as I said before in a previous post haulage bosses are allways saying they can’t afford to give drivers a wage rise every year,yet every day they go home to their £500,000 to £1 million pound + houses in their top of the range cars and yet they can’t give drivers a wage rise,i realise it takes hard work to run a haulage company and if you get it right the rewards are there for the bosses,but it’s the age old argument,if it wasn’t for drivers they wouldn’t have a company[and yes I do know it works both ways]but if a company is successful then drivers should be rewarded with wage rises every year or two but bosses are allways bleating they can’t afford to give rises
Truckman I’ve had similar thoughts before about many things. Any time I see a business post huge profits I think yeah you could afford to pay more to your staff or actually pay your taxes and make a slightly smaller profit. Or energy suppliers who could actually charge us consumers less and still make a profit.
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Very much ■■■ packet calculations
Take Downtons, 5.7 million pre tax profit on 111.6 million turnover, which as a percentage of turnover is about on a par with the wincantons and gregorys of this world. Tax will take 20% of that, so profit down to £4,560,000.
They have 700 trucks, so for ease say they have a thousand drivers, extra will cover holiday and training time and double shifting the truck.
Extra 1.00 on basic 40 hours for those 1000 drivers comes to £2,080000.
Extra 1.50 on 15 hours overtime comes to £1,170,000
Employers contributions, call it 10% for ease (it’s more actually) £325,000
All together that comes to £3,575,000.
That leaves around a million profit, which barely makes a business of that size viable.
Now I’ve had a few wines 
, so I’m possibly out a bit, but it’s broadly right. My point is that what looks like a small raise on the hourly rate, would have Downtons begging for an increase in their pence per mile.
As a small haulier, I employ 23 people. I live in a 160 k house and drive a three year old Vauxhall Combo.
Living the dream! 
Perhaps because I’m poor but walking away with a million quid in profit a year doesn’t sound that bad.
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IronEddie:
Perhaps because I’m poor but walking away with a million quid in profit a year doesn’t sound that bad.Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
You should always price in effort. In simple terms I wouldn’t do a job that was twice as hard for 50p hr extra.
IronEddie:
Perhaps because I’m poor but walking away with a million quid in profit a year doesn’t sound that bad.Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
That’s less than 1% profit. Minor issue and you lose money. I agree the sums are huge but the percentage is what matters.
Would you bother running a business that made 900ish a year on a 100k turnover?
Or 20 quid a week on 2k?
caledoniandream:
The wages will never rise, as long as the consumer (US, me and you and everybody else!!!) want their product cheaper and cheaper.
We don’t want to pay "delivery and package " for our internet orders, but we dig until we find the cheapest product.Do you think if tomorrow one of the big supermarkets stand up and says: "We only use British top drivers, we supply proper training, pay top dollar (above £15,00 per hour basic for days) 40 hours guaranteed, final salary pension, 100 % sick pay, top trucks and top facilities, BUT YOU NEED TO BUY OUR PRODUCTS FOR A 30% PREMIUM AGAINST OUR COMPETITORS!
How many of the people on here would shop there? How many would drag their family to shop there!!!
I know the answer: NOBODY!!!, none of us, nada nothing, because we want it cheap!
That is the root of the problem!There is only money in specialist and niche markets, the rest is a race to the bottom.
And only WE can change that, no Brexit, torries, labour, EEG, Brussels, USA or the commonwealth, only you and me can change that, that is why it will never change!!!
Interestingly enough, I do believe that there will be at least one supermarket - maybe even Tesco - that will be able to think outside the box and do something seriously progressive as you describe.
There is such waste in the food industry that a more efficient work structure could easily encompass the higher wages you envisage - whilst covering most of the additional costs so that prices on the shelves stay competetive with other supermarkets.
The huge stumbling block on your post above though is that the EU will NOT ALLOW IT. It breaks several EU laws, in particular the one that says "trying to recruit a premium member of staff is a racist/xenophobic/■■■■/Far-Right/Religiousist/Heightist/Defeatist/Warmongering - you name it. Any label under the sun used by Lefties to insult anyone “just right” of them.
Leaving the EU starts when we tear up the Strasbourg Human Rights Charter. Theresa May saw her poll ratings soar when she talked of doing this, and then collapse again when it was left out of the Queen’s Speech. Having done that, she was just plain daft to hold a snap election before another Queen’s speech came along - to give her a chance to stick it back in! Doh!
