This could be a reasonable deal for a young guy who has to catch a bus to go any where.Is he going to get his B then C and C+E all paid for?
sayersy:
you didn’t get off the dole on the YOP/YTS scheme. It was dole + £10 per week, plus expenses
I was on one in 1982, it was a scam to get the jobless figures down so you where a non claimant hence not on the dole, they then let the world know how they reduced unemployment and the scams still continue in various forms.
Harry Monk:
Mike-C:
I think its a great idea, a company putting its money and time into giving someone without qualifications or training the neccesary training to join their company and go work for them. Whats not to like ?That’s irony, right?
No, i meant it genuine. How many people have spent their own money to get the licences (also with no pay) themselves, then came across the “need 2 years experience” and all the other headaches . Here’s a company prepared to set you on the road. No brainer if you’re someone without a HGV licence looking to get into it.
Drift:
sayersy:
you didn’t get off the dole on the YOP/YTS scheme. It was dole + £10 per week, plus expensesI was on one in 1982, it was a scam to get the jobless figures down so you where a non claimant hence not on the dole, they then let the world know how they reduced unemployment and the scams still continue in various forms.
Back in the 80’s, I was on various YTS “schemes” that promised a “job at the end of it to anyone suitable” but after the 6 months, you’d basically been given no training to speak of, and were just expected to do all the dogsbody jobs. Fair enough, that wasn’t so bad - but then no job at the end of it, and hey presto - you’re always the “ideal candidate” to go on yet another YTS…
I eventually drew a line under it when Lucas CAV expected me to work sunday-friday 8pm-8am for the £25 a week being sported at the time.
I said “I’m only prepared to do that with a guaranteed job at the end of it” to which I was sacked on the spot, and escorted from the building.
I never played the “humour the liars in suits, and play along” game again after that. It was all about cheap labour, and the moment anyone complains - out you go. It’s somehow “arrogant” to expect a job after working a 72 hour week for 6 months for £25 a week apparently. 
Looks to me 18 months, 6 months free then the magical logistics training for 12 months, no mention of a tie in fee but bet your bottom dollar there is one.
Why cant they just be straight, we train likely candidates but you are obliged to work for us for X amount or you pay us back X amount should you decide to leave within a certain time scale.
Simples without the crap and window dressing.
Winseer
I worked on a YOP for Canada Cold Store in Liverpool, handballing 25kg boxes of butter into and out of 20 and 40 foot containers and Norfolk line wagons, it was hot back it was breaking work for £20 a week and you are correct as when your 6 months was done you where replaced with another YOP, slave labour to satisfy job statistics.
Us numbers?..noooo were free men 
Mike-C:
Harry Monk:
Mike-C:
I think its a great idea, a company putting its money and time into giving someone without qualifications or training the neccesary training to join their company and go work for them. Whats not to like ?That’s irony, right?
No, i meant it genuine. How many people have spent their own money to get the licences (also with no pay) themselves, then came across the “need 2 years experience” and all the other headaches.
I did when I started, but I didn’t get around the problem by agreeing to six month’s of slave labour. Come on Mike, get real, you aren’t really suggesting that TruckNet members should work for free for six months? I think Norbert Dentressangle and their customers make enough profit to pay a driver a wage.
Your first 6 month will be an unpaid traineeship (however you can still claim Job Seekers Allowance during this time) where you will acquire your Class 1 HGV License (Class C+E) and gain vital experience and training to ensure you`re ready to move onto the next step. Please note your traineeship could take less than 6 months depending on how long it takes you to acquire your license.
After 6 months you will move onto a 12 month logistics apprenticeship where you will earn £20,000 whilst also earning a further qualification. During this 12 months you will also begin driving more frequently for us - something which will set you up perfectly for the next step.
After 18 months you will begin on a permanent position with Norbert Dentressangle, working as a Class 1 driver at our prestigious contract in Northampton.
6 months to pass your test, crack on drive
Harry Monk:
I did when I started, but I didn’t get around the problem by agreeing to six month’s of slave labour. Come on Mike, get real, you aren’t really suggesting that TruckNet members should work for free for six months? I think Norbert Dentressangle and their customers make enough profit to pay a driver a wage.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think its a good offer for someone without a licence to get into the job. And also a good offer for someone without the means to get a licence under their own steam.
I recently posted a question…“who’s had training”, judging from the response (or lack of) i’d assume no one has. Here’s a company going to give you all that knowledge, hands on experience and training and pay you after they get you your licence ?
As it is now, there’s lots paid for their own licence, got no training at all, pay for their own DCPC, and they’ll be the guys saying that Norbet offer is a big con. Couldn’t make it up.
