dozy:
Your calling the likes of me rob who was there in the 70,s / 80,s when those unions you can’t speak highly enough we’re running riot , strikes / walkouts every bloody week
I don’t need you or any one else to tell me what unions are about as I’ve seen it with my own eyes ,
As for if we all stocked together , I saw a workforce who were sick to the back teeth of strikes stick together , they voted to a man not to strike , the union shop stewards said it was a unanimous vote to strike , those [zb] only cared about them selfies , whenever there was layoffs not one of them was ever laid off , amazing as those [zb] never started there machines up , just sat there all night looking to cause trouble
As I say you might brain wash these kids on here about unions , but never me , my hatred for them [zb] will never abate
Hmmm…I grew up in the 70s too.
I generally dislike unions for the examples you give.
So I became a Union rep…I don’t care about what the Union does outside the gate. But the lads stand together as a union in their own best interests
dozy:
Your calling the likes of me rob who was there in the 70,s / 80,s when those unions you can’t speak highly enough we’re running riot , strikes / walkouts every bloody week
I don’t need you or any one else to tell me what unions are about as I’ve seen it with my own eyes ,
As for if we all stocked together , I saw a workforce who were sick to the back teeth of strikes stick together , they voted to a man not to strike , the union shop stewards said it was a unanimous vote to strike , those [zb] only cared about them selfies
The unfortunate fact amongst it all, was that when the working class was better unionised, then pay on the whole was better, jobs more secure, and conditions more dignified. Amongst all the conflict you bemoan, huge fruits were shook from the tree for workers.
whenever there was layoffs not one of them was ever laid off , amazing as those [zb] never started there machines up , just sat there all night looking to cause trouble
How does that differ from senior management? Do you think they spent most of their day doing something useful, rather than just looking for ways to attack the workforce - either their own, or another firm’s workforce which they seek to undercut? Do you think they get laid off regularly?
robroy:
It ain’t the Unions aim to bring down the Govt, although in history it indurectly has, …it is a bit of a daft thing to say.
And wtf has your last paragraph to do with the price of fish exactly?
The main aim of a union is to gain better conditions for workers and to step in when a firm is taking the ■■■■.
A simplified view but nevertheless accurate…[zb] all to do with ''bringing down governments you’ve been listening to too much anti Union propaganda b/s mate.
So you’d be against any strike action directed at the government when that government has made a stated aim and implemented a policy of taking away your job or imposing wage limits below the rate of inflation.( Miners’ strike and Unions v Callaghan administration respectively ).
Ironically in this case that would/should also mean strike action by truck drivers against the plan for rail.But that doesn’t suit the union agenda which has historically chucked truck drivers under the train.
The government has never been the friend of the working class or the road transport industry and unions are too easily corrupted and diverted by their own political aims.
Rjan:
How does that differ from senior management? Do you think they spent most of their day doing something useful, rather than just looking for ways to attack the workforce - either their own, or another firm’s workforce which they seek to undercut? Do you think they get laid off regularly?
The same senior management which had/have the government working for their interests.
The same government which uses inflation as a weapon to wipe out gains in income.
Which then applies a below inflation wage control regime as part of that.
Which shouts about competitiveness and productivety which actually just means undercutting wages and wanting more work done for the same wage.
If a union isn’t getting into conflict with the government sometimes if not often then it isn’t doing its job.
Instead of which the government has convinced the working class that the government is working for their interests and it’s militant to argue.
I was actually working in an affected industry and supported the justified militant actions against the government in the 1970’s.
Also with the sympathy of our own management.
Wage controls being imposed to fix oil price led inflation in an energy self sufficient economy.They couldn’t make it up.
Followed by the working class then turning against itself by allowing the Thatcher regime to finish the job that Callaghan started.
To the point where unions eventually became part of the problem not the solution.
Based on the oxymoron contained in Robroy’s idea of a non militant union.
The fact is solidarity means nothing without militancy being there to back it.The rest is history.
dozy:
Your calling the likes of me rob who was there in the 70,s / 80,s when those unions you can’t speak highly enough we’re running riot , strikes / walkouts every bloody week
I don’t need you or any one else to tell me what unions are about as I’ve seen it with my own eyes ,
As for if we all stocked together , I saw a workforce who were sick to the back teeth of strikes stick together , they voted to a man not to strike , the union shop stewards said it was a unanimous vote to strike , those [zb] only cared about them selfies , whenever there was layoffs not one of them was ever laid off , amazing as those [zb] never started there machines up , just sat there all night looking to cause trouble
As I say you might brain wash these kids on here about unions , but never me , my hatred for them [zb] will never abate
I ain’t ‘‘calling’’ anybody doze,.I’m just giving my take and opinions on Unions in general, and the unprofessional way I was dealt with by the URTU…
You know what mate?..I was also there in the 70s, working for GEC as an apprentice, I also saw all the negative ott stuff that went on, but on the plus side there was no zero hours contracts, no ‘‘fire and re.hire’’ dog ■■■■, no abuse of the workforce because the AEUW did not allow it, because the workforce were as one.
I don’t give a rats ■■■ what the guys in the higher echelons of the unions get up to,.as long as at grass roots level we had a decent work life, because you can sure as hell bet the senior management will have similar scams going and a lot more perks,.while their workers are at the bottom of the pile taking all the crap.
