Wanna be a bus driver?

Saratoga:
Ok, so the original post was an advert about service buses, local services. The buses that don’t go more than 50km from base. As such, they are tacho exempt. They do not use digital nor analogue tachos plus they are domestic hours and not EU/EC hours.

Right? Got it?

The ticket machines that National Express West Midlands, formerly Travel West Midlands, formerly variations of WMT/TWM etc use a ticket machine. It used to be a wayfarer that used a square module under the ticket machine. Your employee ID was used to login, a 6 digit code starting with 1, inspectors using a 5 digit code.

The new ticket machines use the same system with, when I left, the system coming in using the employee ID card to swipe to login.

some Services buses don’t even have tachographs fitted!

Volvo B6 & B7 have a tacho style head, Scanias and the new Enviro 400s are the same. The Mercedes 0405 have tacho heads but the red lights are constantly on and are not serviced at all and have never been whilst in use.

I worked for TWM for 3 years, from their TWM to NE/NEX period.

I believe dented referred to the fact that a previous poster had said that the ticket machines were associated with the tacho cards. I would find this unlikely as why bother to spend a fortune on the one system and let the coaches use something different? But having never made it to the coaches I am open to offers. I guess I could walk down to a coach in the bus station and ask them, but it’s cold outside :unamused: :unamused: and you’re probably only trying to wind others up with your [zb] so I think not :sunglasses: :laughing:

Totally wrong. Go read the posts again.

We were talking about “Traffilog” which isn’t a “ticket machine”.

It is a system whereby Nat Ex can monitor how (and where) you are driving, and it is tied into the digi tacho. Previously you had to enter a number, and then use a key fob, so the system knew who was driving. Now it just takes the data straight from the digi tacho apparently.

Hope this helps.

There are lots of lorry/bus licence holders out there.I believe that there was a rule that you had to be one or the other, but that is not the case nowadays.Remember if you hold dual licences you only need one very useful DCPC.

DonutUK:
We were talking about “Traffilog” which isn’t a “ticket machine”.

It is a system whereby Nat Ex can monitor how (and where) you are driving, and it is tied into the digi tacho. Previously you had to enter a number, and then use a key fob, so the system knew who was driving. Now it just takes the data straight from the digi tacho apparently.

Hope this helps.

Ok. I shall say this in another way in the hope that you understand what I am attempting to communicate with you. I have this from FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE having worked for NATIONAL EXPRESS driving SERVICE BUSES. OK so far?

TraffiLog was brought in during the period when other companies were investing in the ‘drive green’ system. The way the system was setup was that EVERYTHING was tied in through the ticket machine.

  • GSM Modem (Comminication)
  • TraffiLog (Tracking)
  • Trunking Radio System (200Mhz Trunked radio)
  • Ticket Machine/Wayfarer
  • CCTV tracking
  • GPS Tracking

Everything was linked together. There are no working tachographs fitted to service buses and the driver work in ‘Domestic Hours’. Coach drivers are different.

Imagine it as a tree with the trunk being the ticket machine. The ‘root’ of the tree would communicate over GSM to the data receiving centre in London (for all NatEx/TWM vehicles) where it would be sent to the individual controlling centres. The information transmitted would include.

The buses in service have a running board or slate, and would have the number like 18-20. This would be bus 20 on the 18 service, but could run on lots of other services to fit in with the schedules. So one run it could be an 18 to City, then a 24 back out going a different way, then a 18a back to the city via an industrial estate/housing estate/trunk road etc to however the planners have set it up for keeping everything to schedule. The drivers need to know these routes and variations before they area allowed out on the run.

Each part of a route would have a fare stage, which could be active or not for that route, which the driver needs to know and need to be advanced or retarded on the ticket machine, to see possible trends in their behaviour on a route, problems with fare stages, where passengers without tickets or invalid tickets were getting on, if there was other fraud issues going on, it could all be recorded into the ticket machine and

With Traffilog they were able to see that certain buses did certain parts of routes faster to get an orange light or dawdled on other sections. They were able to see areas of harsh braking and acceleration to see where the problem spots where.

