See my topic posted earlier
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Only the stupid ones get caught though. They will only start looking for gadgets when you manage to always stop at 8 hours 55 minutes and never go over, never get caught in a traffic jam etc.
milodon:
Only the stupid ones get caught though. They will only start looking for gadgets when you manage to always stop at 8 hours 55 minutes and never go over, never get caught in a traffic jam etc.
same as a satnav…bulletproof if you also use a bit of initiative and perspective.
Hardwired senders draw approx 13ma compared to the std digital tachos 10ma are are detectable through this current drain. However, this is old technology and software known as TC/Drax is now used which has an encrypted 10 figure and 52 letter upper and lower case input and is only removable /adjustable by the user, its not detectable by any equipment DVSA or other governing body inspectorate own. Its not used for time only speed ie the tacho is set to read a max of 90kph when the limiter is much higher. Costs around 100 euros for speed re calibration…
AndrewG:
Hardwired senders draw approx 13ma compared to the std digital tachos 10ma are are detectable through this current drain. However, this is old technology and software known as TC/Drax is now used which has an encrypted 10 figure and 52 letter upper and lower case input and is only removable /adjustable by the user, its not detectable by any equipment DVSA or other governing body inspectorate own. Its not used for time only speed ie the tacho is set to read a max of 90kph when the limiter is much higher. Costs around 100 euros for speed re calibration…
It’s a cat and mouse thing, every time one way of the defeating the security systems is found they develop another one, they will find a way to detect that in time and then they’ll be looking for another way,
But do these devices stop the authorities looking at surveillance camera footage and then asking how come your tacho shows rest when you were filmed driving on a certain stretch of road?
I suspect that VOSA use the same way to detect vehicles with suspected devices as the gendarme use to to do.
They checked what time you went through the first toll, and compared that with the time you passed the next toll booth, a quick calculation and they know where to look.
With the current mountain of ANPR cameras in Britain, they only have to look when a vehicle passed Dover, and if it is too quick in Stoke or Carlisle, they can start their search.
It’s true what a men can make, another men can destroy, so a new security on a tacho can easily be hacked, but remember even that hacking is is done by a human being, so this again can be detected by human beings.
It’s an ever moving merry go round, the fraudsters chasing the lawmakers, and the lawmakers chasing the fraudsters.
It started with two logbooks or a fast pen, via a crocodile clip, too now computer activated equipment, but in the end you always will get caught.
If it is worth it, is your choice, but there are in Europe already a lot of drivers on Governement holidays, while causing an accident with the ABS switched of by a tacho triggering device.
The truck ECU’s will always bring proof that the vehicle was running and that the ABS was disabled.
muckles:
AndrewG:
Hardwired senders draw approx 13ma compared to the std digital tachos 10ma are are detectable through this current drain. However, this is old technology and software known as TC/Drax is now used which has an encrypted 10 figure and 52 letter upper and lower case input and is only removable /adjustable by the user, its not detectable by any equipment DVSA or other governing body inspectorate own. Its not used for time only speed ie the tacho is set to read a max of 90kph when the limiter is much higher. Costs around 100 euros for speed re calibration…It’s a cat and mouse thing, every time one way of the defeating the security systems is found they develop another one, they will find a way to detect that in time and then they’ll be looking for another way,
But do these devices stop the authorities looking at surveillance camera footage and then asking how come your tacho shows rest when you were filmed driving on a certain stretch of road?
I agree Muckles, this new tech will eventually be deciphered but (im not an IT genius ) would imagine this latest one is going to be very hard to get into.
However, it doesnt a stop mobile speed camera detector getting the true speed although a laser jammer will prevent a reading being taken, again though there are big fines for those too now. Its only speed related though, it wont ‘recalibrate’ time…
AndrewG:
muckles:
AndrewG:
Hardwired senders draw approx 13ma compared to the std digital tachos 10ma are are detectable through this current drain. However, this is old technology and software known as TC/Drax is now used which has an encrypted 10 figure and 52 letter upper and lower case input and is only removable /adjustable by the user, its not detectable by any equipment DVSA or other governing body inspectorate own. Its not used for time only speed ie the tacho is set to read a max of 90kph when the limiter is much higher. Costs around 100 euros for speed re calibration…It’s a cat and mouse thing, every time one way of the defeating the security systems is found they develop another one, they will find a way to detect that in time and then they’ll be looking for another way,
But do these devices stop the authorities looking at surveillance camera footage and then asking how come your tacho shows rest when you were filmed driving on a certain stretch of road?
I agree Muckles, this new tech will eventually be deciphered but (im not an IT genius ) would imagine this latest one is going to be very hard to get into.
However, it doesnt a stop mobile speed camera detector getting the true speed although a laser jammer will prevent a reading being taken, again though there are big fines for those too now. Its only speed related though, it wont ‘recalibrate’ time…
Not talking about speed cameras but surveillance cameras, no lasers or radio as they don’t target specific vehicles, just film the road.
Drive bent, make a few quid.
Get caught, loose your livlihood.
muckles:
Not talking about speed cameras but surveillance cameras, no lasers or radio as they don’t target specific vehicles, just film the road.