This country cannot “reduce immigration” without implementing some policies that are already considered outright illegal by the EU. We MUST also leave the Customs Union as well, or otherwise the EU can impose Trade Sanctions and Fines every time “Britain Offends Strasbourg Accords” - or offends them anywhere else come to that. Now Trade Sanctions are something you do as one belligerent nation to another. An act of War or at least - gently provoking an escalation to one.
So… If we stayed in the EU law-wise, we would be punished for bringing in “Anti-EU Rights Laws” policies. Watch Poland and Magyar to see how THEY get treated…
We must leave EU jurisdiction FIRST. This also allows us to stop sending them the money, and thus we won’t have to borrow to get Brexit done.
Re-form our trades routes to circumvent the EU ones about to end SECOND. The EU cannot trade sanction us if we’ve already broken off all trade with the EU - and effectively sanctioned THEM.
Close our borders, and then go on a cherry picking exercise where everyone who wasn’t born here and has been here less than 20 years by this point - gets deported IF they are claiming more benefits than they pay in Taxes and National Insurance combined. The EU can bleat all it likes, sanction us all it likes, and get it’s largest army to attack Britain or occupy some overseas British Territory. Oh sorry, - can’t use that - we’ve already left the building!
The EU may have the Stack - but Britain has the Position.
Any professional poker player will tell you that if you could sit in seat 7 all day long - you could beat any number of full 9-occupied tables every time. Position is more than enough to iron out individual setbacks, “variance” misfortune, and simple bad luck you see…
It’s time Britain woke up to being an Island with a permanent proverbial seat 7 at the grand poker table we know as “World Trade”.
We don’t need Europe. We never did. You’d think that Europe would be grateful that we pulled their fat out of the fire by fighting a war on their behalf - but they only aim to make use of us again in that context - not EVER reward or actually pay us for such devotions past, present, or future.
Europe thinks it needs us, but in truth it is the European UNION that needs us (it would collapse once the UK leaves…) but the ordinary people of Europe, I’m sure would LOVE to throw off the shackles of Madhouse Bureaucracy, Efficiency Crackdowns, unfair and hard “rewards for failure” Laws, and of course that Currency that has enslaved them all. What is the point of having a currency that you cannot print yourselves? - You’re OWNED by whoever CAN print that currency!
Meanwhile, the powder keg of disgruntled European citizens continues to mount…
The EU being gone kicks WWIII into the distant future.
Every year the EU now lasts - brings us closer to WWIII - by pushing FOR just that war though.
Brussels, ECB, NATO will be the death of us all one way or the other. This tripod needs to be sabotaged whilst we can still do that.
If we’re to stay in - then it’s high time that Britain got paid it’s reparations due for all that it has done for Europe in the past. Ending Austerity by the EU paying US - was the only way I would have been prepared to vote Remain from the beginning. Voting Remain for any other reason - is now a sheer misunderstanding of the bigger picture. Still supporting Remain by THIS point - is nothing but lunatic fringe opposition to plain common sense.
We cannot stay in “No Man’s Land” forever.
The currency markets actually, are currently trying to bribe us to stay in. Perhaps they should have given us lots of their over-priced money rather than conspired to devalue OURS though.
The weaker pound makes it a lot easier to set up trade routes with the rest of the world - because Britain is effectively able to offer a 25% discount “until further notice” which kinda trumps the usual “first time customers only” kind of bum deal that we’re used to seeing in our own less-productive industries.
Trade with the rest of the world - is where the big bucks are at.
The EU think we’re just going to lurch Center,Right,Left,Repeat… until doomsday. Well our young people might not want to start any fights - but what about those young people that “have not been here long”?
The Mainstream political parties crushing UKIP will likely prove to be “burning the lifeboats on the titanic”.
“OK you’ve stopped us from Leaving one way - now what are you idiots at the top going to do about that bloody iceberg straight ahead”?
albion:
Very much ■■■ packet calculationsTake Downtons, 5.7 million pre tax profit on 111.6 million turnover, which as a percentage of turnover is about on a par with the wincantons and gregorys of this world. Tax will take 20% of that, so profit down to £4,560,000.
They have 700 trucks, so for ease say they have a thousand drivers, extra will cover holiday and training time and double shifting the truck.
