ERF MAN:
You obviously haven’t sampled the luxury of beaconsfield services. Every speciality that cobham has to offer plus a pub. Might not get parked though as will be full of EE.
I don’t blame the drivers, there having a go, and I take my hat to anyone who does so including wabarers, it’s our government who are to blame again. Getting sick of keep saying that
Not having a go so please dont take it that way but what are the UK govt to blame for? UK co’s have just as much right over here… 
AndrewG:
ERF MAN:
You obviously haven’t sampled the luxury of beaconsfield services. Every speciality that cobham has to offer plus a pub. Might not get parked though as will be full of EE.
I don’t blame the drivers, there having a go, and I take my hat to anyone who does so including wabarers, it’s our government who are to blame again. Getting sick of keep saying thatNot having a go so please dont take it that way but what are the UK govt to blame for? UK co’s have just as much right over here…
I hate this attitude these days between EU and UK drivers, at the end of the day were all drivers trying to make a living, there are good and bad drivers all across the world, the only reason were seeing more of this these days is due to the higher demand and the amount of drivers needed. on a personal note I missed the birth of my son due to working away so much, in the past 17 years I have spent more time oversea than in my own country. On Christmas eve just gone there was a Romanian and French Driver in my cab playing cards, if we all got on there would be less issues, but i have learned one thing, don’t play cards with a Romanian, they say they cant play but its a bluff
DaveTheMinion:
AndrewG:
ERF MAN:
You obviously haven’t sampled the luxury of beaconsfield services. Every speciality that cobham has to offer plus a pub. Might not get parked though as will be full of EE.
I don’t blame the drivers, there having a go, and I take my hat to anyone who does so including wabarers, it’s our government who are to blame again. Getting sick of keep saying thatNot having a go so please dont take it that way but what are the UK govt to blame for? UK co’s have just as much right over here…
I hate this attitude these days between EU and UK drivers, at the end of the day were all drivers trying to make a living, there are good and bad drivers all across the world:
Exactly this…
The “Six points OK” crowd is coming home to roost…
It’s my understanding that Waberers employ a number of Britons originating their journeys inside Hungary… What drives a British driver to migrate to a country that then sends him straight back to the UK for a fraction of the wage he’d have got doing the same journey “the other way around”? The risks are the same surely? Running the gauntlet at Calais, trying to find a layby when until recently they’d all be full of Stobarts and Nobby Dressingtable-■■■ XPOs, and of course “booking mickey mouse breaks” on the ferry (not long enough to count as “Daily Rest”) or the Fuel Pumps (“A quick 15 here whilst I dawdle in the loos trying to have a crap”)
There can be no doubting that Waberers have a lot of presence in this country now. But for how much longer? - Exchange rates being against the Pound would surely accelerate this apparent trend for “Eloping to Budapest” and “I’m walking backwards for Christmas” as Spike Milligan might have said. 
AndrewG:
DaveTheMinion:
AndrewG:
What is this? Slate the Euro drivers thread? And pick on Waberers? A large company with hundreds of drivers who do very many more km’s a week than any UK drivers will by the numbers have more issues than a small outfit. Pictures like these can be found anywhere on the net and theyre certainly not limited to Waberers. And what is actually wrong with parking up for xmas? Most of their drivers are hugely experienced decent guys who are just happy they actually have a job to be able to put a crust on the table…So what your saying is you know how many miles all UK drivers do each week? Please let me know how you know this! and while were at it most UK drivers are also hugely experienced decent guys who are just happy they actually have a job that allows them to put food on the table…
Well i cant obviously put a figure on it now can i
Why do ee drivers have to contend with different rules & regs and border crossings.Unless going our of an eu country of course…In that respect there job is no harder than ours.
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It used to be Norbet Dentandtangle and Willi Betz that had the criticism now its Stobbies and Waberers who get the stick
Considering the size of these 4 they have been more prominent on the roads and get noticed more if a small percentage make a balls up
With (according to their site) 3400 freight units they are a big outfit and so will have a bigger chance of being in an incident. What is relevant is how many incidents they have per vehicle/km travelled Id say. I wonder if anyone whos got nowt to do this Sunday morning may be able to dig up summat?
As a point of interest they were more than 50 Waberers artics parked up over Xmas in the secure park at Communay, Lyon. Presumably all or most drivers would have been bused out They have a reserved space in the secure park on A5 Paris. Clearly they pay the rate for these facilities, and if there is no space left for others to park then this must be a sign of inadequate provision, surely? Inadequate parking is a long running problem in the UK and shouldnt be blamed on those looking for parking space. Over density of population and subsequent high land prices is surely the culprit here. Now on the other hand if a company can afford to have empty trucks with their crews "hanging on hooks" waiting for a load (Im talking of outside holiday periods) and still undercut the opposition then one has only to look at their lower overheads to see why/how, but no need here for another Brexit debate here . . . .Please, no.
