The depot I work from has Britvic’s Renault Mascott’s based there.
They are weigh above 3.5 tonnes as they have tacho’s fitted, I think they weigh about 5.5 tonnes so it’s definatley over 3.5 tonnes for tacho’s
Peter Smythe:
A discussion was had on this subject in relation to training school LGVS and it was concluded that they did not legally need to use tachos as they did not carry ‘goods’
Not exactly. The reason we don’t use tachos is because we are in the list of vehicle users that don’t need to. This includes armed forces etc etc. BUT, the exemption from tachos only applies when the vehicle is being used for the purpose of training towards driving test or use during a driver cpc module. So, just out of interest, post test training IS NOT exempt and we are required to use/retain tachos.
So the rule is nothing to do with carrying goods or otherwise - just it’s use for driver training as a stated exemption. Hope this helps
It does matter when doing refresher training as the person driving is not doing it to gain a licence or doing a JAUPT course - we went through all this last time - the not carrying of goods was the bit that mattered which is at the very start of the regulations.
But you are correct on the training for a licence or driver cpc course being a seperate exemption 
Are large American motorhomes exempt from needing a tacho?
Denis F:
killsville:
I’m now wondering if it may be worth e-mailing the authorities for a definitive answer!Thankfully my vehicle is over 25 years old anyway!
it would be worth asking
Our private hgv usually has a horse in it
so that counts as goods !!!
I think I will email them! I’m considering selling my 38 year old Atkinson and moving to a much newer Volvo (possibly an F10 or F12). I better get the right info to stay within the law!
When I go to rallies I normally stow my camping gear in the trailer to keep room in the cab. Shows how silly are laws could be if I didn’t put my sleeping bag and coolbox in the trailer!
Warren T. Claim:
Are large American motorhomes exempt from needing a tacho?
The only generalisation I could get from DVLA was this -
If more than 8 seats then it was under PCV rules
If 8 seats or less then it goes on the gross weight
sorry, if you want anything more than that then I suggest calling DVLA to get a definitive
mrpj:
killsville:
What if the vehicle does not carry any goods whatsoever? Does this make a difference?The wording suggests an exemption exists in those circumstances, however it doesn’t alter the fact that the vehicle need to be =/<7.5t .
Should be no problem for a 4x2 tractor unit. I think mine weighs in at about 6200kg.
ROG:
Warren T. Claim:
Are large American motorhomes exempt from needing a tacho?The only generalisation I could get from DVLA was this -
If more than 8 seats then it was under PCV rules
If 8 seats or less then it goes on the gross weightsorry, if you want anything more than that then I suggest calling DVLA to get a definitive
Another puzzler! Motorhomes were always exempt as they were not for hire or reward.
killsville:
ROG:
Warren T. Claim:
Are large American motorhomes exempt from needing a tacho?The only generalisation I could get from DVLA was this -
If more than 8 seats then it was under PCV rules
If 8 seats or less then it goes on the gross weightsorry, if you want anything more than that then I suggest calling DVLA to get a definitive
Another puzzler! Motorhomes were always exempt as they were not for hire or reward.
But you need a class 2 if they are over 7.5t. What if you converted and old bendy bus to a motorhome? would you need class 1 or 2■■?
Bendy buses have already been discussed, I believe that as they dont have a “trailer” as such, they are class 2 (or C in new money).
Mike
Warren T. Claim:
What if you converted and old bendy bus to a motorhome? would you need class 1 or 2■■?
It comes under a normal D licence as it doesnt come apart like a regular artic…
It does matter when doing refresher training as the person driving is not doing it to gain a licence or doing a JAUPT course - we went through all this last time - the not carrying of goods was the bit that mattered which is at the very start of the regulations.
Thought that’s what I said!?!?
Warren T. Claim:
Are large American motorhomes exempt from needing a tacho?
As American motorhomes are neither goods or passenger carrying vehicles they don’t require a tachograph.
Peter Smythe:
It does matter when doing refresher training as the person driving is not doing it to gain a licence or doing a JAUPT course - we went through all this last time - the not carrying of goods was the bit that mattered which is at the very start of the regulations.
Thought that’s what I said!?!?
Sorry Peter, I thought you were referring to the specific bit in the regs that said training schools were exempt - that bit does not include refreshers by those that have a full licence.
Vehicles used for driving instruction and examination with a view to obtaining a driving licence or a certificate of professional competence, provided that they are not being used for the commercial carriage of goods or passengers.
Includes instruction for renewal of Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC).
Those that have a full licence are covered by the bit at the start of the regs that refers to the carrying of goods.
The EU rules (Regulation (EC) 561/2006) apply to drivers of most vehicles used for the carriage of goods
It is the quote above that I think also covers a private tractor unit plated at over 7.5 tonnes becase it does not carry goods.
Warren T. Claim:
killsville:
ROG:
Warren T. Claim:
Are large American motorhomes exempt from needing a tacho?The only generalisation I could get from DVLA was this -
If more than 8 seats then it was under PCV rules
If 8 seats or less then it goes on the gross weightsorry, if you want anything more than that then I suggest calling DVLA to get a definitive
Another puzzler! Motorhomes were always exempt as they were not for hire or reward.
But you need a class 2 if they are over 7.5t. What if you converted and old bendy bus to a motorhome? would you need class 1 or 2■■?
Allegedly you only need a C1 licence to drive a motor home which is over 3.5 tonnes and under 7.5 tonnes.
And a C1 + E to tow a trailer behind it
ajdavis64:
Allegedly you only need a C1 licence to drive a motor home which is over 3.5 tonnes and under 7.5 tonnes.
And a C1 + E to tow a trailer behind it
That was what DVLA said - unless it has more than 8 passenger seats - then it comes under PCV licence - D1 if under 17 seats
I have verbal answers from 2 different traffic examiners at 2 different VOSA stations - both said the same -
As the unit, no matter what the plated weight, does not carry goods, then it is out-of-scope = no tachograph required.