I’m not against them…i’m paid from the neck down 
AndrewG:
Winseer:
Personally, I’d like to see everyone driving under a red ‘x’ get fined, everyone doing more than 30mph over the speed limit lose their licence, and any licence endorsements applied to professional drivers that are self-employed (so they should know better!) - get those points doubled.Why would you want points doubled for self employed drivers. And…how could that ever be implemented?
Do you not ever break any rules of the road? Dont tell me, downhill youre on the brakes in case of a 1kph overspeed and never break any posted limits…
I’m beginning to sound like I have something against Winseer, I have not, he just both amuses and annoys me. 
I bet he was the goody kid at school who never broke the rules, handed his homework in all the time, and told the teacher tales about everybody. He was always sat on the front of the bus in immaculate school uniform while me and the rest of the ‘cool gang’ 
sat on the bus back seat chucking emoty Coke cans at him. 
Sorry Winseer, I’ll leave you alone now before you grass me up to Rikki
(Only winding you up bud, love you really, take no notice of me, as I’m sure you don’t 
)
‘Smart’ tax collection system.
I rarely use (so called) smart motorways during the day so don’t really feel qualified to comment on that aspect. I do however use them regularly on a night, and they are a menace. Random speed limits for no apparent reason, flashing like an eighties disco as car drivers fly through them, then back to NSL just as quickly. Red x lane closure either miles too early or for no reason ( I’m assuming the roadworks have cleared but there’s no sign of workers). Speed limits that jump up and down like a rabbit on speed, supposedly they shouldn’t change by more than 20mph but I’ve seen them change by more. I’ve even seen a (so called) smart motorway have three different speed limits on each of three lanes, again, I didn’t see a reason for it.
IMO the smartest things about these motorways is that they pay for themselves. But what do I know, maybe things are different in daylight hours.
Smart motorways populated by DUMB drivers… that’s the problem right there!
If everyone drove properly the way they were taught, obeyed road signs and speed limits,
and followed lane discipline, the motorways ( Smart or otherwise! ) and other roads would
run smoothly…
Sadly, that’ll never happen… because you have a road system shared with drivers of different
abilities and skills, and human nature being what it is people have their own agenda and
drive in a way that suits them, NOT other people!
and if I ever meet the ■■■■ that coined the phrase “The Fast Lane” I’ll run the ■■■■ over
because guess where EVERYONE wants to be these days… No-one wants to be in the
‘Slow Lane’ do they
Which is why as far as I’m concerned the ‘Slow Lane’ is the new ‘Fast Lane’ because it’s mostly
empty these days and If I can take full advantage of it, in a safe manner, I will EVERY timeI!
commonrail:
And as for dual carriageways.
The busy ones are some of the most dangerous roads we encounter.
We should be bringing them upto motorway standard…not taking motorways down to d/c standard.
+1
Strange how we seem to have had no problem doing exactly that with the A3 in 1975.
As opposed to the A34 and A14 even in the 21st century and now seem to want to turn motorways into more of the same.
Lennoxtown:
and if I ever meet the [zb] that coined the phrase “The Fast Lane” I’ll run the [zb] over
‘‘Life in the fast lane, surely make you lose your mind’’
Glen Lewis Frey (The Eagles) 1948 2016.
RIP
There are enforcement cameras in London that can detect illegal right/left turns, blocking yellow boxes, etc - I’m sure this is mainly software-based… given how many gantries there are on m-ways such as the M5, M3, M4, M25 - wouldn’t it be more effective to use that software to target people who are driving inefficiently (inappropriate use of speed, inappropriate choice of lane, tailgating, etc). It doesn’t bring as an immediate effect, but would ‘teach’ people to drive properly through penalty charges or warnings…
Gov’t is keen to crack the whip on people hogging lanes, but that relies on them being spotted by an officer and stopped. An officer is not going to do a motorway stop unless the vehicle in question is endangering safety - stopping on the hard shoulder is a pretty dangerous thing to do so needs a good reason.
robroy:
Lennoxtown:
and if I ever meet the [zb] that coined the phrase “The Fast Lane” I’ll run the [zb] over‘‘Life in the fast lane, surely make you lose your mind’’
Glen Lewis Frey (The Eagles) 1948 2016.
RIP
Probably based the record on American standards of lane discipline rather than German. 
iomex:
Gov’t is keen to crack the whip on people hogging lanes, but that relies on them being spotted by an officer and stopped.
The government’s own road use policy,especially the idea of ‘managed motorways’, contradicts the idea of strict lane discipline.The object of current motorway planning and use seems to be that of ‘capacity’ in moving large amounts of deliberately grouped/bunched traffic at relatively slow and similar over regulated limited speeds.
In which the idea of multiple lanes of traffic bunched as closely as possible are just part of that aim and not there for the exclusive purpose of providing for higher speeds in the form of them being for overtaking only.While it can only be one or the other not both with the idea of lane discipline being irrelevant in the case of the former because the multiple lanes in that case are only there to provide extra capacity not for over taking.
