What's a trailer weigh?

Roymondo:
I daresay a V8SuperDooperMega unit would be a bit heavier - but 10 tonnes?

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Yep they can be . As I said above a volvo 540 globetrotter xl , midlift with driver , fuel and “stuff” is in the region of 9.0 -9.2 tons . Add tipping gear (tank at the back of the cab and it gets closer to 9.7 - 9.9 tons . Try it with a Scania 650 and your going to be well over the 10 tons . I know because its an issue we are dealing with at the moment - 4 guys have left our place lately and juggling others round has seen us looking to put tipping gear on a 650 . Weighbridge tickets for other loads where we can get a like for like weights clearly show the V8 is heavier by about 800 -900 kg before adding the tipping gear .

stu675:
Thanks [emoji106] (although I’m sure you will be upset to have learnt that you’re running 2t overweight…CF).

totally devastated mate - I’m off to rip out every weighbridge I’ve been across in the last 5 years as they are obviously inaccurate . I probably should have been using a wagon and drag as that would have solved all my problems . :smiley: :smiley: :confused: :confused: :unamused: :unamused:

I do the job mate - others think they know how to do a job by googling it and then making excuses as to why they can’t / couldn’t do a job and blaming the system saying their face didn’t fit / they wern’t part of the network when others such as myself got that kind of work even when we wern’t looking for it . You decide - I just don’t bother with his infantile ranting anymore .

Roymondo:

Carryfast:

Roymondo:
Our 4.1m (Cartwright) tri-axle trailers tip the scales empty at 7480kg. They are not fridges, but they do have fridge style insulated bodies and roller shutter rear doors, all of which will push the ULW up a little.

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Call it 7t + Dan’s 28t payload = 35t.
The margins would be a bit iffy assuming around 10t for the unit.But I’m sure that I didn’t see or hear the 25t figure mentioned anywhere on Google.

10 tonnes? Kerb weight for the Renault T480 midlift unit I normally use is 8.3 tonnes. Add 100kg for a driver and 25kg for the tat he carries around (full tank of fuel is included in the kerb weight).

I daresay a V8SuperDooperMega unit would be a bit heavier - but 10 tonnes?

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I wouldn’t call 3-4 ‘several’ tonnes.
So there’s your answer OP.A 3 axle unit call it 8.5t + 7t for a tri axle trailer rough guide.Obviously nock a bit off those figures for two axle unit and/or tandem axle trailer.Gross weight allowance obviously also reduces by 4t on 5 axles.
Seems to make a good case for 3 + 2 at 40t gross.
I wouldn’t wreck a job because as I said I would have checked my conservative guess ( obviously not obtained from Google ) on a weighbridge before turning down anything.

beefy4605:

Roymondo:
I daresay a V8SuperDooperMega unit would be a bit heavier - but 10 tonnes?

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Yep they can be . As I said above a volvo 540 globetrotter xl , midlift with driver , fuel and “stuff” is in the region of 9.0 -9.2 tons . Add tipping gear (tank at the back of the cab and it gets closer to 9.7 - 9.9 tons . Try it with a Scania 650 and your going to be well over the 10 tons . I know because its an issue we are dealing with at the moment - 4 guys have left our place lately and juggling others round has seen us looking to put tipping gear on a 650 . Weighbridge tickets for other loads where we can get a like for like weights clearly show the V8 is heavier by about 800 -900 kg before adding the tipping gear .

All the usual angry CF haters with a grudge because I said something.
Not because a unit can quite possibly weigh ‘closer’ to 10t than 8t which was clearly my point and a 25t payload on a 44 tonner isn’t ‘several’ tonnes wide of the mark.
If I used Google as I’m accused of doing I obviously wouldn’t have been shocked to learn that a 28-29t payload is doable.I also equally clearly said take the thing to a weighbridge to find out exactly what its payload actually is.But as usual that was selectively ignored in their hate fest.

Carryfast:
Guessing isn’t an option a certified weighbridge is the way to go for checking weights.
As a rough guess a 6 axle artic won’t take more than 25t payload even with a minimal weight flat trailer, probably less.
4 axle outfit will be lucky to take 15t these days with heavy units.
5 axle somewhere in between so 18t is as good a guess as any if it’s a 5 axle.
18t on a 4 axle doubtful.

you went for a 25 ton payload and said probably less (I’ve highlighted your words for you )payloads of 28/29 even 30 tons are possible so your 3 -5 tons out - your "probably less "quote means your 4+ tons out . Go look up several in the Oxford dictionary their definition is - “more than two but not many.”

Stop playing the victim Carryfast.