Extra 1.00 on basic 40 hours for those 1000 drivers comes to £2,080000.
Extra 1.50 on 15 hours overtime comes to £1,170,000
Employers contributions, call it 10% for ease (it’s more actually) £325,000
All together that comes to £3,575,000.That leaves around a million profit, which barely makes a business of that size viable.
Now I’ve had a few wines
As a small haulier, I employ 23 people. I live in a 160 k house and drive a three year old Vauxhall Combo.
Living the dream!
Why hasn’t the fall in fuel prices factored more profit into the haulage industry - from the insider’s viewpoint? 
Another way of putting it would be “If times are always 'ard” in the business world, then what would need to happen to not just end Austerity - but bring about outright Prosperity?
I think the time needs to come to an end where “reducing the payroll cost” is seen as the only way for a business to make more profits rather than just reduce overheads.
I was mentored on the “What you don’t spend is as good as what you win” concept. Is a fundamental change to what we call “Global Economics” required - or something else that can be achieved by persons such as yourself at the local level?
How much does it cost a business like Downtons when they have everyday ■■■■-ups like this? Surely this kind of thing isn’t endemic to the industry as a whole?
Winseer:
albion:
Very much ■■■ packet calculationsTake Downtons, 5.7 million pre tax profit on 111.6 million turnover, which as a percentage of turnover is about on a par with the wincantons and gregorys of this world. Tax will take 20% of that, so profit down to £4,560,000.
They have 700 trucks, so for ease say they have a thousand drivers, extra will cover holiday and training time and double shifting the truck.
Extra 1.00 on basic 40 hours for those 1000 drivers comes to £2,080000.
Extra 1.50 on 15 hours overtime comes to £1,170,000
Employers contributions, call it 10% for ease (it’s more actually) £325,000
All together that comes to £3,575,000.That leaves around a million profit, which barely makes a business of that size viable.
Now I’ve had a few wines
As a small haulier, I employ 23 people. I live in a 160 k house and drive a three year old Vauxhall Combo.
Living the dream!
Why hasn’t the fall in fuel prices factored more profit into the haulage industry - from the insider’s viewpoint?
Another way of putting it would be “If times are always 'ard” in the business world, then what would need to happen to not just end Austerity - but bring about outright Prosperity?I think the time needs to come to an end where “reducing the payroll cost” is seen as the only way for a business to make more profits rather than just reduce overheads.
I was mentored on the “What you don’t spend is as good as what you win” concept. Is a fundamental change to what we call “Global Economics” required - or something else that can be achieved by persons such as yourself at the local level?
How much does it cost a business like Downtons when they have everyday ■■■■-ups like this? Surely this kind of thing isn’t endemic to the industry as a whole?
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Fall in fuel prices makes no odds, anyone with a contract will have a fuel escalator built in, so their ppm will drop in line, or go up, with a decrease/increase in fuel. Being a large company, they can’t be as , erm, creative with their fuel escalator as a smaller company .
The problem as I see it, is that all the big boys will pay the same for fuel , they can’t really control the price as Shell, BP etc are bigger than them. They can’t control the cost of the truck for the same reason, after that the only significant cost to the business is wages, and that’s where they have control. The argument that if everyone banded together that would collectively push up wages is correct, but then there is always the law of unforseen consequences to factor in. I work for myself because I don’t like to be told what to do. I have a very relaxed management style, I’ll talk through work with drivers and ask them for their opinions and what’s the best way to approach stuff, but if they were to go on strike or work to rule, I’d just walk away. I don’t think mine ever would strike though.
As for small companies like one, we exist because we provide a service level that the big boys can’t achieve and we are very niche, it’s a difficult, awkward job with a layer of complexity not found in most work. A couple of large firms have nibbled round the edges, but my sector really only has about 5-6 small firms in it. But we have less power than the big boys, so I can’t see change being driven from us, in fact generally speaking, I think it’s only going to get harder for smaller companies to compete.
truckman020:
Adonis.:
Because truck drivers work for thousands of different companies, across all corners of the country doing countless different types of work and shift patterns.Why would ‘we’ be considered for a wage rise and by who?
You’re also forgetting that not all of us are on crap money.