If urtu was like aslef we’d be having a legislated wage as a minimum- most companies will try to bully drivers with their own policies like DHL at Castle Donnington Marks & Spencer: I told them to VOR a truck as night driving with simon says style sensors illuminating my screen all the way from Leicester to sevenoaks and back plus the insane tinitus style alarm EVERY 5 TO TEN SECONDS left me frustrated and in a total world of defiance- this means the sensors were too sensitive and needed sorting but the little toy soldier trainer stood toe to toe with me (wanting confrontation) saying “WE’LL DECIDE IF A TRUCK NEEDS VOR -ING”
I never went back!
Wages and safety are only there if the boss holds ethics!
My experience of TGWU/Unite was far far worse than that Rob.Including in large part being to blame for a career ending injury caused by their idea of the job of a truck driver.I also saw no evidence that our other terms and conditions were any better than non union firms.
Around £7 per hour for class 1 nightwork was a rubbish wage even in the 1990’s.Let alone being told by the union that I’m also a warehouse labourer for the money.
The truth is unions are a political organisation dedicated to Labour Party policy not their members and especially not truck drivers.
As opposed to the rail industry.
Carryfast, did you ever consider that management, your workmates and the union had a gutfull of you telling them how to do their respective jobs. Who wouldn’t want rid of you.
Where I work union /management have negotiated a pay rise should been from April but due to reasons only getting it now and getting back dated payment as well so good for union I say.
But on flip side it’s took so long .
Unions are blaming management for it taking so long management blaming unions.
They wanted implent changes to our terms and conditions .
Management told us directly they have no intentions to change our rota terms and contact we have been paid our pay rise.
Majority of people are happy with it.
But the union arnt happy correct procedure wasn’t followed etc etc.
Story short unions are being childish and want us to vote for stirke action because they weren’t consulted propely .
which could risk losing work and contracts and jobs.
And by sound of it those that have been working at company for long time are voting for it just because they hate management and don’t care as there near retirement age anyway.
We got out pay rise haven’t changed our terms so why there’s pushing for us to strike is beyond me.
But apparently it’s ok we get £70 a day strike pay.
Personally I think unions are pointless only have there own agenda .
And sure I heard this new government is giving them more more as untie is funded or funds the labour party
You seem to have deliberately missed the evidence posted long ago that it wasn’t just me against POS Danny zb Bryan and his rotten union, curse their name.
I got on well enough with my workmates, no thanks for your advice.
It is a known fact (in CF’s universe) that lorry drivers are incapable of any form of manual work, and that they will instantly suffer skeletal damage if they attempt any.
That of course does not apply apply to other forms of human being, who can do the same work, with no risk of harm at all.
Thus proving that truckers are weaker and less dextrous than other forms of life. (in CF’s universe)
On the other hand maybe Carryfast is getting a raw deal here.
After a scan, I too have been told I have 2 bulged discs, which is developing into some fancy medical term (which I keep to myself as I hate fuss and sympathy of any kind…and especially kin sympathy ‘poor me’ type seekers.)
My knees actually knock now if I stand to long…(whilst trying to look cool and menacing in a ‘You aint coming in here with trainers on’ stylee.)
I also have a shoulder problem which aches like f in bed, … (whilst lying beside my ex.model wife.)
I also have a shoulder problem…(which interferes with my precision expertise reversing.)
But…I am still the fine figure of a man I have always been. (and none of this has effected my ego as you see.)
Seriously for a minute though…All of this I am told is down to ‘wear and tear’.
Now apart from me being quite active (in many ways ) in my younger life, most of this has been done through (too many) years of trucking…
So basically Carryfast may have a point, that is all I am saying.
Physically I’m in pretty much the same shape, but I have retained my Adonis looks.
The difference between him and us being we’ve been at this caper, 30~40 years, doing whatever had to be done, it’s called work ethic. Carryfast dipped his toes in and didn’t fancy the physical side of the job.
I agree. The problem with the way Carryfast labours the point (no pun intended) is that he believes you should spend the entire length of your shift doing nothing but actually driving the truck.
In the real world we all know that’s not how the job works the vast majority of the time. Supermarket/shop work will often require you to help at the delivery point, flatbed/industrial type stuff requires strapping down and a bit of manual labour, fridge work may have you in the trailer moving pallets with a pump truck after being loaded on the back by a forklift, multi drop may have an element of hand ball and so on with many many more examples.
I’d hazard a guess that Carryfast’s time in the industry ended a long time ago because he couldn’t grasp this concept.
Let’s just say that those scans might have looked a bit worse if some union POS official, had agreed on your behalf, for you to handball trailer loads 5 nights per week.
Because the firm decided that’s more profitable than employing warehouse staff and using pallets for transhipment operations.
As I said the difference between train drivers’ terms and conditions and unions v truck drivers.Your logic could also apply to an agreement by ASLEF and RMT for train drivers to work as warehouse labourers stuffing and tipping containers, by hand.
Without consultation or ballot.
if I stand to long…(whilst trying to look cool and menacing in a ‘You aint coming in here with trainers on’ stylee.
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(and none of this has effected my ego as you see.