They will install ‘Megachargers’ around the country just like their ‘supercharger’ network for Tesla cars.
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To charge that battery pack with 400 miles of range in 30 minutes is unbelievable 
same time as a brew & a toilet break.
It must be slippery! It says it’s got an energy consumption of 2kwh/mile, Someone driving a Nissan leaf in ECO mode with a light foot is more than double that.
kevmac47:
Franglais:
Write up in the standard about it. 500 Miles they say, no mention on how long it will take to charge or were you will be able to charge it
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BBC report claims of 400miles on a 30 minutes charge. After driving four hundred miles we’re all looking forward to a cuppa aren’t we? If that’s a realistic claim, and Tesla have a queue for their cars, do many trust them, wouldn’t national size companies provide their own charger points? At first, at least.
Will it hit the roads on time in big numbers? Who knows?
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I can see the headlines after the first accident involving an “electric juggernaut” .
Unsuspecting pedestrian minding his own business crossing the road using his phone, Dead!! Killed by a silent Monster Juggernaut sneaking up on him.
Well half the numpties on there phones now when walking about prob wont hear a v8 when it hits them either.So this wont make much difference.
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xichrisxi:
The cost of these will be astronomical,also taking into account the cost for the charging stations too…will take years of running until you start seeing a return.
Bloomberg did some calculations for the US market.
lancpudn:
xichrisxi:
The cost of these will be astronomical,also taking into account the cost for the charging stations too…will take years of running until you start seeing a return.Bloomberg did some calculations for the US market.
Remember USA diesel is about 2$50 gallon currently. About £0.35 per litre!
Feel free to check and correct me on those figures.
I like the sound of V8s too. I guess I’d put up doing without to pass a Scannie going uphill.
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lancpudn:
They will install ‘Megachargers’ around the country just like their ‘supercharger’ network for Tesla cars.
mashable.com/2017/11/17/tesla-se … j0OsRjSgq0
To charge that battery pack with 400 miles of range in 30 minutes is unbelievable
It must be slippery! It says it’s got an energy consumption of 2kwh/mile, Someone driving a Nissan leaf in ECO mode with a light foot is more than double that.
A truck uses 1 UK gallon of diesel to travel around 8-9 miles and a UK gallon of diesel contains 48 kwh of energy.Strange how the energy demand suddenly and conveniently becomes around half as much in the case of the EV.
Meanwhile retail price of electricity is around 15p per kwh.While white,let alone red,diesel = around £ 5 per gallon = around 10 p per kwh.Then add the equivalent road fuel taxes to the electricity costs in addition to Tesla having the monopoly on charging facilities ■■?. 
How can people be so bleedin gullible regards these snake oil sales scammers.
Franglais:
xichrisxi:
The cost of these will be astronomical,also taking into account the cost for the charging stations too…will take years of running until you start seeing a return.Cost of elec vs cost of diesel?
Over a million miles?
I’m thinking of offering an electric domestic heating product.Just think of the opportunities.We remove your old inefficient expensive gas system and replace it with an all electric system using a massive immersion heater boiler together with all the benefits of one stop shopping in that we are also your contracted sole electricity supplier.Trust me this is the deal of a lifetime.Any takers. 
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
They will install ‘Megachargers’ around the country just like their ‘supercharger’ network for Tesla cars.
mashable.com/2017/11/17/tesla-se … j0OsRjSgq0
To charge that battery pack with 400 miles of range in 30 minutes is unbelievable
It must be slippery! It says it’s got an energy consumption of 2kwh/mile, Someone driving a Nissan leaf in ECO mode with a light foot is more than double that.
A truck uses 1 UK gallon of diesel to travel around 8-9 miles and a UK gallon of diesel contains 48 kwh of energy.Strange how the energy demand suddenly and conveniently becomes around half as much in the case of the EV.
Meanwhile retail price of electricity is around 15p per kwh.While white,let alone red,diesel = around £ 5 per gallon = around 10 p per kwh.Then add the equivalent road fuel taxes to the electricity costs in addition to Tesla having the monopoly on charging facilities ■■?.
I’ve no doubt Elon Musk will be kept awake with worry tonight now that Carryfast has seen through his evil ‘scam’
It is the future & it will arrive.
The big Own Account outfits will start the change (like Tesco) where these type vehicles can easily run between RDC’s and will have the infustructure in place to charge them when parked on the bays.
Same with the outlet deliverys as they will easily have enough range to complete the run then back to the DC’s.
Big Sir will get a pat on the back for his/her inspired idea & once made there will be no going back.
Once it becomes normal to see them on the motorways the lobbying will start to have them driverless (having driven a number of Teslas they are capable)
Drivers wages (ETC) are as you know the biggest outlay apart from fuel & any company would dearly like to get rid of both, and they will.
Yes Minister I understand it will be unpopular with the non EV owners but for “safety” reasons alone !
Can you imagine the headlines should there be a major incident between a filthy diesel engine HGV and a safe EV one & you had not acted ?
Imagine Minister the days of motorway accidents/holdups … gone!
Let us also not forget Minister that this fits in nicely with your save the planet agenda & would certainly help in the forthcoming shuffle ?