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They are rarely assertive and find it hard to express their needs.
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Well that ^^^ pretty much puts this to bed :smiley:

I hear the sound of nails being struck firmly on the head.

I will add that in the many years I have been driving I’ve never once queried as to how much a trailer weighs, when I worked in jobs that ran at max weight all I needed to know was the tare weight for the whole outfit and then I simply worked out the payload that I could legally carry whether it was 32 tonne, then 38 tonne, 40 tonne or latterly 44 tonne. Why get bogged down in minutiae?

Edit to add; if you work in a field that doesn’t use weighbridges routinely and you want to know your tare weight then simply when you are empty (and preferably fully fuelled) simply pull onto a weighbridge armed with some delivery notes and on the pretext of ostensibly being lost ask the operator for directions whilst looking through the window at your weight.

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beefy4605:

Carryfast:
Guessing isn’t an option a certified weighbridge is the way to go for checking weights.
As a rough guess a 6 axle artic won’t take more than 25t payload even with a minimal weight flat trailer, probably less.
4 axle outfit will be lucky to take 15t these days with heavy units.
5 axle somewhere in between so 18t is as good a guess as any if it’s a 5 axle.
18t on a 4 axle doubtful.

you went for a 25 ton payload and said probably less (I’ve highlighted your words for you )payloads of 28/29 even 30 tons are possible so your 3 -5 tons out - your "probably less "quote means your 4+ tons out . Go look up several in the Oxford dictionary their definition is - “more than two but not many.”

Stop playing the victim Carryfast.

In clinical psychology, a “victim complex” or “victim mentality” describes a personality trait of persons who believe they are constantly the victims of the harmful actions of others, even when made aware of evidence to the contrary.

Most people go through normal periods of simple self-pity—as part of the grieving process, for example. However, these episodes are temporary and minor compared to the perpetual feelings of helplessness, pessimism, guilt, shame, despair, and depression that consume the lives of persons afflicted with a victim complex.

Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for people who have actually been victims of physically abusive or manipulative relationships to fall prey to a universal victim mentality.
Victim Complex vs. Martyr Complex

Sometimes associated with the term victim complex, the “martyr complex” describes the personality trait of people who actually desire the feeling of repeatedly being the victim. Such people sometimes seek out, even encourage, their own victimization in order to either satisfy a psychological need or as an excuse to avoid personal responsibility. Persons diagnosed with a martyr complex often knowingly place themselves in situations or relationships that most likely will cause suffering.

Outside of the theological context, which holds that martyrs are persecuted as punishment for their refusal to reject a religious doctrine or deity, persons with a martyr complex seek to suffer in the name of love or duty.

The martyr complex is sometimes associated with the personality disorder called “masochism,” which describes a preference for and the pursuit of suffering.

Psychologists often observe the martyr complex in persons involved in abusive or codependent relationships. Fed by their perceived misery, persons with a martyr complex will often reject advice or offers to help them.
Common Traits of Victim Complex Sufferers

Persons diagnosed with a victim complex tend to dwell on every trauma, crisis, or disease that they have ever experienced, particularly those that happened during their childhoods. Often seeking a survival technique, they have come to believe that society simply “has it out for them.” In this sense, they passively submit to their unavoidable “fate” as perpetual victims as a way of coping with problems that may range from tragic to trivial.

Some common traits of persons with a victim complex include:

They refuse to accept responsibility for dealing with their problems.
They never accept any degree of blame for their problems.
They always find reasons why suggested solutions will not work.
They carry grudges, never forgive, and simply cannot “move on.”
They are rarely assertive and find it hard to express their needs.
They believe everyone is “out to get them” and thus trust no one.
They are negative and pessimistic, always looking for the bad even in the good.
They are often highly critical of others and rarely enjoy lasting friendships.

source Understanding the Victim Complex

‘‘Wont take’’ is as ‘assertive’ as it gets.As is take it to a weighbridge.
Critical of others and rarely assertive is an oxymoron.
Several by definition means somewhere around seven.
I obviously didn’t base anything I said on google.
No one ever got hurt or nicked by a sceptical and over conservative approach to weight capacity.Nor the advice to take it to a certified weighbridge to check it first.

You know this thread is going 27 pages now the UK’s most famous failed lorry driver is involved.

There was a time many moons ago when a vehicle’s road tax (VED) was determined by its unladen weight,if I recall correctly.

Gidders:
There was a time many moons ago when a vehicle’s road tax (VED) was determined by its unladen weight,if I recall correctly.

There was a time when all new vehicles went straight to the weighbridge so the unladen weight was known, and fixed to a plate or sticker.

