Tesco bans SatNavs

I did a couple of days’ agency driving last December for their RDC in Reading and they give you a “risk-assessed” route and you had to use it, so the assumption, I guess, is that you don’t need a sat-nav other than to “disobey orders”. The problem of course comes when the route prescribed is blocked or has roadworks and the longer alternative route would be quicker. At Reading, it’s all contracted to Maritime, and I was working through a subcontractor so that didn’t apply to me, and I’m guessing the same is true of other depots (even if the contractor is different).

The bizarre thing is that their trailers don’t have proper height indicators; they have a “box height” indicator, a bit like a shipping container, but you know to add 5ft to the height of a shipping container and I didn’t know how to work out the overall height of these trucks. (We had 6x2 Actros units, which weren’t even compatible with some of Tesco’s trailers.)

IndigoJo:
I did a couple of days’ agency driving last December for their RDC in Reading and they give you a “risk-assessed” route and you had to use it, so the assumption, I guess, is that you don’t need a sat-nav other than to “disobey orders”. The problem of course comes when the route prescribed is blocked or has roadworks and the longer alternative route would be quicker. At Reading, it’s all contracted to Maritime, and I was working through a subcontractor so that didn’t apply to me, and I’m guessing the same is true of other depots (even if the contractor is different).

The bizarre thing is that their trailers don’t have proper height indicators; they have a “box height” indicator, a bit like a shipping container, but you know to add 5ft to the height of a shipping container and I didn’t know how to work out the overall height of these trucks. (We had 6x2 Actros units, which weren’t even compatible with some of Tesco’s trailers.)

You don’t need to know the height of the unit, you need to know the height of your 5th wheel then add that to the box height, careful on a scania as it is at a different height with the lift axle up or down which can add a few inches extra onto it.

Even the most myopic pensioners with Alzheimer’s know where Tesco is.
The sat nav argument for planning overtakes is valid even in a car, especially when you get three lanes blocked by overtaking lorries on the smart motorway, 3 lorries, three miles & 1mph difference between the slowest and the fastest.

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Wheel Nut:
Even the most myopic pensioners with Alzheimer’s know where Tesco is.
The sat nav argument for planning overtakes is valid even in a car, especially when you get three lanes blocked by overtaking lorries on the smart motorway, 3 lorries, three miles & 1mph difference between the slowest and the fastest.

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You know nothing of satnavs and your argument is invalid and ridiculous

HGV:

eagerbeaver:
In an ideal world it shouldn’t take 3 miles to complete an overtake.

However, back in the REAL world we have knobs who will not simply ease the CC back 2 km’s for a few seconds to help facilitate an efficient overtake by the faster wagon. (Presumably because another vehicle going past you must render you infertile or something :unamused: )

It’s because most truck drivers sadly are a waste of usable organs.

Totally correct. But can you ever predict if the driver is going to ease off?

I look to see how quick i am been over taken and if its causing a hold up. Like you say it only takes a few seconds to ease off to let soneone past…everyones happy and carrying on as normal

Sometimes easing off creates a problem in that if another truck close behind which is same speed as you then all of a sudden he is going faster and will want to over take you. By the time you want to get back up to speed he will be along side you and wonder why you slowed down then accelerated again.

UKtramp:

Franglais:
Seems a good answer to me. Thanks for explaining that.

Really? Another great tip is read the bloody white lines on the road,

What happens to the white lines about 3 or 4 miles from a junction on a motorway?

Franglais:

UKtramp:

Franglais:
Seems a good answer to me. Thanks for explaining that.

Really? Another great tip is read the bloody white lines on the road,

What happens to the white lines about 3 or 4 miles from a junction on a motorway?

