Acorn:
Driving the Tesco van, is driving a goods vehicle, so domestic rules apply for the whole week. That’s pretty much the law Or can you suggest why not?
stu675:
Do you know what the domestic rules are? it has been shown that there are no set in law rest rules.
Priceless. Not that he needs me to stick up for him, but do you know Acorn is an active and qualified Transport Manager? As well as being highly experienced in official road traffic accident investigation? Basically, he knows a thing or two about traffic legislation.
Acorn:
Driving the Tesco van, is driving a goods vehicle, so domestic rules apply for the whole week. That’s pretty much the law Or can you suggest why not?
stu675:
Do you know what the domestic rules are? it has been shown that there are no set in law rest rules.
[emoji38] Priceless. Not that he needs me to stick up for him, but do you know Acorn is an active and qualified Transport Manager? As well as being highly experienced in official road traffic accident investigation? Basically, he knows a thing or two about traffic legislation.
Why would I know what Acorn is or what he does? The only time I’ve noticed his replies are incoherent. I don’t drive under the GB rules so have no reason to know them intimately like the EU rules, so I asked him if he knew what they were.
stu675:
Why would I know what Acorn is or what he does? I don’t drive under the GB rules so have no reason to know them intimately like the EU rules, so I asked him if he knew what they were.
Yes but you asked In a manner that suggested he didn’t know what he was talking about, and that you - or others - knew more, when he’d clearly quoted the legislation, but just failed to provide the appropriate link
Zac_A:
but do you know Acorn is an active and qualified Transport Manager? As well as being highly experienced in official road traffic accident investigation? Basically, he knows a thing or two about traffic legislation.
Acorn:
Domestic drivers Hrs comes under the Transport Act’68, it’s still in place, still applies and still requires a weekly rest.
I would have thought that a fully qualified TM would know what the domestic regs are and as was quoted
the GB domestic rules make no specific provision for rest periods or breaks
ROG:
I would have thought that a fully qualified TM would know what the domestic regs are and as was quoted
the GB domestic rules make no specific provision for rest periods or breaks
Punctuation is vital in legislation, you’ve cut the sentence off at a comma, not a full stop. As I posted earlier the full and legally relevant sentence is:
Whilst the GB domestic rules make no specific provision for rest periods or breaks, employers are required, under The Working Time Regulations 1998, to ensure that drivers have ‘adequate rest’ (which includes adequate breaks).
As much as I’m loathe to say anything too positive about Tesco’s, in this instance they were 100% correct to withdraw the offer of employment
ROG:
I would have thought that a fully qualified TM would know what the domestic regs are and as was quoted
the GB domestic rules make no specific provision for rest periods or breaks
Punctuation is vital in legislation, you’ve cut the sentence off at a comma, not a full stop. As I posted earlier the full and legally relevant sentence is:
Whilst the GB domestic rules make no specific provision for rest periods or breaks, employers are required, under The Working Time Regulations 1998, to ensure that drivers have ‘adequate rest’ (which includes adequate breaks).
As much as I’m loathe to say anything too positive about Tesco’s, in this instance they were 100% correct to withdraw the offer of employment
Punctuation is vital in legislation, you’ve cut the sentence off at a comma, not a full stop. As I posted earlier the full and legally relevant sentence is:
Whilst the GB domestic rules make no specific provision for rest periods or breaks, employers are required, under The Working Time Regulations 1998, to ensure that drivers have ‘adequate rest’ (which includes adequate breaks).
Perhaps if we look at. S96(6) of the Transport Act’68 where it says " (6)Subject to the provisions of this section, there shall be, in the case of each working week of a driver, a period of not less than twenty-four hours for which he is off duty, being a period either falling wholly in that week or beginning in that week and ending in the next week;
For most conversations that means 24hrs weekly rest.
If in doubt about what the DSVSA/.gov pages say, its always handy to go to the core legislation
stu675:
Do you know what the domestic rules are? it has been shown that there are no set in law rest rules.
What? I’ve posted them and linked to them in my post above.
You must take a rest of 10 hours before the first duty and immediately after the last duty in a working week.
You must take a rest of at least 10 hours between 2 working days (or spreadovers) - this can be reduced to 8.5 hours up to 3 times a week.
Fortnightly rest periods
Every 2 weeks you must take at least one period of 24 hours off duty.
Then there’s the Working Time Directive which also sets daily and weekly rest requirements. So there are actually two set in law rest rules.
Conor you have to be able to read to make use of the govt website. What you have posted about rest comes after the topic has changed to “Buses and coaches”
One big difference is in the US a Driver can park on the On / Off ramp of a Freeway, and they do not get charged a Parking Fee when in a Truck Stop. Plus unless it is a Company requirement the US don’t use a Tachograph, they are still on log books !!!
One big difference is in the US a Driver can park on the On / Off ramp of a Freeway, and they do not get charged a Parking Fee when in a Truck Stop. Plus unless it is a Company requirement the US don’t use a Tachograph, they are still on log books !!!
HGV can drive 8 hrs straight without a break. Buses can drive 10 hrs straight without a break.
Zb that! No wonder you do not need a tacho, it’s free reign.
What should have been a dull thread was made so interesting by the heavyweights of driver hour regulations. The Acorn v ROG face off is fascinating, and informative. None of this is relevant to me, but loved reading it.
Sabretooth:
Plus unless it is a Company requirement the US don’t use a Tachograph, they are still on log books !!!
Really?
There may be exceptions, but I thought trucks were on e-logs in the USA and Canada since 2017?
Don’t know about Canada, but the US only recommended it it never became a Federal Law, although some big companies have equipment fitted to GPS and Navigation system.
fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service … 0to%20keep.
“A3. The ELD applies to most motor carriers and drivers who are currently required to maintain records of duty status (RODS) per Part 395, 49 CFR 395.8(a). The rule applies to commercial buses as well as trucks, and to Canada- and Mexico-domiciled drivers.
The ELD rule allows limited exceptions to the ELD mandate, including:
Drivers who operate under the short-haul exceptions may continue using timecards; they are not required to keep RODS and will not be required to use ELDs.
Drivers who use paper RODS for not more than 8 days out of every 30-day period.
Drivers who conduct drive-away-tow-away operations, in which the vehicle being driven is the commodity being delivered.
Drivers of vehicles manufactured before 2000.”
Or can you suggest why not?
Priceless. Not that he needs me to stick up for him, but do you know Acorn is an active and qualified Transport Manager? As well as being highly experienced in official road traffic accident investigation? Basically, he knows a thing or two about traffic legislation.
