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bullitt:
Hello Skip, great to see some new life and pictures put back into the M/E threads :smiley: In your picture you have two Astran trucks behind you. One in the queue and one following you. Was one the late Robert Dodds-Brown? Im sure I have seen some old pics of his own truck in those Astran colours and im guessing it was around the same time. Good pics and memories, keep em coming1 :wink:

I didn’t know that Dods-Brown pulled for Astran, in his m/e career he was pulling for Chapman and Ball for quite some time, that’s where I first met him.

Hello BB, yes my mistake. I thought I remembered someone posting a pic of his own 141 in the cream / brown livery and it having the Astran “A” on the grill. He lived 5 minutes down the road from me and I did a job at house. Avery nice bloke, easy to talk to. When I saw his pic on one of the M/E threads I nearly fell over. He did phone me up after I mentioned him on here and I intended to get to speak to him again with regard to this site but never got the chance.

An oddball, i saw this in Istanbul late '73 early '74,
Looks to be on Tehran plates,
Was parked for many days
Anyone ever spotted one of them?
I thought CCC only made US Garbage trucks & Dock Tugs

Hi all.If my memory serves it’s a CCC [Crane Carrier Company].I’m not sure what mechanics it has but around that time there we’re a lot of them in Tehran with long noses.I think the Shah bought a shed load of them in one go.Mike

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My longest trip for Jeff, around 3 months door to door,
Pity i opted for Trip Money not wages,
Simple enough looking load,
A bit for Damascus, half a load for Amman, rest for Doha.
No probs,
This was when i used the Volos-Tartous ferry as often as i could to avoid Turkey,
But politics got in the way just before i got to Volos,
Syria would not let me in to unload in Damascus with a Jordanian load on board!! something kicked off between countries way after i left London,
A couple of days kicking my heels in beautiful downtown Volos (remember when you had to park a mile or so inside docks and walk for an hour or so back to Shipping Office in town?) it finally dawned on me i wasnt going anywhere, and back to UK was totally out of the question, paperwork got me trapped,
Communication to Simon office was a hit or miss affair back then, but comments were ‘see what you can do, thought you had been there, done that, and let us know’.
I knew a guy in a shipping office in Athens that had helped me when delivering to Greek Islands the year before, and he spoke excellent English,
So, off to Athens for a chat, after numerous phone calls he figured he could get me a Ferry to Cyprus and another one onto Beirut in the Lebanon,
He could arrange a local Lebanese Tonka to load Syrian stuff in Beirut and leave me to make my merry way into Jordan, apparently it was fine to ‘Transit’ Syria from the Lebenon (try making sense of that?) i had to drive through Damascus!!!
All he needed was ‘Money’, ferries are not free,
That took the best part of a week to get hold of Jeff and get money transferred,
He was quite happy i found a solution, and the cream on the cake was ferry was cheaper than Volos-Tartous,
All looked good until agent mentioned a Lebanese Visa, bugger
No way to get one in Greece for some reason, But i ‘Could’ get one in Cyprus, maybe,
So in at the deep end, destination unknown, got onto an almost deserted ferry in Pireus bound for Larnaca,

I thought i was going to Limassol■■?, Get off Ferry and park on docks, i was not allowed to drive in Cyprus,
Taxi up to Lefkosa and Lebanese Embassy, dead easy i thought, nobody mentioned the ‘Peace Line’ to me (Turkey/Greece, not best of friends)
Embassy closed when i arrived,
Shabby (Cheap) Hotel for night, On doorstep of Embassy at sparrowsfart, they opened door at 10, zillion papers to fill out, have photo taken, come back tomorrow (whats new?)
Next day, wait and wait, come back tomorrow FFS
3rd day hooray, VISA, worried about truck parked in dodgy docks, mad taxi back to docks and book on next ferry to Beirut, luckily next day.
I thought it odd that great big ferry had about 10 trucks onboard, 8 Tonka’s, a Frenchman and me, frog was tipping in Beirut and had been there many times.