Seems to me the OP has raised a question, about safety and driving standards, and were debating it without any figures. Lets see if anyone can dig up some info. I`m off to the supermarket. Oh, joy.
mrginge:
Markk80:
Have seen pictures of many companies in similar circumstances, most of the biggest in UK can be find online in no time. So what’s the difference?Exactly, so why has the OP picked on Waberers?
'cause he has just discovered how to use google? What a pointless thread.
newmercman:
It’s the same all over, the biggest firms have more accidents than smaller firms, it’s the law of averages.In the US if you see a pile up on an interstate, there will be a FedEx truck in the middle of it, yet if you key their DOT number into the national crash database you can see that as a fleet, they have a very low number of accidents per million miles travelled.
On a slightly more disturbing note, I just arrived back in Britain today after a 5yr absence and there wasn’t many UK registered lorries on the M25 between Heathrow and the A2, I popped into the new services at Cobham and OMG, after almost 9yrs of North American crap food, I could move into that place and stay there forever, all it needs is a pub and it would be nirvana. Things have changed since I last went in a UK service station.
To keep the post on track, I nearly got wiped out on the way in by an EE lorry that came out of a filter lane and straight across the front of me without a glance in his mirrors and again on the way out, an EE just changed lanes into the wrong lane, then went back into his original lane before stopping and backing up to avoid hitting the big high kerb with his trailer wheels.
I kept at least a lane between them and us when I got back out on the M25 as they seem a little unpredictable.
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daftvader:
AndrewG:
DaveTheMinion:
AndrewG:
What is this? Slate the Euro drivers thread? And pick on Waberers? A large company with hundreds of drivers who do very many more km’s a week than any UK drivers will by the numbers have more issues than a small outfit. Pictures like these can be found anywhere on the net and theyre certainly not limited to Waberers. And what is actually wrong with parking up for xmas? Most of their drivers are hugely experienced decent guys who are just happy they actually have a job to be able to put a crust on the table…So what your saying is you know how many miles all UK drivers do each week? Please let me know how you know this! and while were at it most UK drivers are also hugely experienced decent guys who are just happy they actually have a job that allows them to put food on the table…
Well i cant obviously put a figure on it now can i
Why do ee drivers have to contend with different rules & regs and border crossings.Unless going our of an eu country of course…In that respect there job is no harder than ours.
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On and off the boat grief, chasing ferry times, different weight /axle load limits from one country to the next, Vignettes for Austrian roads, having a DKV card for Swiss roads (although out of the EU but used as a traversing country) Autostrada via cards ect ect. No UK driver has to deal with any of this going from Birmingham to Travis Perkins Dover and has less to think about hence very much easier working on the island…
mrginge:
Markk80:
Have seen pictures of many companies in similar circumstances, most of the biggest in UK can be find online in no time. So what’s the difference?Exactly, so why has the OP picked on Waberers?
Because the same pictures were all over one of the trucking threads on Facebook yesterday?
Waberers aren’t a problem around here, we have Dovenbecks blocking up all the laybys around Oxford. Even when they aren’t there these laybys are no go areas because of all the human faeces and litter. It’s looking likely that the laybys on the A4142 will be closed to overnighters, judging from local news reports. The one benefit they bring is that speed camera vans aren’t in the area as much as even the camera operators have complained about the turds. It was on local radio last year that a copper trod in a Bulgarian Baby whilst being interviewed. 
Every cloud and all that.
mrginge:
Markk80:
Have seen pictures of many companies in similar circumstances, most of the biggest in UK can be find online in no time. So what’s the difference?Exactly, so why has the OP picked on Waberers?
Because I’m asking a question. The title states: “The worst haulage company in Europe?”
I picked on Waberers because in my opinion they appear to be the worst.
AndrewG:
daftvader:
AndrewG:
AndrewG:
What is this? Slate the Euro drivers thread? And pick on Waberers? A large company with hundreds of drivers who do very many more km’s a week than any UK drivers will by the numbers have more issues than a small outfit. Pictures like these can be found anywhere on the net and theyre certainly not limited to Waberers. And what is actually wrong with parking up for xmas? Most of their drivers are hugely experienced decent guys who are just happy they actually have a job to be able to put a crust on the table…Well i cant obviously put a figure on it now can i
Why do ee drivers have to contend with different rules & regs and border crossings.Unless going our of an eu country of course…In that respect there job is no harder than ours.
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On and off the boat grief, chasing ferry times, different weight /axle load limits from one country to the next, Vignettes for Austrian roads, having a DKV card for Swiss roads (although out of the EU but used as a traversing country) Autostrada via cards ect ect. No UK driver has to deal with any of this going from Birmingham to Travis Perkins Dover and has less to think about hence very much easier working on the island…
You don’t have a vignette for Austria for trucks its a toll box, and most have a toll box for Italy and just about every other country that requires them, sometimes I’m surprised you can see out of the window there are so many.
as far chasing ferry times no worse than chasing RDC times, never found on and off the boat much grief, except for ramp angles with a low trailer.
Personally I’d much rather drive 700kms a day through much of Europe than try and do 500kms a day in the UK especially the South East.