Gregory’s train up drivers, give them free training, pay them a salary while they are training and put them on full whack from the day they start making deliveries, not six months afterwards.
gdl.uk.com/recruitment_details.asp?JobID=216
Dentressangle are just a bunch of thieving, exploitative ■■■■■ 
Note the bit about " during the 12 months you will be driving more FREQUENTLY " - what will you be doing the rest of the time - suggest you may be in the warehouse and used as holiday/sick cover and to save on agency drivers as required.
I really do hope this is a genuine scheme and not a scheme to get free labour for 6 months
Mike-C:
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think its a good offer for someone without a licence to get into the job. And also a good offer for someone without the means to get a licence under their own steam.
This is how I got my PCV licence. 6 weeks on a training wage (about 80% of trained drivers) with an 18 month sliding scale to payback training costs if you left.
The issue I have with this is that ND are not paying the trainee at all and expect them to continue claiming JSA. This means we as taxpayers are paying the wage of an employee for a company who’s purpose is to make profit.
Would you willingly give £20 a week from your wages to ND? I bet you wouldn’t but you seem to think it acceptable by using this backdoor approach.
I am more than grateful for my company for paying for my DCPC, and the fact they pay me time and a half to do the courses, so grateful am I that I am going into work on the middle Saturday of my two weeks holiday next week to do my last course 
The tax payer paid for my HGV through the old RCT but I was contributing at the time and have done since
No one should be made to work for nothing, we have a minimum wage at least give dignity to these trainees who take up this appalling offer and pay them the bare minimum, after all the company will not be doing this out of the kindness of its heart but for its own logistical and business needs at the most cost effective way possible.
Stick a starving man between a rock and a hard place but one of those places has a carrot where is he going to go?
m1cks:
Mike-C:
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I think its a good offer for someone without a licence to get into the job. And also a good offer for someone without the means to get a licence under their own steam.This is how I got my PCV licence. 6 weeks on a training wage (about 80% of trained drivers) with an 18 month sliding scale to payback training costs if you left.
The issue I have with this is that ND are not paying the trainee at all and expect them to continue claiming JSA. This means we as taxpayers are paying the wage of an employee for a company who’s purpose is to make profit.
Would you willingly give £20 a week from your wages to ND? I bet you wouldn’t but you seem to think it acceptable by using this backdoor approach.
The advert says the 6 month period might be less, that depends upon how long it takes to pass your test, once you have and you’ve got your licence then your off on that 20k one year apprentiship, at least thats how it reads to me.
But to answer your question Mick, no i do not want to donate £20 a week to some froggy company. Lets get the scheme closed down and just pay the lads jobseekers until they can find some unskilled job that they might fit into.
It says ERF not RAF:
What’s a ‘Logistics Qualification’ ?
Its BS, that’s what it is…
Harry Monk:
Gregory’s train up drivers, give them free training, pay them a salary while they are training and put them on full whack from the day they start making deliveries, not six months afterwards.gdl.uk.com/recruitment_details.asp?JobID=216
Dentressangle are just a bunch of thieving, exploitative [zb]
Thats another good offer.
I would definitely not let someone loose in a truck if it took them six months to pass a test.
On the other hand, you do have to wonder how much actual training you’d get in that free six months. ND taking the ■■■■ and laughing all the way to the bank 
How many firms are there out there that rely on government subsidy to be able to take on staff on such an el-cheapo basis?
Slave labour can’t be a long-term business plan - not in today’s changing global marketplace.
When life becomes too cheap - it starts ending in droves to redress the balance.
…Perhaps the real reason behind all major conflicts in history. 
Mike-C:
Your first 6 month will be an unpaid traineeship (however you can still claim Job Seekers Allowance during this time) where you will acquire your Class 1 HGV License (Class C+E) and gain vital experience and training to ensure you`re ready to move onto the next step. Please note your traineeship could take less than 6 months depending on how long it takes you to acquire your license.
After 6 months you will move onto a 12 month logistics apprenticeship where you will earn £20,000 whilst also earning a further qualification. During this 12 months you will also begin driving more frequently for us - something which will set you up perfectly for the next step.
After 18 months you will begin on a permanent position with Norbert Dentressangle, working as a Class 1 driver at our prestigious contract in Northampton.
How many made it this far down the page before they hit the reply button and started banging on their keyboards about “norbert, the great fiddler”…not many i’ll bet
sound like a great offer, even to somebody with £2500 to pay for there own training and im sure they will even show you how to fill in a tacho card before you start drivin
The problem is, and we’ve all seen it on here often enough, even if you paid for your own test you’d struggle to find work due to lack of experience, by going through the ND scheme you’ll get your licence, proper training and a start in the industry, £20k is a fair bit less than other ND drivers are on (the ones I know of anyway!) but then again you’re an inexperienced driver and it’ll go up once you go driving full time, and once you get two years under your belt you can always find something else.