A.
not forgetting at all,thats why I said I know there are drivers out there that are on £35,000 to £40,000 per year
How many train companies in UK.They can easy increase ticket price.But how many transport companies in Uk.And every single company want win new load,back load.Plus plenty truck move not full trailers.
The easiest way to make 1 million in transport is to start with 4 million.
It’s not all gold what blings there.
Yes if I invest over 5 million in a company and I can drive a big car and a big house it would be expected.
But if you see what the profit is against outlay and turnover, than most of us wouldn’t even think to start.
Most companies make more money out of “added” value, like warehousing, order picking, storage and repackaging.
If it was so great, we would all start and run our own trucks, but it’s not.
Fuel fluctuation has no influence whatsoever as most companies tell you where they want the fuel part of a tender calculated on, and this goes up and down with the market.
Niche markets and specialist jobs is where the money is, and they are few and very rare.
Once in a time you needed to make 13% profit of your turnover to be successful,that time is long gone.
albion:
Winseer:
albion:
Very much ■■■ packet calculationsTake Downtons, 5.7 million pre tax profit on 111.6 million turnover, which as a percentage of turnover is about on a par with the wincantons and gregorys of this world. Tax will take 20% of that, so profit down to £4,560,000.
They have 700 trucks, so for ease say they have a thousand drivers, extra will cover holiday and training time and double shifting the truck.
Extra 1.00 on basic 40 hours for those 1000 drivers comes to £2,080000.
Extra 1.50 on 15 hours overtime comes to £1,170,000
Employers contributions, call it 10% for ease (it’s more actually) £325,000
All together that comes to £3,575,000.That leaves around a million profit, which barely makes a business of that size viable.
Now I’ve had a few wines
As a small haulier, I employ 23 people. I live in a 160 k house and drive a three year old Vauxhall Combo.
Living the dream!
Why hasn’t the fall in fuel prices factored more profit into the haulage industry - from the insider’s viewpoint?
Another way of putting it would be “If times are always 'ard” in the business world, then what would need to happen to not just end Austerity - but bring about outright Prosperity?I think the time needs to come to an end where “reducing the payroll cost” is seen as the only way for a business to make more profits rather than just reduce overheads.
I was mentored on the “What you don’t spend is as good as what you win” concept. Is a fundamental change to what we call “Global Economics” required - or something else that can be achieved by persons such as yourself at the local level?
How much does it cost a business like Downtons when they have everyday ■■■■-ups like this? Surely this kind of thing isn’t endemic to the industry as a whole?
0Fall in fuel prices makes no odds, anyone with a contract will have a fuel escalator built in, so their ppm will drop in line, or go up, with a decrease/increase in fuel. Being a large company, they can’t be as , erm, creative with their fuel escalator as a smaller company
The problem as I see it, is that all the big boys will pay the same for fuel , they can’t really control the price as Shell, BP etc are bigger than them. They can’t control the cost of the truck for the same reason, after that the only significant cost to the business is wages, and that’s where they have control. The argument that if everyone banded together that would collectively push up wages is correct, but then there is always the law of unforseen consequences to factor in. I work for myself because I don’t like to be told what to do. I have a very relaxed management style, I’ll talk through work with drivers and ask them for their opinions and what’s the best way to approach stuff, but if they were to go on strike or work to rule, I’d just walk away. I don’t think mine ever would strike though.
As for small companies like one, we exist because we provide a service level that the big boys can’t achieve and we are very niche, it’s a difficult, awkward job with a layer of complexity not found in most work. A couple of large firms have nibbled round the edges, but my sector really only has about 5-6 small firms in it. But we have less power than the big boys, so I can’t see change being driven from us, in fact generally speaking, I think it’s only going to get harder for smaller companies to compete.
You sound like the sort of boss I’d like to work for. I’ve often tried to put myself out with firms I’m working for, only to have my offer thrown in my face at the time, and a short while later - get told I’ve “got to” do something that I DON’T want to do, because it impacts upon my home life at short notice for example. I’ve banged on about it being a good idea for us less than dozen C+E drivers that work for an otherwise quite large firm to have regular meetings so we could input into drawing up better duties to make better use of kit, better family-friendly hours, etc. So far, because the management have a strong reluctance to work nights (they don’t get paid extra) and we night drivers have got no intention of coming in during office hours (because it would be illegal to do so, let alone bloody inconvenient and unsafe!) - we have this on-going situation where new duties need to be designed and implemented - with no consultation whatsoever!