Interesting question [emoji12]

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So Tesco want to ban a machine that directs you to its destination by voice control, and replace it with a piece of paper that you have to hold whilst driving, and keep looking at and therefore lose your observation, and concentration…the very reason its illegal to hold and use a mobile phone…i would be ignoring their instructions, and telling them where to poke their job if it happened to me.
I can always get by using a map, but also have to stop and check the routes and possibly ask someone, but i find sat navs invaluable on many occasions…its not the machine that causes chaos, but the person using it…in tescos case, it seems they deem all of their drivers incompetent. But then again, if any vehicle i have to drive has fitted cameras to watch over my every move, they would quickly be covered up the moment i discover them…but thats just me with the devil inside.

It’s stupid to deny yourself the use of a tool that helps make the job easier.

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Wheel Nut:

Franglais:

UKtramp:

Franglais:
Seems a good answer to me. Thanks for explaining that.

Really? Another great tip is read the bloody white lines on the road,

What happens to the white lines about 3 or 4 miles from a junction on a motorway?

Interesting question [emoji12]

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But any answer forthcoming is likely to be boring… nothing?..

098Joe:
You bunch of Luddites. What’s wrong with satnavs? Mine has live traffic information that is more accurate than highways agency information, and guides me around traffic jams etc. Surely safer listening to instructions than fumbling with a map?

To be honest, I use satnav only very infrequently, although it’s always available.

What I do at the start of a journey is sit down and look at the map, plan an appropriate route, and take very brief notes (often in code or semi-diagramatically). The vast majority of journeys can be noted in a few lines, once you’ve had a look at the map.

If it’s a particularly complex route at the destination and I’m not familiar with the locality, then I’ll pull over once I’ve completed the bulk of the journey, and do the same again, taking a look at the map, refamiliarising myself with the details of the remaining route and the turns, taking a few notes if required.

If I use the satnav while driving at all, it is only to ensure that I’m actually on the pre-planned route and where I am relative to turns. When possible I try to do without it.

Admittedly I occasionally come a cropper and make a wrong turn at confusing junctions, or sail past a turn I needed to make, on a totally unfamiliar route based just on notes and following road signs, but when following the satnav blindly without having planned, I’ve made much worse mistakes (the sort that leave you drenched in sweat to get out of), and the mental workload is noticeably higher when you just follow the satnav and have no prior idea of where you’re going.

In the end satnav is a tool that supplements planning and route knowledge, not a total substitute for them, and what firms want to discourage is people who just put in a postcode and set off, without ever having looked at the route they’re taking!

Because they’re the pillocks that go down country lanes and under 9ft high bridges, whereas anyone who had looked at the route as a whole first, wouldn’t make the mistake.

Rjan:

098Joe:
You bunch of Luddites. What’s wrong with satnavs? Mine has live traffic information that is more accurate than highways agency information, and guides me around traffic jams etc. Surely safer listening to instructions than fumbling with a map?

To be honest, I use satnav only very infrequently, although it’s always available.

What I do at the start of a journey is sit down and look at the map, plan an appropriate route, and take very brief notes (often in code or semi-diagramatically). The vast majority of journeys can be noted in a few lines, once you’ve had a look at the map.

If it’s a particularly complex route at the destination and I’m not familiar with the locality, then I’ll pull over once I’ve completed the bulk of the journey, and do the same again, taking a look at the map, refamiliarising myself with the details of the remaining route and the turns, taking a few notes if required.

If I use the satnav while driving at all, it is only to ensure that I’m actually on the pre-planned route and where I am relative to turns. When possible I try to do without it.

Admittedly I occasionally come a cropper and make a wrong turn at confusing junctions, or sail past a turn I needed to make, on a totally unfamiliar route based just on notes and following road signs, but when following the satnav blindly without having planned, I’ve made much worse mistakes (the sort that leave you drenched in sweat to get out of), and the mental workload is noticeably higher when you just follow the satnav and have no prior idea of where you’re going.

In the end satnav is a tool that supplements planning and route knowledge, not a total substitute for them, and what firms want to discourage is people who just put in a postcode and set off, without ever having looked at the route they’re taking!

Because they’re the pillocks that go down country lanes and under 9ft high bridges, whereas anyone who had looked at the route as a whole first, wouldn’t make the mistake.