From about 20 miles out i saw lots of smoke, must be a big fire somewhere, as we got closer the ‘Big Fire’ appeared to be most of the docks!!
Ferry Captain didnt mess about, straight upto dock wall with ramp halfway down, when close enough he just dropped it, no tying up or any nonsense, all 10 trucks off in 2 mins and he was away at a vast rate of knots,
Total devastation, not a building standing, Not a fire at all, it was a WAR, we were shuffled to corner and parked under curfew for 3 days, docks had been mortared only a few hours before we docked,
Being young and stupid i thought this was all very exciting,

On 4th day it was thought safe enough to let us wander out of docks, but be back by 6pm curfew,
Frog and i walked for hours amongst ruins, loads of guys with guns, everyone staring at us, they must have thought we must belong there, no trouble at all ( act innocent, look innocent and no one notices)
Try that today in Middle East, we wouldnt have lasted 2 mins,

Count the bullet holes, they were everywhere, what were they shooting at■■?

Frog looking quite relaxed, said it was a fantastic city before war, just like Nice & Monaco

Shot of Famous Hilton Hotel with Mortar Bomb or Tank shot, through 11th floor

Blown up Tank in Hilton car park entrance

This wasnt Disneyland, but i was wandering streets looking like a tramp, and got away with it,

Took a day or so to get Damascus load onto a Tonka, and i was ready to go, but low on fuel, guess what? virtually no diesel left in whole city, max you could buy was 50Ltrs,
I looked at map and figured Syrian border was no more than 50 miles away, till Tonka driver (spoke French) told me i needed Full tanks to reach border, Beirut surrounded by mountains, Tonka man pointed up at top of nearest mountain and said thats where road go’s, 10 Hrs minimum, about 10 miles away on map,
I scraped up about 400Ltrs from here there and everywhere and set off, sure enough it was 10hrs of low range hairpin after hairpin to top.
At top of range i came across loads of British Squaddies dug in both sides of road looking down on city, got a cuppa from them but no way could i have any diesel, what they were doing there is beyond me, very very covert methinks,
Rolled into the most shambolic customs i have ever seen, on fumes, park anywhere you want, no barriers, one bloke for each side if you could find them and their magic stamps, if only all ME borders were like this! Tonka Tanker parked on side of road more than happy to fill tanks for US Dollars.
2 or 3 hrs later into Damascus and back to reality,
A month and a bit and i hadnt yet reached my tip in Amman,

skipvitesse:
An oddball, i saw this in Istanbul late '73 early '74,
Looks to be on Tehran plates,
Was parked for many days
Anyone ever spotted one of them?
I thought CCC only made US Garbage trucks & Dock Tugs

I saw a convoy of about three of them outside Mama’s at Spielfeld on one trip, Teheran registered and pointing home.

An excellent ‘Long Distance Diary’, Skipvitesse! Thanks. Robert :smiley:

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I saw a convoy of about three of them outside Mama’s at Spielfeld on one trip, Teheran registered and pointing home.
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It is a CCC Nahang, built in USA for export to Iran in the '70s. Nahang, I have discovered, in Farsi means: Whale. They had ■■■■■■■ 290 lumps with 9-speed Fuller gearboxes. A lot of them used to get to Europe, especially Germany in the '70s & '80s. Robert :smiley:

Remember when using the Volos-Tartous ferry, and from Tartous you had to drive inland to pick up the Aleppo to Damascus road, and had to run through about a kilometre of Lebanon because a meandering stream was the actual border, no border control, just like driving down the road, one minute you’re in Syria, next minute you’re in Lebanon, then back in Syria again. there were shanty type shops on both sides of the road selling duty free goods, anything from truck tyres to whiskey.
I knew some that bought a case or two if they were doing Saudi and fancied getting some in!.
I did a three month trip when I was on Brit European.
Apparently in '76 there was a backlog of container ships for Saudi, so an enterprising group of Armenians set up a firm based in Latakia, a bit further up the coast from Tartous, and had containers from the USA and the far east delivered to Limmasol on Cyprus, which is a deep sea container port.
My boss at the time, Ron Carman (RIP), asked me a few questions in his office before I left on one trip, like “How long would it take to get from Cyprus to Dammam or Cyprus to Kuwait?”
I gave him my best guess and set out for Doha.
When I had tipped in Doha, the firms manager let me use the firms satallite 'phone to call home, and call my office.
It was then I was given instructions to go to Latakia, find who is running the ro-ro ferry to Limmasol, get on it and someone will meet you in Limmasol!
After spending an hour walking into most of the shipping offices in Latakia, I eventually found the firm that was running this ro-ro to Limmasol, “Welcome mister Taylor, we’ve been expecting you!”
“The ferry leaves tomorrow, it’s about a ten hour crossing, let’s go down to the docks and show you the ship”.
Well I’ve never seen such a small ro-ro ferry. It was on hire from some French firm, it only had doors at the back end and because of the curvature
of the hull, the first few trucks had a chain fastened to the back end of the trailer and fastened in one of the “Elephant’s feet” on the floor, chuck some oil under your trailer tyres so that as you shunt forward the back end of your trailer is slides into the wall. Getting off is the reverse!
I was the only European on there, all the others were Syrians with there ubiquitous long nosed Bussings and home made drags.
This was a good paying job if you could carry the weight, favourite was a twenty foot container with twenty tons of sugar in, trouble was, these Syrian motors were so unreliable with so much weight on, they were forever breaking down, and they were not very well organised anyway.
This shipping firm had obviously seen British motors, especially Brit European’s and had asked for some help, which is where I came in!
Unfortunately my boss had asked me these questions before I left but never said he wanted me to do the job until I was about to return from Doha.
As I had been in Cyprus in the army I was looking forward to going there again.
When we were loaded, I asked where the cabins were, “Cabins? Sorry mister no cabins, the other drivers sleep there”,pointing to a 20 foot container chained to the deck! All the Syrian drivers had their bedrolls laid out in the container.
I declined dossing in the container, preferring to kip below deck in my cab, however, the Syrian drivers were great guys, they laid out a sheet on the deck had a big plate of salad and bread and a pot of chai
“Come sit and eat with us mister”, I was most humbled by their friendship!
When we docked in Limmasol there was a guy waiting for me, he told me to park my truck in the corner of the container dock as he had me booked in a hotel!
The usual thing was to get off the ferry, a straddle carrier would take off your empty box and put another one on, then straight back on the boat, turn around was a couple of hours.
I watched the boat leave on the return trip, then I was taken to The Currium Palace Hotel, some of you may know it, it’s usually full of English tourists.
I went to the shipping office and was told what the operation was, and could I strip my tilt down to carry a forty foot container?
I was able to 'phone home from the hotel. We all know what the 'phones were like back then, I usually rang home as I was leaving west Germany on my way out, and from the same area on my way back. Of course when I called mum, she thought I was in west Germany and would be home in a couple of days.
When I told her I was in Cyprus, after a minutes silence, she asked me “When will you be home then?”
I told her I was probably going back to Saudi and back to Cyprus and I’d call her when I was back!
Because this ro-ro ferry was always full when it came over, so it was always full on the return, with me missing out after landing, I had to wait five days for an empty place, so I had to spend five days in the hotel swimming pool with a couple of English nurses I got to know!
Anyway, I stripped my tilt leaving all the bits in the corner of the container yard, loaded a forty foot container, no twist locks, just a piece of chain round the back to stop it sliding out!
To cut a long story short, I did three trips then I told my boss I had to come home before there was a divorce, he asked me to do one more trip and I had to refuse.
So on the last trip I dropped my box on Latakia dock, my tilt, less all the tilt boards, (Some Syrian driver probably built a ■■■■■■■ house out of them!), was sent over from Cyprus and I ran empty back to Holland where I loaded shrubs for a garden centre.
I had been out just over three months by the time I got back, and Mr Carman wanted me to turn round in two days! I said I wanted a week off, but some ar$e licker who’d never done m/e before said, “I’ll drive Ian’s motor mister Carman”.
So that was my last trip for Brit European.

Crossing H4 with a forty foot container.

There are more similar pictures in the new book that’s on the shelves, Beyond the Bosphorous.

The Golden kilometer of Lebanon on the Tartous road, they used every inch of the road that was not exactly within Syrian territory, Absolutely anything and everything was on sale,

Most ferries to and from Cyprus, Syria & Lebanon were single rear door, drive on, reverse off, great but most locals could not reverse to save their lives, No link spans just ferry backed up to concrete dock, and unless completely calm ship moved around a hell of a lot, sometimes you were halfway off in reverse and found you were almost jacknifed before unit reached Terra Firma, i have had to drive back on ferry in a big hurry more than once. Greek islands were always worst, no breakwaters and a dock no more than 30ft wide, so you had to reverse off and get trailer round at same time, often ship would be moving up and down about 20ft and sideways 10ft.
I have sat and watched unloading where it took so long to get a few trucks off that tide had changed and ferry had to leave, i couldnt get on and others couldnt get off, try again Tomorrow was the norm in winter.

