rocky 7:
Once again this post as got out of hand,I have been accused of xenophobia, which I believe means a fear or hatred of foreigners.
I have no hatred nor indeed fear of anyone, My initial post, was licences for foreigners ,NOT I hate foreigners.
Most of you on here read half a post and then jump in before reading it all.
Now I think I see the difficulty, it’s one of terminology. For “post”, definition a single contibution to an extended discussion within a “thread”, I reply and quote the “post” to which am refering, highlighting with a change of script colour, that part of the post which I know to be factually wrong. I then add some information which indicates where the inaccuracy occurs. For the benefit of the thread subject I don’t think, having seen this topic discussed several times, that anyone is likely to change their opinion based on the discussion: rather just reinforce the position brought to the thread. For that reason i avoid these most of the time.
To the opinion as to your xenophobia I went back through the thread and was close to retracting that comment believing that the issue of non british drivers driving UK registered vehicles in the UK was a concern about adaptability. That was until I saw…
Rocky 7:
Some years ago I got into an argument in the Londra camp in Istanbul, that turned into a punch up, we where dragged apart before either could claim victory, but the following day I had a blow out and after a while the guy I had been fighting with pulled up and helped me change the wheel…THAT was a proper driver pal.
To describe a man as THAT when HE would have been so much more respectful has confirmed my original opinion. I think you are displaying xenophobic traits because you are xenophobic.
switchlogic:
Oh dear Rory you made a good post there with good points then ruined it with a pointless anti British rant at the end that makes you look just a bitter, twisted and xenophobic as the original poster. There was no need for it at all. He was wrong in his use of Great anyhow, it’s noting to do with how ‘great’ we are but simply refers to the land mass, ie all the islands and the like.
No Britians history isn’t all sweetness and light but then to be fair neither is Irelands. Both countries have made mistakes (WW2 anyone, or should that be ‘The Emergency’!) and let’s face it Ireland is one of the most hated countries in Europe at moment so swings and roundabouts.
I love Ireland and I love working for an irish company, in all the years I’ve been doing it I’ve never had a bad word said to me as a Brit in an Irish truck but if an Irishman wants to call the British barbaric and hated then I’m sorry I’ll be sticking up for the UK.
So why can’t everybody just lay off the childish stereotypical insults. Behind the language we speak and the country we were born we’re all just the same.
first of all swicthloc im english and live in ireland, second i have read alot of irish history and don’t remember reading about them invading other lands and treating the people like s—t as the british did, they did not deal in people trafficing they did not explot any country of its natrael minrals unlike britain, how can you say the irish are hated all over europe i don’t think so thats something i have herd anywere ive been…
Ok fair enough your English but it doesn’t help you slagging off the UK when people thunk your Irish. I don’t want to get into a ■■■ for tat battle over who the nicest are. Read Empire by Niall Ferguson, fantastic and accurate book about the British empire. We were no saint but nor were we as bad as is commonly made out nowadays. It’s a controversial book because he implies many countries were better off under British rule. Also, Did you know we were the last country to enter the slave trade, and the first to abolish it. Royal Navy ships blockaded the ports in Western Africa to stop slave ships from all countries. As you cab guess from the authors name he’s no posh English toff!
How about World War 2 where Ireland stood on the sidelines and remained neutral at best with some republicans on totally the wrong side at worst. We saved the world from disaster twice, with help late in the day. It bankrupted us and led to the downfall of our empire. An empire that Hitler promised to protect if we’d stay out of his war. We didn’t, we fought a vastly more powerful country than us because it was the right thing to do. Did you know Hitler was a great admirer of the UK and really didn’t want a war with us.
I’m not flag waving patriot that’s for sure, I’m pleased I was lucky enough to be born British but not proud. I just get irritated when people cast us as an awful evil country, we’re not, and to be honest never really were. Our Empire was fairly benign compared to most others, it just gets flak because it’s the biggest Empire the world has ever seen. We’re really not as hated as you think we are, we’ve given the world a lot, and taken a lot in return. Why do you think we’re one of the most multicultural countries in the world (like it or not)? Because people hate us?
As for Ireland being hated in Europe. It’ll be down to people blaming Ireland and Greece for their pension ages going up, along with taxes etc. Like it or not Ireland and Greece arent that popular in Europe at the moment.
ask any indin or pakistanie if they were better off under british rule ask the candiens if they were better off ask those in the carrbiean they would tell you the same, when britain pulled out of india they left in a awful state the same in aficea ( forgive my spelling im hopless at it ) i don’t beleave ireland is hated its more the worry that the euro might collasp
Ok if that’s what yu think then fine. You may need to go and read up on your British history. Interesting though that they hate us so much yet remain in the Commonwealth. Read Empire, it’ll open your eyes a bit.
rocky 7:
Once again this post as got out of hand,I have been accused of xenophobia, which I believe means a fear or hatred of foreigners.
I have no hatred nor indeed fear of anyone, My initial post, was licences for foreigners ,NOT I hate foreigners.
Most of you on here read half a post and then jump in before reading it all.
Now I think I see the difficulty, it’s one of terminology. For “post”, definition a single contibution to an extended discussion within a “thread”, I reply and quote the “post” to which am refering, highlighting with a change of script colour, that part of the post which I know to be factually wrong. I then add some information which indicates where the inaccuracy occurs. For the benefit of the thread subject I don’t think, having seen this topic discussed several times, that anyone is likely to change their opinion based on the discussion: rather just reinforce the position brought to the thread. For that reason i avoid these most of the time.