Sorry didnt read your post properly 
yeah, time over distance is far easier …
AndrewG:
muckles:
Not talking about speed cameras but surveillance cameras, no lasers or radio as they don’t target specific vehicles, just film the road.Sorry didnt read your post properly
wasn’t really thinking about it as speed detection, more we’ve pulled you, your card says you were on rest 30 minutes ago, at the same time as our cameras filmed you on this section of road, here the video, Please explain how that can be?
AndrewG:
Hardwired senders draw approx 13ma compared to the std digital tachos 10ma are are detectable through this current drain. However, this is old technology and software known as TC/Drax is now used which has an encrypted 10 figure and 52 letter upper and lower case input and is only removable /adjustable by the user, its not detectable by any equipment DVSA or other governing body inspectorate own. Its not used for time only speed ie the tacho is set to read a max of 90kph when the limiter is much higher. Costs around 100 euros for speed re calibration…
Thanks for that info, I’d come across the second sender type setup but have never heard of this type, I guess it’s more of a reprogramming type of thing rather than adding hardware. Clever stuff but like previous posters mentioned I think anpr would be the biggest issue for anyone using it.
AF1:
AndrewG:
Hardwired senders draw approx 13ma compared to the std digital tachos 10ma are are detectable through this current drain. However, this is old technology and software known as TC/Drax is now used which has an encrypted 10 figure and 52 letter upper and lower case input and is only removable /adjustable by the user, its not detectable by any equipment DVSA or other governing body inspectorate own. Its not used for time only speed ie the tacho is set to read a max of 90kph when the limiter is much higher. Costs around 100 euros for speed re calibration…Thanks for that info, I’d come across the second sender type setup but have never heard of this type, I guess it’s more of a reprogramming type of thing rather than adding hardware. Clever stuff but like previous posters mentioned I think anpr would be the biggest issue for anyone using it.
Youre right, the tacho is reprogrammed itself negating any need for a secondary outside sender.
In the 90s there were some mass nickings going on in Castets. ( Wax disc days remember? Had to enter place of starting and ending? ) Anyways anyone in Castets on Monday evening with Cherbourg on their card was invited to pay a 900 franc fine. It was not possible to do legally, you either were speeding, or over hours on card or over hours off card, or speedo was under recording. The Gendarmerie took the fines give a correct receipt and job was done. Anyone who got on their high horse demanding radar read outs etc was FULLY investigated, and ended up paying more after a longer delay. How is this relevant? Tachos with GPS: town A at time X, town B at time Y, gives a good guide. Example: Calais at 06hr00 Monday. Rome 08hr00 Tues. Thats 1800km in 24 hrs. Possible drive time of 15hrs30? Average speed = 116kph, so youre nicked. Easy. Example: Calais tacho reads 10,000km. Rome tacho reads 11,500km. Youre nicked. Lost distance: maybe tacho turned back, or wrong tyres wheels or whatever.
There is also the paper trail to convict for tacho fraud .
Ferry booking times, weigh bridge CCTV and times, delivery and unloading times on CCTV, or ask the factory what time .
Driver stopping at truck stops and fuel stations .
Boyles brothers are in prison for tacho fraud, with drivers driving and working for 21 hours with no rest .
In the 90,s I wrote “Cherchez pour one douche et une repas chaude .”
Which means drove over hours to find a shower and hot meal .
As French culture is based on the importance of food, never fined .
Learning the languages of each country you transited saved loads of grief .
Seems like these devices exist, but they are easily found out.
At £9.99p.its a bargain and a great piece of kit ( postage included ) only problem i found was the instructions were in polish, so i just went to the office to ask monica to translate, and she couldnt understand it either, but i found a Lithuanian who could fit it for me, as he had one himself, had to laugh cos his cost £14.99p but swears by it and said its foolproof, Vosa will never find it…he got stopped twice on Monday, 3 times on Tuesday, got banged up on Wednesday for having a magnet attached to his gearbox…
Getting caught using a device is simple.
You get pulled over for a routine check… Tacho shows you haven’t moved for 6 hours…Folked!!.
Finding the now known to exist device (which was advertised as undetectable) may be much more difficult but you are already screwed anyway.
The coppers don’t seem to mind a fair game of Cops & Robbers. You bust your hours, they catch you and slap your wrists and off you go…You are their job security really.
However if they catch you cheating they go berserk and slap cuffs on your wrists until very serious dosh or jail time is exchanged…They don’t like to be made a fool of at all.
The next breed of tacho have to memorise your GPS position every 3 hours so that’s the next challenge for the idiot who doesn’t know how to price a load properly.
Tacho says the truck was parked up for 9 hours but the APNR cameras show you driving up the motorway for 6 or 7 of those hours - your going to jail for fraud .
Its far better to be caught with bad cards or no card in the head than to be caught with something that creates a false record .
Failure to keep records
or
Creating a false record .
Those are your choices - google the penalties .
It matters not any new technology employed, there are IT genius’s out there who can crack/ get into anything, absolutely nothing computerised is infallable, anything is doable and that WILL include any new GPS tachos…