trying to pitch my rate,and have done some surfing to check what the going rate for a full time TM may be.The rates seem to vary considerably both for employed and external TM.
I’m thinking of £150 pw per O licence or £60 per truck.I’m likely to be operating at the smaller (up to 7 ) trucks operator and want to make a decent return,whilst providing value for money.
Any advice/suggestions?
If you are a lawyer,the first thing that you need to see if you have enough of hours to act as a TM for your clients.For someone with up to 2 vehicles its 8 hours a week,up to 5 vehicles its 15 hours.
The TC will be looking at how many hours you have to spare after you take out your hours working as a lawyer.He will use the working time directive maximum of 48 hours total a week…For 7 vehicles you would be required to do 21 hours.
Newtm:
I’m thinking of £150 pw per O licence or £60 per truck.I’m likely to be operating at the smaller (up to 7 ) trucks operator and want to make a decent return,whilst providing value for money.
Looking at earlier posts in the thread it would seem that whilst on the surface for the hours VOSA think you should be working those rates would seem reasonable, there are people prepared to do the job for less than a quarter of that (150pm compared to your 150pw).
I would also not think that there are many (if any) small operators who could spare 150pw to pay a TM. Even 150pm for many of them will eat away any profit they are making.
Newtm:
I’m thinking of £150 pw per O licence or £60 per truck.I’m likely to be operating at the smaller (up to 7 ) trucks operator and want to make a decent return,whilst providing value for money.
Looking at earlier posts in the thread it would seem that whilst on the surface for the hours VOSA think you should be working those rates would seem reasonable, there are people prepared to do the job for less than a quarter of that (150pm compared to your 150pw).
I would also not think that there are many (if any) small operators who could spare 150pw to pay a TM. Even 150pm for many of them will eat away any profit they are making.
Paul
A lot would struggle to pay £150 a month for one vehicle.Even the agencies don’t charge £150pw.
Harry Monk:
I think he means £150 a week for a seven vehicle operator, or £60 a week for a one vehicle operator, which I would say was pretty much on the nose.
If I was managing firms up to the maximum allowable, then I’d want to be earning £500 a week for doing it.
If I was a full time TM for a company I would want £35,000 a year and a company vehicle.
Does anyone know if you can get professional indemnity type insurance cover that your client, you’re acting TM for, pays the premium on and pays out if their actions result in you either being called to a PI or some other claim against you?
I was also thinking if you were acting for someome unknown could you get a cash deposit from them held in escrow that paid out to you in similar circumstances?
It all seems like a big risk to your professional reputation really but is something that seems like a good retirement type job for a CPC holder.
I have been an external TM for over twenty years.I have always kept an eye on things.You can’t afford not to.If an owner doesn’t abide by the rules after I have verbally and given them written warning,I withdraw my CPC.I notify the TC and the haulier that I am no longer acting for them.
I think vosa are making it hard for tm’s tae mul
tiple lics under there wings,before i passed cpc myself i used agency to get a tm,when application went in vosacalled for a inquiry as tm already on 4lics it was granted but after alot of myther .i recon it wud be hard to get enough clients to make it a full time job .when i retire may be tm for pin money seems about the best it gets
nedbro:
8yrs ago i was paying agency £185 ex vat for my tm must be more now i wud think
Depends on how many vehicles on your licence.When I was TM for a haulier with one vehicle through an agency,I was getting £95 a month,he was charged more.Thats the only time I have worked through an agency.