Winter was a sod, big waves and no stabilisers, all trucks well chained down

I also recall one ferry on the Volos-Tartous route that had a lift from bottom deck to top, i soon learnt not to be one of the first onboard, one truck at a time, no spinning around, if you ended up on top deck you had to reverse onto lift to get down, and as stability was in question the crew tried to get top deck off before bottom was empty, try telling that to locals, as soon as rear door opened they were all in a mad rush in reverse, horns blaring, total chaos, lift took 10 mins per truck, so you could loose a full day just by being in the wrong place on loading,
Accommodation and food was a joke, one ferry had a ‘Shower’, an overhead nozzle on truck deck, thats it! out in the wide open, take it or leave it, and dont even talk of the toilet facillities, there wasnt any,
A good crossing 10Hrs, a bad one maybe 25-30Hrs,

The Aegean Sea conjures up visions of Sun Soaked Greek Islands, the mild safe Cyprus,

Far from it, a vicious sea in winter,

Anyone remember the truck ferry that went down just off coast of Cyprus??
Still there to this day, upside down, complete with fully loaded artics hanging from chains, well over 100 trucks onboard at time,

And we used this as a ‘Safe’ alternative to driving through Turkey? (although i must admit i preffered dodgy ferries over Kamikaze, Polis & Turkish Customs)

Skip

Here’s a picture (taken by Jeff Johnson) of lorries waiting on Tartus docks to cross to Volos in those days. You can pick out a couple of Whittles wagons, a Davies Turner DAF and an Eric Vick ERF NGC ‘European’ (which I identify as KFH 248P). I was talking to an old Vick driver recently, who mentioned that occasionally they crossed from Latakia instead of Tartus.

There are several references from drivers who made those crossings back in the '70s on the various Middle-East threads on here. Here’s a link to some pics I nicked from other threads some time ago and popped on the ERF 1975 thread:

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Robert

KFH 248P in Tartus docks Jeff Johnson.jpg

robert1952:
Here’s a picture (taken by Jeff Johnson) of lorries waiting on Tartus docks to cross to Volos in those days. You can pick out a couple of Whittles wagons, a Davies Turner DAF and an Eric Vick ERF NGC ‘European’ (which I identify as KFH 248P). I was talking to an old Vick driver recently, who mentioned that occasionally they crossed from Latakia instead of Tartus.

There are several references from drivers who made those crossings back in the '70s on the various Middle-East threads on here. Here’s a link to some pics I nicked from other threads some time ago and popped on the ERF 1975 thread:

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Robert

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Dont remember Tartous looking like that? More like Volos going out.
Tartous had mud huts as highest point of town, and a god awful road back in early 70’s
Skip

skipvitesse:

robert1952:
Here’s a picture (taken by Jeff Johnson) of lorries waiting on Tartus docks to cross to Volos in those days. You can pick out a couple of Whittles wagons, a Davies Turner DAF and an Eric Vick ERF NGC ‘European’ (which I identify as KFH 248P). I was talking to an old Vick driver recently, who mentioned that occasionally they crossed from Latakia instead of Tartus.

There are several references from drivers who made those crossings back in the '70s on the various Middle-East threads on here. Here’s a link to some pics I nicked from other threads some time ago and popped on the ERF 1975 thread:

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=83810&start=1350

Robert

Dont remember Tartous looking like that? More like Volos going out.
Tartous had mud huts as highest point of town, and a god awful road back in early 70’s
Skip

I’m only going on the caption of the photographer, who said it was Tartus. Perhaps he had transposed Volos and Tartus in his memory! And as I only ever transited Syria by road, I never visited those coastal towns so I certainly won’t argue with you; other than to show this picture of Tartus taken during the same period. It appears to show the same building as in the other pic - it was taken by Henk Maas. Robert

Another period shot of Tartus taken from a ferry; again by Henk Maas. Robert

I can’t help with the Volos/Tartus discussion. I never went that way. I spent many hours waiting slumped across the wheel, moving a few yards at a time in Bulgaria to get into Kapikule - particularly summer '76, when the Turks were heading home for their holidays!