So Minister are we agreed that only EV vehicles will be allowed onto the motorways (after a consultation of course) after 2021 ?
Very wise Minister & might I say most inspired, oh it would also be a good idea to increase your portfolio with the energy company’s would it not ?
Whilst it makes a change to see TNUK thinking about the maths of these electric trucks compared to diesel . . . The point still seems to be missing?
Paying tax is optional for the sort of corporations who are going to be running these, the tax on diesel fuel being one of the few ways your Guv’mnt can legitimately collect revenue from the economy.
Are they going to write off the £BILLIONS lost in fuel duty ■■?
There is 2 points that may affect take up of E.Vs
(1) Demand for copper, what effect that will have on prices of motors
(2) Demand for lithium for the batteries
Dork Lard:
Whilst it makes a change to see TNUK thinking about the maths of these electric trucks compared to diesel . . . The point still seems to be missing?Paying tax is optional for the sort of corporations who are going to be running these, the tax on diesel fuel being one of the few ways your Guv’mnt can legitimately collect revenue from the economy.
Are they going to write off the £BILLIONS lost in fuel duty ■■?
As I said the obvious answer is no.
The unarguable ‘maths’ here at present prices are clearly around 15p per kwh + road fuel taxation.With the average truck using more like 5 kwh per mile not 2 kwh.While given the monopoly supply situation all bets are off even regarding that 15p per kwh figure.Also bearing in mind that figure is still based on cheaper gas generation not a change to more expensive nuclear which it will take to meet the demand.As it stands EV’s are just a road fuel tax dodge and an expensive liability when that subsidy is removed.
Also didn’t see the weight penalties and purchase/maintenance/replacement costs of the batteries in the figures ?.
Its all well and good having charging stations but how long before some muppet reverses into one?
Next time you park your lorry in the bosses yard, regardless of whether the Bossman has 1 or 100 of 'em. Ask yourself “how much will it cost to put the charging points here then?”.
Dork Lard:
Next time you park your lorry in the bosses yard, regardless of whether the Bossman has 1 or 100 of 'em. Ask yourself “how much will it cost to put the charging points here then?”.
To be fair probably cheaper than installing diesel tanks and pumps. And they charge at such a rate you really don’t need one charger per truck
Just been reading that the battery pack will cost $200000 alone
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
They will install ‘Megachargers’ around the country just like their ‘supercharger’ network for Tesla cars.
mashable.com/2017/11/17/tesla-se … j0OsRjSgq0
To charge that battery pack with 400 miles of range in 30 minutes is unbelievable
It must be slippery! It says it’s got an energy consumption of 2kwh/mile, Someone driving a Nissan leaf in ECO mode with a light foot is more than double that.
A truck uses 1 UK gallon of diesel to travel around 8-9 miles and a UK gallon of diesel contains 48 kwh of energy.Strange how the energy demand suddenly and conveniently becomes around half as much in the case of the EV.
Meanwhile retail price of electricity is around 15p per kwh.While white,let alone red,diesel = around £ 5 per gallon = around 10 p per kwh.Then add the equivalent road fuel taxes to the electricity costs in addition to Tesla having the monopoly on charging facilities ■■?.
Are you not failing to take account of the energy recuperation systems of these new vehicles?
The overall energy expended will be less for a well set up electric vehicle.
The energy used to accelerate will be recouped when slowing down,as the motors become generators and recharge the batteries. Similarly the energy used to climb a hill is regained when the batteries are recharged by electric braking on the descent.
Burning diesel to ascend/accelerate and generating heat by friction braking/compressing air, doesn`t have this benefit.
400-600 mile range long haul?? Hardly. These trucks will be ok for local deliveries but never for crossing Europe. Tesla would have to place charging points everywhere equal to present fuel station numbers . How about tare weight? With a ten tonne battery pack the net weight is going to be very drastically reduced. Tesla cant even keep up with orders for their cars let alone making huge claims re their latest venture.
The diesel engine is going to be around for a very long time yet…
chrisdalott:
scania are even more advanced
Love to see that on the West Coast Main Line going up Beattock !
Write up in the standard about it. 500 Miles they say, no mention on how long it will take to charge or were you will be able to charge it
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No doubt we’ll be expected to bring our own charging cable.
Franglais:
Are you not failing to take account of the energy recuperation systems of these new vehicles?
The overall energy expended will be less for a well set up electric vehicle.
The energy used to accelerate will be recouped when slowing down,as the motors become generators and recharge the batteries. Similarly the energy used to climb a hill is regained when the batteries are recharged by electric braking on the descent.
Burning diesel to ascend/accelerate and generating heat by friction braking/compressing air, doesn`t have this benefit.
Great.In which case it’s also possible to combine regenerative braking,like CPC KERS system,with conventional ICE technology and no need for electric motors/generators,control units and heavy ( very ) expensive batteries.Nor with any need for electricity charged at 15p per kwh + road fuel taxes.Let alone when that’s a captive market lumbered with the choice of expensive nuclear generated electricity,supplied through a dedicated retailer,or nothing.Strangely though,if regenerative braking was that important in saving fuel costs,so far there seems to have been no widespread demand for such systems to be put into conventional truck drivelines.