To the opinion as to your xenophobia I went back through the thread and was close to retracting that comment believing that the issue of non british drivers driving UK registered vehicles in the UK was a concern about adaptability. That was until I saw…
Rocky 7:
Some years ago I got into an argument in the Londra camp in Istanbul, that turned into a punch up, we where dragged apart before either could claim victory, but the following day I had a blow out and after a while the guy I had been fighting with pulled up and helped me change the wheel…THAT was a proper driver pal.
To describe a man as THAT when HE would have been so much more respectful has confirmed my original opinion. I think you are displaying xenophobic traits because you are xenophobic.
The driver in this case was british, and as since become a good friend…
You need to change your name to WORDTWISTER my friend
rocky 7:
The driver in this case was british, and as since become a good friend…
You need to change your name to WORDTWISTER my friend
I have directly quoted your words. If you object to people taking a meaning you did not intend then you need to look at the ambiguity in your OWN choice of words. My opinion stands.
rocky 7:
The driver in this case was british, and as since become a good friend…
You need to change your name to WORDTWISTER my friend
I have directly quoted your words. If you object to people taking a meaning you did not intend then you need to look at the ambiguity in your OWN choice of words. My opinion stands.
MY dear friend I am a truck driver, Not a professor of English.
Are you going to pick up on every small mistake in my grammer??
Can you summarise all this into a couple of sentences please.
No problem.
Me has no problems driving LHD or RHD cars.
Me don’t think that British drivers are superior and me is no sure what “British standards of driving is”.
Me wanted to note, that Poland has European standards in driver’s training longer than UK
Me thinks, that parking on the hard shoulder is because in some countries is normal and because there is lack of parking spaces in Britain and foreign drivers don’t know any places off the motorway as we do.
Me wonders why if Parking on the HS is so dangerous, British Police stops drivers there instead of ask them to follow the police car to safety.
Me glad me could help you
If it’s still too long for you, please let me know, I’ll try to compress it to literaly TWO sentences
Today could not have been better for my argument.
I delivered a truck to Edinburgh this morning , and hitched my way home, My second lift was from the start of the A702 to Carlisle in an artic.on English plates.
The driver was a young polish lad about 28 years old. He was a very pleasant lad and I have got to say he handled the DAF competently.We got to talking and I asked him if he had a polish licence or an english licence. He said he had been in England since he was 18 and first of all worked in a factory.
When he was 21 he paid for lessons and passed his class 2, or whatever the equivelant is now first time,
He then tried twice to get his class1 but failed both times.
wanting to drive artics he went home to poland and got a licence, came back to the UK and got a job.
after sitting with him for that length of time,I was convinced that he could drive an artic competently, However back to my original statement, when he took his class 1 in UK he was not up to UK standards on that particular day, and in my book although I think he is competent enough He do’s NOT hold a UK licence.to drive that class of vehicle.
rocky 7:
although I think he is competent enough He do’s NOT hold a UK licence.to drive that class of vehicle.
What’s the problem if he is competent?
I see the other problem: his license might be invalid, because you have to do your driving license in the country you leave for more than 6 months on the particular year.
So if he lives in Scotland and then came back to Poland only to do do his C+E, he broke the law. Because when applying for the license, he had to fill the form when he told the state that he leaves there for more than 6 months in the row. In other words: to do license in Poland, you have to be registered at the Polish adress, so he broke the registration law by giving some Polish adress when in fact he is resident of Scotland.
This is general rule, so if I want to do some license, I have to to do it here, and if drew128 wants a new category, he should do it in Poland, as this is now his country of residence.
The problem is Orys, he does NOt hold the UK licence. He was ,in my opinion a better driver than some UK nationals I know who DO hold the licence, But the operative word here is LICENCE.
rocky 7:
The problem is Orys, he does NOt hold the UK licence. He was ,in my opinion a better driver than some UK nationals I know who DO hold the licence, But the operative word here is LICENCE.
Ok, I know you are pointing that he has no BRITISH license.
Let’s forget the other problem I mentioned.
He has Polish license, which is valid in UK, so he has legal right to drive here.
And he drives well.
So we have driver who has a valid driving license to drive in this country and sufficient skills to drive in this country : what’s the problem?
Orys, I have my opinion , you have yours, lets just agree to differ and call it a draw. I have made my point
I cant remember who without going back, but someone said I am xenophobic( an hatred of foreigners) that could not be further from the truth, I have a daughter who is half czechy.a brother in law who is polish,and when I married my first wife my best man was a black african.
rocky 7:
Orys, I have my opinion , you have yours, lets just agree to differ and call it a draw. I have made my point
I cant remember who without going back, but someone said I am xenophobic( an hatred of foreigners) that could not be further from the truth, I have a daughter who is half czechy.a brother in law who is polish,and when I married my first wife my best man was a black african.
Yeah, off course, nothing wrong with having different opinion, I just could not understand what yours is. If it’s what Wheel Nut said that it is just about 'foreigners have foreign licenses and should have british, point", then off course I will differ with you on that and we can finish, but if I simply misunderstood you, I am willing to learn where I missed the point
