Well as I suspected that was nowhere near enough… I put the 25l in and instead of going up to 2.5 out of 5 stages it went up to 3.5. I then bled all the air out of the ram and now it only goes up to just over 3 out of 5. So it’s going to need another full drum and at least half of a third one I suspect.
Paul
if u need hydrolic oil do what i use to do and get chatting with a pertec (sp) bloke and try n get some cheap of him 
repton:
Well as I suspected that was nowhere near enough… I put the 25l in and instead of going up to 2.5 out of 5 stages it went up to 3.5. I then bled all the air out of the ram and now it only goes up to just over 3 out of 5. So it’s going to need another full drum and at least half of a third one I suspect.Paul
I hope your tank is big enough to take another drum and a half, otherwise your cost cutting weight saving ideas may have backfired on you. It seems that the general concensus for a 44 tonne tipper is a hydraulic reservoir of about 180 / 200 litre capacity.
Wheel Nut:
I hope your tank is big enough to take another drum and a half, otherwise your cost cutting weight saving ideas may have backfired on you. It seems that the general concensus for a 44 tonne tipper is a hydraulic reservoir of about 180 / 200 litre capacity.
Time will tell on that one, the tipping gear and combi tank came already fitted on the unit so I’ve no idea how big the hydraulic side is but lets hope it’ll take another 40 or so litres… That said it should be big enough as the guy I got it off used to use it for exactly the same thing as I will be doing. I’ve got two more 25l drums sat in the back of my Land Rover and I’m heading over first thing tomorrow to have another go at getting it sorted.
Paul
repton:
Wheel Nut:
I hope your tank is big enough to take another drum and a half, otherwise your cost cutting weight saving ideas may have backfired on you. It seems that the general concensus for a 44 tonne tipper is a hydraulic reservoir of about 180 / 200 litre capacity.Time will tell on that one, the tipping gear and combi tank came already fitted on the unit so I’ve no idea how big the hydraulic side is but lets hope it’ll take another 40 or so litres… That said it should be big enough as the guy I got it off used to use it for exactly the same thing as I will be doing. I’ve got two more 25l drums sat in the back of my Land Rover and I’m heading over first thing tomorrow to have another go at getting it sorted.
Paul
You’ll be surprised how much oil you need to lift the 1st can, and how little for the last. 25l may well be enough I’m sure 50 definitely will.
Well it seems the answer to my initial question is “about 60 litres” as the second 25l drum was almost enough to get it to the top so I put some more in until it would go right up and then dropped it down and put another 5 litres in the tank for good measure.
Been on the phone to the TASCC people today too and it looks like I’ll be on the road tomorrow.
Paul
repton:
Well it seems the answer to my initial question is “about 60 litres” as the second 25l drum was almost enough to get it to the top so I put some more in until it would go right up and then dropped it down and put another 5 litres in the tank for good measure.Been on the phone to the TASCC people today too and it looks like I’ll be on the road tomorrow.
Paul
You could have probably saved a bit of oil and popped a couple of ■■■■■■ in the tank
Wheel Nut:
repton:
Well it seems the answer to my initial question is “about 60 litres” as the second 25l drum was almost enough to get it to the top so I put some more in until it would go right up and then dropped it down and put another 5 litres in the tank for good measure.Been on the phone to the TASCC people today too and it looks like I’ll be on the road tomorrow.
Paul
You could have probably saved a bit of oil and popped a couple of ■■■■■■ in the tank
washed down with Red Bull?
shuttlespanker:
what about lowering the ram all the way down, then fill the tank to just below the top of the filler neck to allow for expansionit’s what i used to do on plant machinery with the same type of thing
so, you did pretty much what i suggested in the first place 
shuttlespanker:
so, you did pretty much what i suggested in the first place
Not really, there’s still no sign of it being anywhere near the top of the tank as far as I can tell. There’s a strainer thing inside the cap that goes 3-4 inches down into the tank and it’s below the level of that but how far below I’ve no idea as there’s no way to tell.
Essentially I put enough in to get the ram to the top and then an extra gallon or so just to make sure.
Paul
repton:
shuttlespanker:
what about lowering the ram all the way down, then fill the tank to just below the top of the filler neck to allow for expansionWell, I don’t know how much that will take so even doing that I don’t know how much I need to buy, but the main reason not to do that is that on bulk work payload is king so I don’t want to have any more in there than I actually need.
Paul
Now that’s being really fussy. What difference is 20 or 30 kg’s gonna make seriously. Make sure you take a good dump in the morning before goin to work no money in that load 
ellies dad:
Now that’s being really fussy. What difference is 20 or 30 kg’s gonna make seriously. Make sure you take a good dump in the morning before goin to work no money in that load
It doesn’t make a huge difference by itself but if you can save 20 or 30kg in a few places it soon starts to add up to something worthwhile. If you could get an extra 30kg on every load over a year it would put you over 100quid better off which in the grand scale of things isn’t huge but I would sooner have that 100quid than carry 30kg of hydraulic oil around all year that I don’t need.
Paul
repton:
It doesn’t make a huge difference by itself but if you can save 20 or 30kg in a few places it soon starts to add up to something worthwhile.
