Where’s Micky Permitz when you need him? Robert
As far as I’m aware, the EU has reciprocal agreements with most countries in that, if a truck and driver are suitably tested and licensed in their own country then they are also suitably licensed within the EU.
For example, a Turkish truck does not have to be MOTed or its driver have pass an EU country driving test before being allowed to drive in the EU. We can also drive our trucks in Turkey.
The same agreement with the old Eastern Block countries allowed their trucks and drivers to work in the EU.
A tachograph was still required, to ensure compliance with drivers hours laws, the relevant drivers hours rules are called AETR rules. They have recently been updated and are now exactly the same as EU rules.
If you have a Lebanese driving license for a truck and the Lebanon does not have a CPC equivalent, you will not need a CPC equivalent. Which is much the same as saying, if your vehicle doesn’t have seat belts fitted, you don’t have to wear a seat belt.
I don’t know if we and the EU have a similar reciprocal agreement with Lebanon. You shouldn’t have much trouble finding that out though.
[u]HERE[/u] is a link to the AETR agreement document.
is it only me thinking about the 2 or 3 taliban learing how to fly planes in 911…we dont need to know how to land or take off,we just need to know how to fly them…here comes load of wmds or other stuff that britain might not rather have coming here in the back of a truck…im also thinking a wee while ago about some dude ." making a film or writing a book etc" about how to go about wriggling into a truck and hiding…this dude has to be on whatever it is they keep pumping into bruce forsythe to keep him going…complete and utter total pish…however…it passes the time laughing at the ones taking him serious…13 year old flipflop gamer at best… 
dieseldog999:
is it only me thinking about the 2 or 3 taliban learing how to fly planes in 911…we dont need to know how to land or take off,we just need to know how to fly them…here comes load of wmds or other stuff that britain might not rather have coming here in the back of a truck…im also thinking a wee while ago about some dude ." making a film or writing a book etc" about how to go about wriggling into a truck and hiding…this dude has to be on whatever it is they keep pumping into bruce forsythe to keep him going…complete and utter total pish…however…it passes the time laughing at the ones taking him serious…13 year old flipflop gamer at best…
You may well be right, you may well be wrong, the truth will become clear soon enough.
Simon:
As far as I’m aware, the EU has reciprocal agreements with most countries in that, if a truck and driver are suitably tested and licensed in their own country then they are also suitably licensed within the EU.
For example, a Turkish truck does not have to be MOTed or its driver have pass an EU country driving test before being allowed to drive in the EU. We can also drive our trucks in Turkey.
The same agreement with the old Eastern Block countries allowed their trucks and drivers to work in the EU.
A tachograph was still required, to ensure compliance with drivers hours laws, the relevant drivers hours rules are called AETR rules. They have recently been updated and are now exactly the same as EU rules.
If you have a Lebanese driving license for a truck and the Lebanon does not have a CPC equivalent, you will not need a CPC equivalent. Which is much the same as saying, if your vehicle doesn’t have seat belts fitted, you don’t have to wear a seat belt.I don’t know if we and the EU have a similar reciprocal agreement with Lebanon. You shouldn’t have much trouble finding that out though.
[u]HERE[/u] is a link to the AETR agreement document.
Perfect, thank you so much. So like with the Geneva conventions that state that if a vehicle is road legal in its country of registration, it be used abroad, heavy goods vehicles can also be used in Europe even if they do not meet the Euro 5 standards?! So I could buy a lorry that would be economically unviable to convert to Euro 5 standards, and then register them in Lebanon where tests are non existent or not stringent, and use it for Cabotage in the UK? (I’ve heard some Russians do this)
AETR issues their own cards? If you want to get a bank card, you can walk into different banks and get a card that you like based on design and fees. There is no centralised bank. With drivers licenses, you can only get one from the DVLA or equivalent agency. How do AETR tachs work? One central agency or every country has several agencies that can issue them?
dieseldog999:
is it only me thinking about the 2 or 3 taliban learing how to fly planes in 911…we dont need to know how to land or take off,we just need to know how to fly them…here comes load of wmds or other stuff that britain might not rather have coming here in the back of a truck…im also thinking a wee while ago about some dude ." making a film or writing a book etc" about how to go about wriggling into a truck and hiding…this dude has to be on whatever it is they keep pumping into bruce forsythe to keep him going…complete and utter total pish…however…it passes the time laughing at the ones taking him serious…13 year old flipflop gamer at best…
Problems:
I’m a white, Christian, right-leaning individual.