One driver is going to be run ragged, whilst another finds themselves grounded all the time. That’s how disparate it is right now. I’m not the one being run ragged - I’m the grounded guy! I HATE being grounded! I don’t care if I get an early finish out of it… I want to be out on the road driving for my contracted hours, not buggering around in the yard trying to find something to do which is already covered by other staff…
For myself, I’d like a 4-on-4-off on permanent nights. I don’t mind working across weekends - as long as it’s not every week. I’m quite happy to rotate so I sometimes do weekends, sometimes get one off etc. which I would get with my desired pattern. Alas, at present I find myself working PM sundays to AM fridays meaning that whilst getting my legal 45 hours weekly rest every week - I can’t get overtime, because there’s no shifts that would fit into what I’m already doing. No overtime. Expected to work into my 6th day every week unpaid. It matters little to me that I work shorter shifts on those 6 days. I’d rather work 4 LONG shifts thanks very much! The daft thing is, all the other night drivers have the 4 day week already - I’m being denied it, because these guys apparently don’t want to do overtime. Maybe they fear it won’t be paid because I’ve heard on the grapevine that the 4 day weeks are not actually enshrined in the contract. That we all have 5 day weeks for which a 4 day shift pattern is a perk not a contract. This would mean that any of these guys coming in on day 5 would NOT be paid overtime for it. Thus, they don’t want to come in for day 5 - ever. Me, wanting overtime - get denied it because I’m already in across six days. ARRRGHHHH!
Well let’s see how it pans out. I can’t stay here much longer if I can’t make any inroads whatsoever in what seems to be totally haphazard management policy at where I work.
The more senior drivers have adopted a policy of “don’t volunteer for anything, it won’t be recognized if you do, and will be abused if you’re not careful”.
I despair at such thinking - but there’s only so long I can bang my head against this particular wall. Maybe I should write a “My Struggle” for drivers?
I’ll just have to look for a firm that consults it’s drivers or already has those shifts in the pattern for the job I’m actually applying for in my neck of the woods… It’s a shame I’m not in the golden triangle area.
Defined Shifts - Is it so much to ask? Costs the firms nothing, but saves the drivers a fortune as well as being family-friendly. CONCEPT: Ask drivers what their perfect method of attending for their contracted hours would be… - and create a duty that serves those hours/shifts.
caledoniandream:
The easiest way to make 1 million in transport is to start with 4 million.
It’s not all gold what blings there.
Yes if I invest over 5 million in a company and I can drive a big car and a big house it would be expected.
But if you see what the profit is against outlay and turnover, than most of us wouldn’t even think to start.
Most companies make more money out of “added” value, like warehousing, order picking, storage and repackaging.If it was so great, we would all start and run our own trucks, but it’s not.
Fuel fluctuation has no influence whatsoever as most companies tell you where they want the fuel part of a tender calculated on, and this goes up and down with the market.Niche markets and specialist jobs is where the money is, and they are few and very rare.
Once in a time you needed to make 13% profit of your turnover to be successful,that time is long gone.
To continue with my thoughts on the previous post - There must be great scope indeed to save hauliers an absolute fortune by becoming more efficient in the use of the kit and staff jointly. There are lots of other opportunities to make impromptu savings as well - with simple common-sense good management.
Ideas such as:-
(1) “Don’t send a vehicle out that needs to use a toll just before it goes free/just after it starts charging again”. Savings of double-digit pounds per shift per vehicle.
(2) “Don’t send a double decker to the tunnel when you know from the highways website that it’s got a 15’9” restriction tonight." Savings - whatever the fuel cost in going the wrong way around the M25 happens to be… £100+ per shift surely?
(3) “If you have more than enough fuel for your entire shift already - don’t feel the need to top it up before leaving the yard! Not only does one add to the weight of the vehicle (costing slightly more to run it) but the risk of spill increases, not to mention other safety hazards and infringements. Also, the Fuel Island might be choc-a-block at the same time for everyone, which is hardly “Green” with all those wagons waiting to fuel up, but have to wait their turn…” - Savings? Time and energy rather than cold hard cash.