True, but would you run the engine with the dipstick on ‘min’ every day just to save 5 kilos? Or the coolant, diff oil or gearbox oil? Do you fill the screenwash bottle to the top or just enough to keep you going that day?
Surely there comes a point where the weight saving gets silly! Personally if I wanted to save weight I would be more inclined to dump the air kit/deflectors (not much use on a bulker really) and get rid of all the crap out of the cab.
That extra 30kg of hyd oil you have been carrying around might just be enough one day to get your load tipped and get back to base when you’ve sprung a leak, instead of having to run back loaded (and at your expense) to fix the leak and top up the oil (or call out pirtek which would be just as expensive). Your 100 quid a year gross profit wouldn’t get you far in that scenario.
IF you really wish to save weight look at getting a new lightweight trailer/tipper
where i was working before i had to stop , our new tankers weighed 5.800kg and we
could load 28tn plus and still not be over 40tn so if you have a 3axled tractor and
a lightweight tipper you should be able to load 30tn plus , that is a investment
but as every one has pointed out , haveing not enough oil is not the right way to do the job
brit pete:
IF you really wish to save weight look at getting a new lightweight trailer/tipper
where i was working before i had to stop , our new tankers weighed 5.800kg and we
could load 28tn plus and still not be over 40tn so if you have a 3axled tractor and
a lightweight tipper you should be able to load 30tn plus , that is a investment
but as every one has pointed out , haveing not enough oil is not the right way to do the job
Pete, as a new owner driver, you have to learn to walk before you can run a marathon, so Paul lashing out on a new trailer is hardly an option. What price these superlightweight trailers? definitely more in maintenance and downtime against a proven design.
I wish Repton all the best, he has some big ■■■■■■■■, maybe they will put him overweight
Wheel Nut I agree with your answer , however to save weight by not carrying the
right amount of oil etc is not a answer, We have not carried spare wheels for the last
12years of my working at the firm i was , For a O/D not sure if this would work all i can
say is that over a set weight they were payed a kilo price for the load carried which was
mostly fluids, i will ask a friend tonoght when he comes home what his set can carry
as he works over here on tippers ,hasRepton got lightweight wheels fitted throughout
this is a big saving of over 300kilos or more.
brit pete:
Wheel Nut I agree with your answer , however to save weight by not carrying the
right amount of oil etc is not a answer, We have not carried spare wheels for the last
12years of my working at the firm i was , For a O/D not sure if this would work all i can
say is that over a set weight they were payed a kilo price for the load carried which was
mostly fluids, i will ask a friend tonoght when he comes home what his set can carry
as he works over here on tippers ,hasRepton got lightweight wheels fitted throughout
this is a big saving of over 300kilos or more.
Here you are Peter. It looks like it already has alloys, it has lightweight gasfilled bulbs in the orange light bar and as Repton only goes to Liverpool he doesn’t need a sleeper cab. He could probably get more paid weight on by not filling that big fuel tank and just carrying a fuel card and putting 50 litres in at a time.
Everybody agrees that scrimping on hydraulic oil is not the answer, but it isn’t as though he syphoned some out to gain more payload 
It’s not that I don’t want to carry enough, I just don’t want to needlessly carry too much. There’s at least a gallon more in there than it needs to get to the top and nine out of ten loads that we carry will come out fine with the thing little more than halfway up so I could lose the best part of 10 gallons and still be able to get my load out in most cases, and if I had lost that much then I would have bigger problems than worrying about getting my load tipped…
I do fill the diesel tank to the top but it isn’t as big as you think as half of that tank is for the hydraulic oil. The diesel side is only about 300 litres.
Paul
Wheel Nut:
Here you are Peter. It looks like it already has alloys
The trailer does but the unit doesn’t, yet. They’re on my shopping list though when I can find a sensibly priced set second hand.
Wheel Nut:
only goes to Liverpool he doesn’t need a sleeper cab
I got to test the sleeper on Wednesday night when I ran out of time about half an hour from home. I can confirm that the bunk works just fine…
Paul
FH16Globetrotter:
True, but would you run the engine with the dipstick on ‘min’ every day just to save 5 kilos? Or the coolant, diff oil or gearbox oil? Do you fill the screenwash bottle to the top or just enough to keep you going that day?
I keep all those filled up as the last thing I want to do is kill my engine and so on by not giving them enough oil. Being slightly short on hydraulic oil isn’t going to break anything.
FH16Globetrotter:
Surely there comes a point where the weight saving gets silly! Personally if I wanted to save weight I would be more inclined to dump the air kit/deflectors (not much use on a bulker really) and get rid of all the crap out of the cab.
I have seriously considered getting shot of the deflector off the top but as I expect to be pulling curtainsiders a lot through the winter when bulk work is quiet I’ve decided to leave it on for now. If that doesn’t happen and I end up on bulk grain or spuds most of the time it may well come off.
I agree you can get silly with it, but I don’t think not wanting to go out and buy and then carry up and down the country extra hydraulic oil just to fill the tank to the top counts as silly.
Paul
