Hi glenman, The phone number on a tanker marking is where specialist expert advice on the substance is available to the fire-brigade in the event of an accident/incident involving the ‘stuff’ being carried, so IMHO you’d be more likely to get an industrial chemist answering the phone rather than somebody who understands Regs.
Which always amuses me as if there was a major problem those numbers fitted to side of trailers err could of already burnt to a crisp so how would the fire brigade know what there dealing with if driver was not around to speak too. More so now its one trem card fits everything!
Hi glenman, The phone number on a tanker marking is where specialist expert advice on the substance is available to the fire-brigade in the event of an accident/incident involving the ‘stuff’ being carried, so IMHO you’d be more likely to get an industrial chemist answering the phone rather than somebody who understands Regs.
Which always amuses me as if there was a major problem those numbers fitted to side of trailers err could of already burnt to a crisp so how would the fire brigade know what there dealing with if driver was not around to speak too. More so now its one trem card fits everything!
A lot of the emergency numbers go through to a research facility like Harwell iirc. A place like Harwell may well be the first contact in an emergency for the fire chief. Companies like BASF and Shell etc will have their own action plan. I also seem to remember the fire service have their own research centre.
The ADR rules say about a Kemler board withstanding 15 minutes in a fire, 15 minutes is an awful long time in an emergency situation and the boards may not be visible or broken off in the case of an accident.
Imp:
Which always amuses me as if there was a major problem those numbers fitted to side of trailers err could of already burnt to a crisp so how would the fire brigade know what there dealing with if driver was not around to speak too. More so now its one trem card fits everything!
That’s a fair point Imp, but there’s still a requirement for a transport document which must contain the UN number, PSN, Class and PG (if a PG is allocated.)
In the case of a tanker, it must also contain the total number of liters being carried. (Just for completeness, it must also contain the names and addresses of the consignor and consignee.) For the methanol in my OP the transport document MUST be written like this:
UN 1230 METHANOL, 3(6.1) PGII
Once the UN number is known to the fire-crew, they enter it into a database in the fire-engine, then that tells them how to deal with it.
It’s only once an incident/accident happens and fire fighters are injured in the line of duty that people realise the importance of having correct documentation and markings, the lack of which might put fire-fighters’ lives at increased risk and the reason that the police/VOSA take such things so seriously.
IMHO, fire fighters put their lives on the line when attending chemical incidents, so the least we can do is to have correct documentation and markings.
I think that tanker is using the irish system. its very simple you just slap on what you can find, dump it on the dock and hope the poor prat that picks it up in liverpool has the right labels to continue the journey.We consider ourselves lucky if they have closed all the valves and put the paperwork in the tube.
Hi Malc, it wouldn’t be fair if I commented because it’s not a ‘name-and-shame’ type post.
I’d add that Northern Ireland (Ulster) uses the UK marking system, whereas the Repubilc of Ireland uses the ADR international system even for their own national work, which they are at liberty do do.
The point I made in the OP was that there were two marking systems shovelled together, and that might lead to a driver’s day being somewhat disrupted by the issuing (and clearance of) a PG9 if he were stop-checked.
I’m guessing that it would take quite some time to get three lots of the correct markings out to the vehicle before it would have the PG9 cleared.
Hi Malc, it wouldn’t be fair if I commented because it’s not a ‘name-and-shame’ type post.
I’d add that Northern Ireland (Ulster) uses the UK marking system, whereas the Repubilc of Ireland uses the ADR international system even for their own national work, which they are at liberty do do.
The point I made in the OP was that there were two marking systems shovelled together, and that might lead to a driver’s day being somewhat disrupted by the issuing (and clearance of) a PG9 if he were stop-checked.
I’m guessing that it would take quite some time to get three lots of the correct markings out to the vehicle before it would have the PG9 cleared.
bobthedog:
ethyldiisopropylamine sounds like nasty stuff. But in a Vac tank?
Hi Bob,
As you said, they keep changing things…
The UN number or name for a particular substance, or group of similar substances, is sometimes changed to tidy-up the UN List.
Such a change has taken place with the substance you mentioned, cos that’s now to be shipped as either UN 1993 or 2733 depending on strength/concentration.
Wheel Nut:
UN 3286 3 Flammable liquid, toxic, corrosive, n.o.s.
Wheel Nut has the ‘stuff’ for UN 3286 correct, but another change is that the ‘entry’ on a transport document can now only be written in a very particular order, whereas before, there were two options for the order that the info has to be presented.
UN 3286 FLAMMABLE LIQUID, TOXIC, CORROSIVE, N.O.S., 3 (6.1, 8) PGI {[or PGII]} Malc, today’s magic number is: 5.4.1.1.1 (Just have a look at how much they’ve changed that.)
dieseldave:
UN 3286 FLAMMABLE LIQUID, TOXIC, CORROSIVE, N.O.S., 3 (6.1, PGI {[or PGII]} Malc, today’s magic number is: 5.4.1.1.1 (Just have a look at how much they’ve changed that.)
I looked at it and copied this bit.
“UN 1098 ALLYL ALCOHOL, 6.1 (3), I, (C/D)” or “UN 1098, ALLYL ALCOHOL, 6.1 (3), PG I, (C/D)”
I’ve just found this site as400-news.com, could I just borrow the technical
articles from the web site or do I need some kind of permission?. I’m writing a project for school.
It’s only once an incident/accident happens and fire fighters are injured in the line of duty that people realise the importance of having correct documentation and markings, the lack of which might put fire-fighters’ lives at increased risk and the reason that the police/VOSA take such things so seriously.
PGI {[or PGII]}