Completely correct use of a satnav. An aid to remind you of the route that you have pre planned and checked yourself. Satnav have their uses without a shadow of a doubt, problem arises with those that try to use them as their eyes.

truckyboy:
I can always get by using a map, but also have to stop and check the routes and possibly ask someone, but i find sat navs invaluable on many occasions…its not the machine that causes chaos, but the person using it…

My point exactly, not against satnav use, just what some people think they are for and how they use one. In the right hands a satnav is a great aid, I use one but certainly not the way in which probably 90% of drivers use them, pretty much as we have heard on here.

Oh look more CPC BS…
They are given route sheets for particular stores to follow once they get close to the store,up until then they can use sat nav.

IronEddie:
It’s stupid to deny yourself the use of a tool that helps make the job easier.

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Even more stupid to use one in a way that they are not designed to be used for. I would like to see satnavs been used correctly by sensible drivers who can use one and are responsible enough to use one.

Wheel Nut:
Even the most myopic pensioners with Alzheimer’s know where Tesco is.
The sat nav argument for planning overtakes is valid even in a car, especially when you get three lanes blocked by overtaking lorries on the smart motorway, 3 lorries, three miles & 1mph difference between the slowest and the fastest.

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So why would you contemplate overtaking in such a scenario? Your satnav will not help you out here. How much further do you think you are going to get?

UKtramp:

IronEddie:
It’s stupid to deny yourself the use of a tool that helps make the job easier.

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Even more stupid to use one in a way that they are not designed to be used for. I would like to see satnavs been used correctly by sensible drivers who can use one and are responsible enough to use one.

Interesting points.
One They shoudn`t be used when plugged into the 240v mains. They are NOT designed for this and there is both a fire hazard and a trip hazard from the cable.
Two Maybe there should be a test to ensure drivers are sufficiently trained to use these potentially dangerous devices?

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ezydriver:
I’m definitely not driving one of those zb’ers.

The sad thing is, when I do hand them back their keys, I will be the only one to have done so. All the others moan, and say “well, what can you do?”. My blood boils.

I know exactly what you mean mate.
We also have those invertebrate ■■■■■■ types at our place :unamused: , but there is a group below these sorry arsed tossers in the food chain, believe it or not.
The type that swallow all the crap about ‘‘It being for your own good’’.
That’s bad enough, but they go on to repeat this ■■■■■■■■, usually followed by the old chestnut…
.‘‘What have you got to worry about if you are doing nothing wrong’’ :smiling_imp:
Just look back on this forum alone to how many times this has been said when this type of crap crops up for discussion. :unamused:

robroy:
I know exactly what you mean mate.
We also have those invertebrate ■■■■■■ types at our place :unamused: , but there is a group below these sorry arsed tossers in the food chain, believe it or not.
The type that swallow all the crap about ‘‘It being for your own good’’.
That’s bad enough, but they go on to repeat this ■■■■■■■■, usually followed by the old chestnut…
.‘‘What have you got to worry about if you are doing nothing wrong’’ :smiling_imp:
Just look back on this forum alone to how many times this has been said when this type of crap crops up for discussion. :unamused:

And the rest who say join a union to prevent this from ever happening. :smiley:

UKtramp:

James.908:

UKtramp:
I was in a CPC course today and was pleased to hear, Tesco have banned the use of truck satnav use. If you are caught using a truck satnav you will be banned from their sites and could lose your job. I think this will be introduced by a lot of companies now and is in my opinion a good thing. You have to use a traditional map and they even check that you have one. Lets hope this continues and other firms quickly follow.

Why do you test a different satnav every week ?

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It is because I know howto use one correctly and to determine which is the best for the HGV driver to use, not to be used for this sort of application and certainly not to use as an overtaking tool or as an aid for conducting any road maneuvers. They are widely used by a large number and a wide range of drivers, in the hands of the wrong person, a satnav will almost certainly get you into problems.

Says you crying because people were warned not to. Ut your dodgy sat nav.