Franglais:

Gidders:
There was a time many moons ago when a vehicle’s road tax (VED) was determined by its unladen weight,if I recall correctly.

There was a time when all new vehicles went straight to the weighbridge so the unladen weight was known, and fixed to a plate or sticker.

That’s just too logical.Bearing in mind that weight distribution could also play havoc with a simplistic deduction of total unit and trailer tare weights to provide an overall payload figure.I’d doubt that my figures are a million miles away from the mark in the real world.

the maoster:
I will add that in the many years I have been driving I’ve never once queried as to how much a trailer weighs, .

I had in my head that the unit would be roughly 9t. I had no idea what a trailer would be.

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Carryfast:
I’d doubt that my figures are a million miles away from the mark in the real world.

A million miles? That’s moving the goal posts far enough to let you spout any old rubbish! Oh, hang on…

Lucy:

Carryfast:
I’d doubt that my figures are a million miles away from the mark in the real world.

A million miles? That’s moving the goal posts far enough to let you spout any old rubbish! Oh, hang on…

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Ancient proverb - "When in hole - stop digging "

Normal rules don’t apply to the special one

beefy4605:

Lucy:

Carryfast:
I’d doubt that my figures are a million miles away from the mark in the real world.

A million miles? That’s moving the goal posts far enough to let you spout any old rubbish! Oh, hang on…

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Ancient proverb - "When in hole - stop digging "

Normal rules don’t apply to the special one

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

beefy4605:

Lucy:

Carryfast:
I’d doubt that my figures are a million miles away from the mark in the real world.

A million miles? That’s moving the goal posts far enough to let you spout any old rubbish! Oh, hang on…

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Ancient proverb - "When in hole - stop digging "

Normal rules don’t apply to the special one

I’d guess the ‘difference’,
between 25t and 29t, in the wrong place, along a 45ft load deck, could possibly blow a hole in the simple payload calculation, of an 8t tare unit and a 7t tare trailer.Resulting in a few tonnes too heavy on the unit’s gross weight limit for example,
might as well be a million miles.
Obviously even worse in the case of getting the calculation wrong in the case of a 2 axle unit pulling a triaxle.

stu675:

the maoster:
I will add that in the many years I have been driving I’ve never once queried as to how much a trailer weighs, .

I had in my head that the unit would be roughly 9t. I had no idea what a trailer would be.

Follow me for more money saving life hacks :wink:

[emoji106]

That’s heavy for a tractor, think more like 8 to 8.4 tons for a fairly normal 6 x 2 tractor, could be creeping up to 8700 or so depending on spec if fitted with extra PTO driven equipment.

More interesting tare weights when you get to specialised vehicles, my last car transporter tared off over 22 tons, don’t know how heavy each section was as the vehicle was designed only to operate as a complete vehicle.

Carryfast:

beefy4605:

Lucy:

Carryfast:
I’d doubt that my figures are a million miles away from the mark in the real world.

A million miles? That’s moving the goal posts far enough to let you spout any old rubbish! Oh, hang on…

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Ancient proverb - "When in hole - stop digging "

Normal rules don’t apply to the special one

I’d guess the ‘difference’,
between 25t and 29t, in the wrong place, along a 45ft load deck, could possibly blow a hole in the simple payload calculation, of an 8t tare unit and a 7t tare trailer.Resulting in a few tonnes too heavy on the unit’s gross weight limit for example,
might as well be a million miles.

Obviously even worse in the case of getting the calculation wrong in the case of a 2 axle unit pulling a triaxle.

Ah, so now your figures ARE a million miles from the mark then, yes? The opposite to what you first said… :neutral_face:

Lucy:
Ah, so now your figures ARE a million miles from the mark then, yes? The opposite to what you first said… :neutral_face:

Nope.Read it again Lucy.
25t v 29t isn’t a million miles difference in the combined gross weight unit and trailer.
But if just 2t or 3t that 4t difference just happens to be in the wrong place then 2t or 3t too heavy on the unit’s gross might as well be a million miles.
But admit that I’m ‘surprised’ that a proper 13 litre, full width cabbed, modern 6x2 unit can tare closer to 8t than 10t which is what threw my figures off a bit.Proof that I didn’t reply on Google.
But in general trying to max out the theoretical payload, based on a simplistic gross - tare calculation, is going to be a can of worms in the real world in anything other than a strictly controlled and positioned test load and especially artics/close coupled outfits.
Which is the reason why it’s best to err on the side of caution.Also maybe save the driving time to and from a weighbridge trying to adjust a load and probably still finding out that it just ain’t going to work out.