I’m friends with the Syrian, socialist government that tortures anyone with a slightly radical-leaning way of thought.
I am not going via Syria, but to and from Lebanon, where the situation is getting better economically and the local population itself is fighting terrorism.
From the ferry to the capital, it’s 50km. Lebanon is a tiny place with very well protected borders.
So now you’re dealing with a truck that essentially drives to and from Turkey. Somehow trucks from Turkey haven’t blown the UK up, yet Lebanese trucks (with higher population of devout Christians) will?
I’m in college, and it’s too cold to wear slip flops in this weather.
Hi Simon,
I am skipping through the PDFs on the link you gave me. I’m on a mobile device at the moment, so it’s hard to read, but neither in the original agreement nor in the amendment did I see a list of countries or the names of organisations responsible for giving out cards. I will re-read tommorow.
I can only see about the physical cards and how they should be written up. I thought EU made it compulsory for it to be digital smart cards, not paper/cardboard based?
420weblazeit:
Perfect, thank you so much. So like with the Geneva conventions that state that if a vehicle is road legal in its country of registration, it be used abroad, heavy goods vehicles can also be used in Europe even if they do not meet the Euro 5 standards?! So I could buy a lorry that would be economically unviable to convert to Euro 5 standards, and then register them in Lebanon where tests are non existent or not stringent, and use it for Cabotage in the UK? (I’ve heard some Russians do this)AETR issues their own cards? If you want to get a bank card, you can walk into different banks and get a card that you like based on design and fees. There is no centralised bank. With drivers licenses, you can only get one from the DVLA or equivalent agency. How do AETR tachs work? One central agency or every country has several agencies that can issue them?
Follow the link I gave you to the AETR document, read it. I believe the agreement was finalised in Geneva.
I still don’t know if Lebanon is a signatory to this agreement, nor is finding out on my priority list. That should be at the top of yours, because if it isn’t you’re on a hiding to nothing.
I doubt AETR issue cards or tachographs. You will have to do some more research into how to get a tacho head fitted, calibrated and authorised for use.
Turkey would probably be a good bet.
Most European countries have eco zones, where vehicles that don’t meet certain specified emissions regulations are not allowed, under any circumstances, wherever they have come from.
You could be excluded from the London Emissions Zone and all German towns, Austria and Switzerland if your truck doesn’t comply with the required emissions. Probably many other places as well.
I don’t travel that far into Europe now, so I’m not familiar with the way other countries have set up their eco friendly stalls.
BTW, you could buy a pre Euro 5 spec tractor unit easily enough, but within Europe the road tolls include an eco friendly part. The less eco friendly the motor, the more you pay per Km.
It won’t take long to be paying more in tolls than you saved on buying a cheap wagon. My 3 year old, Euro 6 wagon has paid well over €6,000.00 in tolls for Germany and I mostly run in France, Belgium, Holland and Switzerland. It also does much better on fuel milage than the previous Euro 5 wagon, which did better than its Euro 4 predecessor.
I’m friends with the Syrian, socialist government that tortures anyone with a slightly radical-leaning way of thought.
says it all… 
dieseldog999:
I’m friends with the Syrian, socialist government that tortures anyone with a slightly radical-leaning way of thought.says it all…
Think he has been blazing (smoking) that 420 too much at uni.
