xamtex:
it always annoys me when cars try and pass you on an island…eg.the A43 from M1 TO M40…miles of dual carriageway…but you can bet on every island cars try and squeeze by…why?
Because they are brain dead, swivel eyed, pointy headed scrotums who are trying to spice up their otherwise meaningless existence of hawking tat around the country in their company Mondeo by pretending to be Jenson bleeding Button
i had a problem with mondeoman on thursday afternoon in dunstable…heading from j11 on m1 towards a5…where the dual carriagway goes to 1 lane at the lights just before the bridge…the normal 3 or 4 cars dived in front…my wagon enters the single lane…closely followed by its trailer when i clock a car still in lane 2…what would you do if you were mondeoman■■?
a,hit the pedestrian refuge in the middle of the road?
b,slow down and drop in behind the trailer?
answer…neither!!..he decided it would be best to drive into the o/s rear of the trailer and take the front off his car?
muppet…mondeo 0…M.A.N…1… after getting his details i left him under the bridge awaiting a tow truck.
muckles:
maybe because he was driving a left ■■■■■■ he had to take a different line into the roundabout so he could still see vehicles approaching from the right as he entered it.
And there is a bit in the highway code telling drivers to be aware that large vehicles may need more room.
If he crosses that white line he is still in the wrong …
He should have blocked both lanes entering the roundabout …
If you are taking a tight turn you use more of the road you are driving into but you make sure it’s clear before you do ?
Are you saying he should or shouldn’t occupy both lanes?
I often do this and I thought it was “taking command of the road” or some such.
I think i said >>> He should have blocked both lanes entering the roundabout …
Great idea in theory but the width of a truck is’nt always enough to stop the committed ones from trying to get down side or the other and you’d often need to move over long before the roundabout because a truck has to start decelerating long before the cars do and what do you do about roundabouts with three lanes or more on the approach with two or more marked straight ahead and one or more turning right?.You can’t use one truck’s width to cover all of that.It’s wrong to ask truck drivers to cater for the shortcomings in car driver training and road layouts.
If the truck crossed into the cars lane how is it the shortcomings of the car driver ? As someone stated the truck driver is the proffesional .
It is’nt a question of if the truck cuts across the lanes of a roundabout it’s a question of it definitely will do.It’s called cut in.There’s also the rear overhang which comes round in the opposite direction on the opposite side that’s called sweep and the tighter the turn the more both will be.So by your theory the driver will have to wait to make the turn or cross the roundabout until around 1 am when the traffic levels reach a point where it’s almost guaranteed that no idiots in cars or on bikes will be trying to get along the sides of a turning truck or one that’s going across a roundabout.So do you want to be sitting in the resulting traffic jams caused by parked trucks at every roundabout and turning while they wait for most of the cars and bikes to get home off the road??.By the way the same applies to buses often too.
muckles:
maybe because he was driving a left ■■■■■■ he had to take a different line into the roundabout so he could still see vehicles approaching from the right as he entered it.
And there is a bit in the highway code telling drivers to be aware that large vehicles may need more room.
If he crosses that white line he is still in the wrong …
He should have blocked both lanes entering the roundabout …
If you are taking a tight turn you use more of the road you are driving into but you make sure it’s clear before you do ?
Are you saying he should or shouldn’t occupy both lanes?
I often do this and I thought it was “taking command of the road” or some such.
I think i said >>> He should have blocked both lanes entering the roundabout …
Great idea in theory but the width of a truck is’nt always enough to stop the committed ones from trying to get down side or the other and you’d often need to move over long before the roundabout because a truck has to start decelerating long before the cars do and what do you do about roundabouts with three lanes or more on the approach with two or more marked straight ahead and one or more turning right?.You can’t use one truck’s width to cover all of that.It’s wrong to ask truck drivers to cater for the shortcomings in car driver training and road layouts.
If the truck crossed into the cars lane how is it the shortcomings of the car driver ? As someone stated the truck driver is the proffesional .
It is’nt a question of if the truck cuts across the lanes of a roundabout it’s a question of it definitely will do.It’s called cut in.There’s also the rear overhang which comes round in the opposite direction on the opposite side that’s called sweep and the tighter the turn the more both will be.So by your theory the driver will have to wait to make the turn or cross the roundabout until around 1 am when the traffic levels reach a point where it’s almost guaranteed that no idiots in cars or on bikes will be trying to get along the sides of a turning truck or one that’s going across a roundabout.So do you want to be sitting in the resulting traffic jams caused by parked trucks at every roundabout and turning while they wait for most of the cars and bikes to get home off the road??.By the way the same applies to buses often too.
Most trucks do not use their whole lane when entering in the first place …( Maybe other instructers will put their 2 cents in here ) Most trucks encroach on other lanes when there is no need to.
As for buses they are just as bad maybe a bus driver can answer the question as to why they always leave their ■■■ end sticking out at bus stops… if they approached there bus stops better they would have a better view in their mirrors when they decide to move of.