(4) Fuel Ordering - I’m still working on this one. I’d like to know how long the price is fixed for when the fuel prices hauliers pay upon ordering are set. I suspect that it’s easily possible to knock 2-5% off a yard’s fuel bill - more details when I know more about how the system works. I’ve already brought this idea up at my depot, but I got fobbed off. It involves a manager spending some of their time each day looking at stuff like the page linked below…
You time your orders in any week to be later if the price has gone down (price change downwards might be 2-3 days coming at the retail end - so wait for it!)
and get your order in “sooner” - if the price has rocketed that day.
I understand that at present, fuel deliveries to haulier’s fuel bunkers are made on a “use 75% of the tank’s contents, place order” kind of system.
Surely there’s no rule that says you cannot flex it a bit, and “order a day early or late” to take advantage of a KNOWN price move that is in the pipeline on the official market already?
I do this with my car. I’ll be filling up tomorrow, because I anticipate that the drop in gasoline at the end of last week will feed through into forecourt prices by Monday. The best price I’ve seen around here is 112.7p at ASDA - so let’s see if I’m right for Tomorrow. I can’t really hang it out until Tuesday, 'cos I’m running on fumes now. My timing needs to be spot on obviously…
My point is that managers will know how fast they can use up their “spare” 25% of a bunker full, and can plan better around that. “Just In Time” model would work far better when applied to inanimate objects like fuel ordering rather than moaning drivers like me I reckon.
Winseer, I think you’re in danger of driving yourself round the twist. Be a driver or be a manager, take your pick. I’ve been both sides of the jump and I will finish my days as a driver, happily! As for the golden triangle there’s no shortage of £10 ph jobs with low hours…
truckman020:
and I know there are drivers out there earning £35,000 to £40,000 per year but they are run ragged to earn that
I’m in that bracket, and have done maybe a day a month this year when I have gone over 13 hrs, and have never been run ragged all the time ive been doing this job (2.5 yrs at the min)
You’d hate us Winseer, there is no regular work. We deal with high tech stuff and see it from drawing board to production via testing, which means no schedule at all. About 40% of our work doesn’t come in till the afternoon before. You might find a week of getting no further than 150 mile radius and home every night; the next week, out in a van, couple of nights in a hotel somewhere abroad waiting to do a swap over with another crew .
We always explain the varied nature of the work before people start and we always start with, ‘Are you alright for…’. Around 80% of the staff stay, so I’m guessing they are happy with it, bad as it sounds written down.
TiredAndEmotional:
Winseer, I think you’re in danger of driving yourself round the twist. Be a driver or be a manager, take your pick. I’ve been both sides of the jump and I will finish my days as a driver, happily! As for the golden triangle there’s no shortage of £10 ph jobs with low hours…
I’m happy to work long hours in exchange for decent pay and overtime.
If I don’t get it, some manager invariably argues that the firm cannot afford such things. I suggest ways of saving the firm money - but get knocked back. One could say that it’s a similar argument to “You’re a driver, so stop trying to be a manager on our behalf, and making us look bad”. Perhaps if I had some solid content to my current drivers job - I’d have less time idle to be the Devil Making Work huh?
I’m finding it hard to make ends meet without overtime. It also costs me 50% more to attend work six days per week than four. 
- Trying to manage my OWN finances you might say…
Would I go manager though? - A strong incentive to do so would be getting a final salary pension out of it. I don’t think such things are available any more these days though, so I’d rather stay as a driver and stay sane. Just as I’ve already said “I hate being grounded” - I’ve always found Office Work a strain because of my Dyslexia. I’m OK with stuff on a computer screen, and I’m not remedial as anyone can see (I thank a decent Grammar School system for that!) - but not other people’s handwriting, reading through paperwork, etc etc. Gives me a headache pretty damned quickly. I’m also Long Sighted, which makes me much more at ease looking at stuff on the road than anything indoors right in front of me - apart from Pootah Screens as I’ve said. The management vacancies when they come along - tend to be NOT those managers who spend all day in front of their screens, so I continue to not show any interest in the “openings” that do come along. 
Ye are all having a laugh if you think its going to stop cheap labour coming in the whole country is based on cheap labour and no one to fight there corner.
what will happen is we will have to bring more that we ever did in to fill the gap after all the none entitled people are shown the door, and before that you are going to have every relation of any person who is already here looking for visas so you haven’t seen anything yet, if now you think you live in a multy culture now just wait and see what coming.