At which point motorways then just become a liabilty of at best not much,if any, higher speeds than other types of NSL roads.But subject to potentially massive unavoidable jams in the event of incidents between junctions and therefore best avoided. 
robroy:
Winseer:
I’ll use roads with best judgement at all times. That doesn’t always involve “following the rules to the letter”. Since I don’t own the world, no one is ever going to follow my advice anyway, so I’ll plod on alone, and let nature take it’s course elsewhere. All I’ve been saying is that if we have two choices, one “legal but dangerous” the other “illegal but far safer” - then those who think “killing someone with their conscience clear” when they made a clear choice to do just that - have only got themselves to live with. “Thou shalt not kill” is a moral imperative, but “thou shalt not get jailed for killing” is quite another. I don’t trust the law to get it right, the politicians to make the correct laws, nor the police to enforce them properly when they get told by their own superiors “not to” when it politically suits the ruling party to enforce one set of rules over another.Personally, I’d like to see everyone driving under a red ‘x’ get fined, everyone doing more than 30mph over the speed limit lose their licence, and any licence endorsements applied to professional drivers that are self-employed (so they should know better!) - get those points doubled.
:Winseer mate, you and me are like chalk and cheese, which is why I find your posts somewhat strange, amusing, sometimes boring, but nearly always mildly annoying.
I,m a bit of a laid back kind of guy who usually takes things in his stride. I usually never panic about stuff, get on with it, and if [zb] hppens try and deal with it the best I can and see it through, both in driving a truck and life in general, I don’t suffer d/heads in both walks of life, and basically I aint a fuss pot or a drama queen.
As for you, and judging by your posts, I picture you as this nervous wreck driving a truck, decked out in hi viz buttoned up from head to toe (just in case) I prefer nights because I get worked up driving in rush hour traffic.
Sat bolt upright at the wheel, nose touching the windscreen, hands doing a strict 10 to 2 formation death grip.
Constantly scouring and observing the roads for potential fatal accidents, with your bluetooth on stand by to call the Police to warn them of anything from illegally parked foreigners, to undertaking trucks. I don’t inform the police of anything, since they are never around to be told anything anyway!. I don’t own a bluetooth, and don’t believe in using communication devices whilst driving. I had a go whilst driving for F&W, but found taking a call even on a hands-free just too damned distracting.
You are sat there in lane 2 totally oblivious to the fact you have a mile of traffic behind you totally wanting to strangle you. I never hold up traffic in this fashion. If there is a stream of traffic in lane two and I can’t get out - I’m quite happy to click back to 50 and sit behind Mr Supermarket wagon. We’re talking of 2 lane motorways or dual carriageways here. My talk of “sitting in lane 2 of a managed motorway” is invariably “2 of 4”.
You do not see them sat there in your ‘killing machine’ as you are totally zoned out on stand by mode, to deal with any motorway carnage which might ensue. I’ve seen several trucks run into grief a few hundred yards in front of me over the years. “Too fast, too close” is the biggest cause of truck crashes that I’ve seen.
Seriously bud, you must be totally knackered after every shift, so my advice is relax, don’t look for what ifs, and maybes, but be mildly aware of them as the rest of us are. Strangely, I find right now that I finish a shift more relaxed than when I start one…
Every truck journey is not a 95% chance of motoray mayhem and carnage, so sort yourself out, … as yes you may die on the road, but from a stress related [zb] heart attack !!
I’m already on blood pressure pills, but the docs keep on picking up nothing untowards on my heart scans. Just as well I suppose, as I don’t have the connections I used to have back in the 80’s to get into “one of my other lines of work” should I lose my C+E entitlement before reaching retirement age…
Roads don’t stress me - just people. I’m a sociopath it’s true. People, especially crowds - get on my ■■■■ at all times. There are many reasons why I’ve spent 25 years out of the past 26 - working the night shifts… “For the Peace and Quiet” is one of them.
robroy:
AndrewG:
Winseer:
Personally, I’d like to see everyone driving under a red ‘x’ get fined, everyone doing more than 30mph over the speed limit lose their licence, and any licence endorsements applied to professional drivers that are self-employed (so they should know better!) - get those points doubled.Why would you want points doubled for self employed drivers. And…how could that ever be implemented?
Do you not ever break any rules of the road? Dont tell me, downhill youre on the brakes in case of a 1kph overspeed and never break any posted limits…I’m beginning to sound like I have something against Winseer, I have not, he just both amuses and annoys me.
I bet he was the goody kid at school who never broke the rules, handed his homework in all the time, and told the teacher tales about everybody. He was always sat on the front of the bus in immaculate school uniform while me and the rest of the ‘cool gang’I did used to get ribbed by the cool gang sprawled across the back seat of the coach on school trips…
Have a House Point!
I broke the rules all the time, and didn’t get caught. I’m not a good liar, but I am quite good at believable bulls hit so I never got asked the awkward “Who chopped down the Cherry Tree” type questions…
If I were posh, I’d probably sound like Blair (Tony not Lionel!) but I’m as common as muck, and so must take my sport from those who “judge the book by it’s cover” and get it wrong, to their own detriment… I’ll do people favours all the time - but take a “If you don’t ask - you don’t get” approach to such things. You don’t get anything for ignoring me all the time.Sorry Winseer, I’ll leave you alone now before you grass me up to Rikki
(Only winding you up bud, love you really, take no notice of me, as I’m sure you don’t
Full marks for not coming back at me with abuse mate.
I applaud you for that.
But I still think of you as the Alan Partridge of Trucknet…sorry
We will never see eye to eye on things as you and me are direct opposites on most things.
But hey, seriously, …keep an eye on that blood pressure, and take stuff in your stride more, as that will go a long way to sort it.
Dr Rob.