Irrespective of whether the lorry driver took the right line or not, the lady put herself in a vulnerable position of danger. Something, that had she bothered to take further driving training after the basic L test, she would have been taught not to do. Sadly, so few people do take further training even though its available at very little cost.
However, the lorry driver should have been aware of her & stopped if necessary, if he could do so in time, to avoid an accident. If i were an insurance assessor, i’d put this one down as knock for knock. i.e. both equally to blame.
Carryfast: Your Dad taught you soundly, but i guess he had driven trucks? Most ADI’s have never even sat in a truck.
The width of a truck is’nt always enough
If you put a kink in an artic you can it make it wider
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
If the truck crossed into the cars lane how is it the shortcomings of the car driver ?
how do you fit a square peg into a round hole? i.e. make a straight length go around a tight curve? Its a physical impossibility. Yes, the lorry driver should have taken more care, but, with your experience, you should know that the Ranger driver should not have put themselves in a vulnerable position. As someone mentions, it states in the HWC to look out for trucks requiring more room to manoeuvre at roundabouts and give them room to do so. Did she?
30 minutes delay & a bent motor for a hoped for 30 seconds gain. Not really worth it is it?
Driveroneuk:
Irrespective of whether the lorry driver took the right line or not, the lady put herself in a vulnerable position of danger. Something, that had she bothered to take further driving training after the basic L test, she would have been taught not to do. Sadly, so few people do take further training even though its available at very little cost.
However, the lorry driver should have been aware of her & stopped if necessary, if he could do so in time, to avoid an accident. If i were an insurance assessor, i’d put this one down as knock for knock. i.e. both equally to blame.
Carryfast: Your Dad taught you soundly, but i guess he had driven trucks? Most ADI’s have never even sat in a truck.
The width of a truck is’nt always enough
If you put a kink in an artic you can it make it wider
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
If the truck crossed into the cars lane how is it the shortcomings of the car driver ?
how do you fit a square peg into a round hole? i.e. make a straight length go around a tight curve? Its a physical impossibility. Yes, the lorry driver should have taken more care, but, with your experience, you should know that the Ranger driver should not have put themselves in a vulnerable position. As someone mentions, it states in the HWC to look out for trucks requiring more room to manoeuvre at roundabouts and give them room to do so. Did she?
30 minutes delay & a bent motor for a hoped for 30 seconds gain. Not really worth it is it?
To put in in a nutshell the truck crossed into the cars lane as you well know on a test that would be a failure ( Dangerous fault ) the car driver does not know about trucks and their needs but they kept in their lane not much more they can do.
Maybe the truck driver needs further training.
No insurace company will except a knock for knock if the truck encroached into the cars lane
You’ll be telling us next that, in a different scenario, if the truck was over double white lines when an accident occured it would automatically be the truck driver’s fault.
when learning to captian the USS DAF when we first went into a roundabout and he talked about the hazards of cars creeping up the inside etc he said how if needed you should block both lanes to stop it (if narrow lanes) and he gave me this advice
"would you rather delay someone for a few seconds or kill them :?: "
Driveroneuk:
Irrespective of whether the lorry driver took the right line or not, the lady put herself in a vulnerable position of danger. Something, that had she bothered to take further driving training after the basic L test, she would have been taught not to do. Sadly, so few people do take further training even though its available at very little cost.
However, the lorry driver should have been aware of her & stopped if necessary, if he could do so in time, to avoid an accident. If i were an insurance assessor, i’d put this one down as knock for knock. i.e. both equally to blame.
Carryfast: Your Dad taught you soundly, but i guess he had driven trucks? Most ADI’s have never even sat in a truck.
The width of a truck is’nt always enough
If you put a kink in an artic you can it make it wider
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
If the truck crossed into the cars lane how is it the shortcomings of the car driver ?
how do you fit a square peg into a round hole? i.e. make a straight length go around a tight curve? Its a physical impossibility. Yes, the lorry driver should have taken more care, but, with your experience, you should know that the Ranger driver should not have put themselves in a vulnerable position. As someone mentions, it states in the HWC to look out for trucks requiring more room to manoeuvre at roundabouts and give them room to do so. Did she?
30 minutes delay & a bent motor for a hoped for 30 seconds gain. Not really worth it is it?
To put in in a nutshell the truck crossed into the cars lane as you well know on a test that would be a failure ( Dangerous fault ) the car driver does not know about trucks and their needs but they kept in their lane not much more they can do.
Maybe the truck driver needs further training.
No insurace company will except a knock for knock if the truck encroached into the cars lane
So in addition to almost impossible hours regs etc etc etc you probably won’t even get the chance to get a licence anyway if you don’t try to do the almost impossible of keeping a 45 ft semi trailer within the more or less car’s width lane markings of multi lane roundabouts.I don’t mind because I’ve always been up for a challenge and I never managed to collect anyone with an artic or a wagon and drag.But in those conditions the wagon and drag comes out the winner every time as it won’t cut in like the artic.Which is probably why the Swiss like them so much because there it might mean the difference between trying to turn a truck into an aeroplane or not.