Still with me? So the info from the Traffilog would goto the ticket machine. Swipe cards, fares issued, money taken. All kept together. The bus company could identify patterns and use smart cards where possible, with the smart card reader.

The driver logs into a ticket machine with a 5 or 6 digit employee number, it has to be valid on the system to allow things to work, for the driver to issue tickets and for the staff in the office to see what driver is on what bus wherever. The driver can also log in with their ID swipe card but that is slow and often fails :frowning: It is the same swipe pad that pensioners use, if they are ‘in area’.

Let me reiterate again that service buses DO NOT HAVE digital tachographs, and like I said I don’t know the system with N/X coaches but I could probably find out if I wanted to, but I don’t. As far as I know Traffilog was bought in in Birmingham first in one garage (Central) and then rolled out including the coaches. The only coaches I have seen do have a more compact ticket machine and a small module on the dash with the lights on, so I would think it is the same system.

Do you understand the system now? Is there anything that you are unclear about that I can bore you with more information about them? Perhaps you would like to reveal your source for this information, because it doesn’t sound like you’ve worked at N/E either on buses or coaches.

alamcculloch:
There are lots of lorry/bus licence holders out there.I believe that there was a rule that you had to be one or the other, but that is not the case nowadays.Remember if you hold dual licences you only need one very useful DCPC.

Indeed. I got my Drivers CPC through the both PCV and LGV use.

Saratoga:

DonutUK:
We were talking about “Traffilog” which isn’t a “ticket machine”.

It is a system whereby Nat Ex can monitor how (and where) you are driving, and it is tied into the digi tacho. Previously you had to enter a number, and then use a key fob, so the system knew who was driving. Now it just takes the data straight from the digi tacho apparently.

Hope this helps.

[snip] waffle

Right…i am fully aware of how TWM used Traffilog…however this is not how NATIONAL EXPRESS COACHES use it.

Mainly because THEY DO NOT HAVE A TICKET MACHINE.

Which is why it is tied into the DIGI TACHO.

I have never been remotely interested in how TWM currently use Traffilog, nor have i ever made a post (apart from this one) on how they use it.

I was talking solely about Nat Ex Coaches, as i work for a COACH COMPANY.

Not sure where you have this idea that i ever mentioned service buses and Traffilog in the same post? As you said, you have no idea of how Nat Ex Coaches use it, so i am not entirely sure why you have bothered posting, given that i have twice mentioned that i was talking about…NATIONAL EXPRESS COACHES!

Donutuk. This thread was originally about buses not coaches. Good luck with getting a job with them though, and I’m sure you’ll enjoy them when they are fitted with TraffiLog too, which as I have said, is a seperate system to the wayfarer ticket machine, but it is tied together for transferring data…

Or didn’t you feel like reading that :wink:

Saratoga:
Donutuk. This thread was originally about buses not coaches. Good luck with getting a job with them though, and I’m sure you’ll enjoy them when they are fitted with TraffiLog too, which as I have said, is a seperate system to the wayfarer ticket machine, but it is tied together for transferring data…

Or didn’t you feel like reading that :wink:

Seriously, do you not read anything that is written?

I don’t want a job with TWM, or anything that involves wayfarers. I work for a coach company, we do Nat Ex services as well as tours etc. I want to move from the tour side to the Nat Ex side.
The Nat Ex coaches have Traffilog fitted, tied in to the digi tacho for the purposes of driver identification. They do not have ticket machines of any description.

Hope this helps.

FAO DonutUK and Saratoga.

As I hope you are both aware Nat Ex operate very few COACHES themselves. Most of the fleet are run by independent companies on behalf of, and in the colours of, National Express on a contract basis.

SOME Coaches operated for Nat Ex DO have ticket machines. You will only find them on frequent service routes where most passengers don’t buy a ticket in advance. Hand writing tickets was a pain in the behind and time consuming.

When I was driving for a company doing Nat Ex scheduled coach work we didn’t have ticket machines, long distance service.
We did have Traffilog ( the five lights in a row in a small block on the dash somewhere AND a keypad to enter your driver number. The traffilog was an absolute pain because the gearboxes on the BRAND NEW scania Levante coaches were rough as holes and would bang into gear, giving a bad recording.