As for Warberers, don’t have a problem with their drivers in particular, but I’m sure like all haulage companies they have their fare share of “special” drivers.
The problem is what Warberers and the rest of the EE transport represents.
Transport done far cheaper than companies in Western Europe can do it, because of cheap labour.
and plenty of companies have jumped on that bandwagon of setting up in Eastern Europe to pull trailers round Western Europe, (even some Spanish ones, using Romanian registered units to pull Spanish registered trailer, despite the unemployment rate in Spain being around 20%) this has virtually wiped out Western European based companies doing long distance European haulage.
The Germans and French after pressure from their unions have tried to do something about with their minimum wage regulations, but they’ve been challenged by the EU after protests from East European companies, which pretty much proves that EU regulations governing free movement of labour, goods and capital is about big business being able to drive down pay and conditions and not about equality for the people of Europe.
Maybe the worst that come over here, or the worst we see.
But if you want to see stunts, go to Italy or Spain.
Portugal take some beating too, not forgetting Greece, or a bit close Ireland.
However if you look at big companies over here, the likes like Stobbart, Dentresangle (now XPO) etc you can find many similair pictures.
And good for Waberers to bus their drivers home for Christmas and New Year.
Spend many a Christmas away in Italy and Finland, because the company didn’t offer to get us back.
I think if you look at numbers, it could be all not that bad.
Never knock anybody for trying, many Brits drivers went in the past over to work for European hauliers and struggled (to say the least) with LHD.
Comments about work being done by “cheaper” labour,is correct,BUT they get paid a wage that is relevant to their home Country,
Cost of living is cheaper thats why us Brits go on holiday to some of these Countries to get more for our money
Big Truck:
newmercman:
It’s the same all over, the biggest firms have more accidents than smaller firms, it’s the law of averages.In the US if you see a pile up on an interstate, there will be a FedEx truck in the middle of it, yet if you key their DOT number into the national crash database you can see that as a fleet, they have a very low number of accidents per million miles travelled.
On a slightly more disturbing note, I just arrived back in Britain today after a 5yr absence and there wasn’t many UK registered lorries on the M25 between Heathrow and the A2, I popped into the new services at Cobham and OMG, after almost 9yrs of North American crap food, I could move into that place and stay there forever, all it needs is a pub and it would be nirvana. Things have changed since I last went in a UK service station.
To keep the post on track, I nearly got wiped out on the way in by an EE lorry that came out of a filter lane and straight across the front of me without a glance in his mirrors and again on the way out, an EE just changed lanes into the wrong lane, then went back into his original lane before stopping and backing up to avoid hitting the big high kerb with his trailer wheels.
I kept at least a lane between them and us when I got back out on the M25 as they seem a little unpredictable.
Are you trying to avoid the bad Winter out there NMM wee trip for our nice mild one!!![emoji6]
See on FB bit hairy about North Dakota (Boise/Bismark) -60wind chill,
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I’m rather enjoying the fact that I can breathe through my nose outside, at home I can’t as my snot is frozen within a few breaths.
Heres a link to a Wikipedia page on road accident deaths. [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate) I cant find anything specifically about HGVs etc in there. Maybe someone else will be able to dig deeper?
I would suggest that the 3rd column on fatalities on vehicle/distance may be the most useful, but since that isnt available for all countries then maybe the 2nd column about deaths related to vehicle numbers is helpful? Ill pick a few out if I may: (road fatalities per 1000,000 vehicles)
UK: 5.1
Eire: 7.6
France: 7.6
Germany: 6.8
Greece: 12.8
Poland: 15.8
Hungary: 20.7
Bulgaria: 17.2
Morocco: 209
The problem that I see with this table is it may give some guide to driving standards in the relevant country, but will be affected by lots of other factors. A poor country with inferior road engineering will be worse off. I know that France says it suffers from accident rates shooting up in the summer because of people transiting the country and racing down to the beaches, or ferries etc, and skewing the figures.
However, I`d say that from my personal experience of driving in most of these countries the figures do show some relation to the driving standards found there.
Hi NMM.Maybe you should consider nasal inserts,like Keith Richards had fitted
lolipop:
Comments about work being done by “cheaper” labour,is correct,BUT they get paid a wage that is relevant to their home Country,
The problem is these drivers aren’t really working in their own country, they’re not even taking goods from their own country and delivering it and picking up goods to return to their own country.
They are basically posted to Western Europe and moving goods around for for a period of time before returning home, many aren’t even pulling trailers from their own country but for Western European transport operations, therefore pricing Western European drivers out of a job or at the very least putting a downward pressure on their wages.
Now if they were a migrant worker staying in one country they’d have to be paid at very least the minimum wage of that country and in some countries they’d have to be paid the agreed minimum for that type of work.
But because they’re driving between countries, they don’t come under the same regulations, even though they are mostly working between countries with a far higher average wage than they will be getting paid.
Which is why the Germans and French have tried to introduce a minimum wage that includes anybody working in their countries regardless of where their employer is based.