If this is ‘for real’, I’d be talking to Lebanese haulage operators and drivers, not faffing about on here! Robert
+1 Robert. I think start import/export Co. then sub out the transport to hauliers that would be prepared to do it, then the problem of permits and tacho, licences, DCPC alll theirs not the importer/exporter… Tony.
This is comical… Lebanese trucks into the EU and he’s now thinking of ferries from Russia to Japan & Korea.
lespaul1765:
wow 420, for someone looking for help on here you are being pretty rude to the people you are asking for help, maybe you should adjust your manners somewhat before being so critical of those here still reading this post.
+1 Yep doesn’t seem to have much patience, tact or diplomacy for somebody who wants to do business and move goods across International borders?
You seem to have temper tantrums like some petulant teenager, that if they’re not actually one. 
But I’ll still try an help, because I’m a nice polite person with a great deal of tolerance, and it’s a quiet Sunday 
I believe the IRU work on developing road trade links, so might be worth looking round their website for information.
And this is the IRU member in the Lebanon, so probably the place you’d need to contact about permits and other information about exporting goods to the EU.
A Non EU national driving an non EU registered vehicle doesn’t need a DCPC.
Driver C is a Turkish national working for a Turkish haulage company. Although they often drive into the EU, they don’t need to have Driver CPC.
Can’t find anything about the Tachograph regulations for non EU/AETR countries, but I suppose if you get the permits to enter the EU, it will either be a condition of getting it, which I doubt as you also need an issuing authority for the digicard, or they’ll be an exemption.
To be honest I think Astrans pretty much got the UK - Middle East market sewn up. They don’t run their own trucks anymore (or at least I don’t think they do) as it’s too much hassle. Good luck but I think you’re aiming a bit high for someone just starting out.
switchlogic:
To be honest I think Astrans pretty much got the UK - Middle East market sewn up. They don’t run their own trucks anymore (or at least I don’t think they do) as it’s too much hassle. Good luck but I think you’re aiming a bit high for someone just starting out.
You’re right about Astran being at the front - and I was a subbie’s driver for them (yes, I know: bottom of the pile!) but it was damned interesting work! They haven’t run their own fleet for well over 30 years. By the way I mentioned earlier that you couldn’t transit Lebanon with goods for other countries when I was doing it. Well I’ve just found this piece in Commercial Motor from 1975 stating that you couldn’t ‘tip’ in Lebanon either! [See article below].
So if Lebanon was that protectionist then, it is possible that it is now - which would explain why you don’t see foreign lorries in Lebanon and would possibly explain why there appear to be no reciprocal arrangements with the EU. I’m just projecting: as you can see I’m drawing evidence from the 1970s and I’m a retired old git; but I know a bit about how the Middle East works.
‘Switchlogic’ is right: you have to learn to walk before you can run. Robert
Good luck competing with the door to door cost of about £1600 for a container
robert1952:
If this is ‘for real’, I’d be talking to Lebanese haulage operators and drivers, not faffing about on here! Robert
I did, but none have driven to EU. Only Turkey and Gulf states, when it was peaceful. I have contacted the Chamber of Commerce, Industry and Agriculture as someone has recommended. Let’s see what they say.
420weblazeit:
robert1952:
If this is ‘for real’, I’d be talking to Lebanese haulage operators and drivers, not faffing about on here! RobertI did, but none have driven to EU. Only Turkey and Gulf states, when it was peaceful. I have contacted the Chamber of Commerce, Industry and Agriculture as someone has recommended. Let’s see what they say.
Then good luck - ow fursa sa3eeda, y3ani!
Robert
420weblazeit:
robert1952:
If this is ‘for real’, I’d be talking to Lebanese haulage operators and drivers, not faffing about on here! RobertI did, but none have driven to EU. Only Turkey and Gulf states, when it was peaceful. I have contacted the Chamber of Commerce, Industry and Agriculture as someone has recommended. Let’s see what they say.
Obviously a reason then that none have driven into Europe, find that reason and you’ll get a better idea of where u stand.