As for wages anyone who works for buttons and also long hours for buttons deserves what they get nobody puts a gun to there head they have a mouth and a choice so if they don’t use it just let them stew in it.
This is a very interesting post ( for a change ) and some very good answers as to why…what…if…so heres my input.
The european migrants situation is not going to change very much, the eu will see to that, and our government is taking notice of the hundreds of companies who are are complaining what they will do for staff post brexit, it could be because most of them are in fact being run by eu migrants. As an individual, i seek what work is best for me, doesnt matter where it is, so long as me and my family can have a decent living and supply all of the family with what they need and desire…Many from the eastern bloc, also wished the same, but couldnt get it from their own countries, going weeks or months without being paid, shops empty and devoid of any products, queuing for the bare minimum of bread and milk was a chore every morning, and so once they were invited to join the eu, they didnt want to stay where the future looked bleak, so ventured abroad to where they could double a months wage in a week…and off they went…half a million Polish ended up in the uk, and is the second most popular language spoken…but…times are changing…their country is prospering in part thanks to the eu funding scheme…new infrastructure ,newer vehicles a higher standard of living for those left behind, and what with the weak pound, makes it a good move to go back, which is what is happening, as winseer said. There will still be those who will stay, have a steady job and a ready income, but i know for a fact, that many will return because home is where the heart is…and in this instance thats Poland…As the numbers decrease, so will their shops, transport etc, and who will replace them…yes thats right …more eastern europeans from a different country whose economy isnt doing so good, the english wont fill the positions as the wages are not high enough to support them, most have the whole rent to pay, the whole council tax and gas and electricity…it is not shared… and the way the system works is, theyre better off out of work, than in…blame the system not the user, The only immigrants i can see being restricted are those from outside the eu, africa, india etc, and they now have to have a job paying around 30 grand before being allocated a visa…so all of those who voted brexit to stop the flow of ee migrants…forget it…you wasted your vote, no matter how much migration was getting on your nerves, which is what troubled people most when deciding to leave or stay. i still believe that many ee drivers will stay as well, for although their economies are rising faster than you can say Sloty…they are still earning a great deal more, here, and can for some leave it in a bank here rather than sending it home and it losing value…the problem for us when going abroad on holiday for eg. I dont mind who comes here, so long as they work and pay their keep, what i do know is many from the ee that came here, was to take advantage of our generous benefit system and had/have no intention of working as they can survive nicely on free handouts, rent paid, etc etc, but sadly these arrivals do not represent the countries they came from, they are GYPSIES…who mostly have been outcast from within their own communities, they didnt want their kids educated, but taught them how to make a living illegally buy stealing, pick pocketing etc, and have exported their trades across europe, london is full of them, romanien ones who skim the cash points, use the buses and trains to rob innocent people, and they have come from all corners of europe , Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia is where most have come form, when czechoslovakia was one country, and wanted to join the eu, they were told we dont want your gypsies…so the country was split in two, with most gypsies living in the north…czech was allowed to join, but slovakia was not…until a few years down the line, then applied in their own right…what they all learned, was that as an eu citizen, they could claim child benefit, and once the word spread, over they came to register their kids…then took them back…but one romanian was on the tv, he made in benefits £40 grand a year, and his next aim was £60 grand, he bought an old transit and was collecting scrap metal, that added to his pile, every now and again he goes home and knocks another kid out, bringing it over to claim for that one…many follow suit…and i think its disgusting they can earn so much from my hard work, yet my reward as a pension is £7000 aftet working all of my life ( and still do ) this system will stop once we leave…unless the EU dictates as part opf the deal that we have to give eu citizens the same benefits as us…thats ok if ours can get one penny from the eu whilst abroad…but they wont.
albion:
You’d hate us Winseer, there is no regular work. We deal with high tech stuff and see it from drawing board to production via testing, which means no schedule at all. About 40% of our work doesn’t come in till the afternoon before. You might find a week of getting no further than 150 mile radius and home every night; the next week, out in a van, couple of nights in a hotel somewhere abroad waiting to do a swap over with another crew .We always explain the varied nature of the work before people start and we always start with, ‘Are you alright for…’. Around 80% of the staff stay, so I’m guessing they are happy with it, bad as it sounds written down.
Ouch! - You’re right. I’m not a guy for standing still, or drinking endless cups of tea/coffee, me. 