The point of the following ramblings is to say that It was amazing what a few years could make in terms of different views of the same place. Sadly I was not a photographer! Even a few diary notes would have been helpful!

I think I’m lucky to have a mind that remembers in pictures, even if I can’t throw them onto the page!

Riyadh in 1976/77 was small almost, but relentless building! 10 years later - another world.

I read on another thread somewhere about someone who’d made good money in Jeddah, and saw all the F89s being shipped in (presumably Backslice’s SARAMAT fleet) decided that internals were finished and went home. I saw that rate reduction, particularly as the road to Abha and Khamis was finished. Rates dropped from £5,000 to £1,000 for the same job. It was still a return trip that couldn’t be imagined in the UK, but at least now it was on Tarmac!

I guess I should google Yanbu and have a look at it now.

Autumn '76 we (Fred, Gerry and myself, working for Douglas Freight, IOM) were told to head up there from Jeddah to collect and deliver trailers off a barge which I think had set off from Greece (hazy about the details).

It was a collection of mud huds, criss-crossed with telephone and electricity wires - most of which I tore down on my journey to the jetty as I had another trailer topped up on my own. I was not a popular man, but as my action was repeated several times over the coming days, they realised that they were on a loser. The customs office was a room with a desk in it - the ‘customs chief’ used to walk about hand in hand with a younger person. We were told that this was a normal act of friendship there.

Many years later, I watched Lawrence of Arabia. Their version of of Yanbu in 1917 was possibly more modern than reality in the seventies! (Incidentally, the British vessel supporting Lawrence was the ‘Euryalis’ which was built in Barrow and has a street on Walney named after her.)

In '77 I moved across to Dammam/Khobar. Again, the rates had dropped from previous ‘loadsamoney’ levels, but diesel was coppers, nobody checked log sheets - no Monastery on your back - as an O/D it was a good place to be. I’m sorry it didn’t work for Jeffeun, but it did for me!

John.

robert1952:
Another period shot of Tartus taken from a ferry; again by Henk Maas. Robert

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My mistake, old age and Altzheimers kicking in,
Buildings in background at first looked liked high rises, but 2nd pic shows them as grain storage and port buildings,
City was not much in those days,
I had no idea that city had a large fort, i never spotted it,
I just remember a crap road, i recall a very tight uphill left hand bend out of town, 1st or 2nd gear in DAF 13Sp Fuller Box, couldnt change up till a dutch guy told me to use exhaust brake on upchanges, he had a lever on gear stick to fire off exhaust brake, a god save on severe mountains,
Road from port to main Damascus road was a very much hit or miss affair in '74,

skipvitesse:

robert1952:
Another period shot of Tartus taken from a ferry; again by Henk Maas. Robert

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My mistake, old age and Altzheimers kicking in,
Buildings in background at first looked liked high rises, but 2nd pic shows them as grain storage and port buildings,
City was not much in those days,
I had no idea that city had a large fort, i never spotted it,
I just remember a crap road, i recall a very tight uphill left hand bend out of town, 1st or 2nd gear in DAF 13Sp Fuller Box, couldnt change up till a dutch guy told me to use exhaust brake on upchanges, he had a lever on gear stick to fire off exhaust brake, a god save on severe mountains,
Road from port to main Damascus road was a very much hit or miss affair in '74,

Bless you, mate! Most of us used the clutch-brake/interia-brake/stop-brake (at the bottom of the clutch travel) for swift upchanges on the Fuller 'box, but very few on this forum ever seemed to master the exhaust-brake upchange on the 13-speed Fuller. I didn’t even know about it! All respect to your experience, and thanks for your wonderful insights into a bygone era of our trucking history. Cheers! Robert :smiley:

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robert1952:

skipvitesse:

robert1952:
Another period shot of Tartus taken from a ferry; again by Henk Maas. Robert

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My mistake, old age and Altzheimers kicking in,
Buildings in background at first looked liked high rises, but 2nd pic shows them as grain storage and port buildings,
City was not much in those days,
I had no idea that city had a large fort, i never spotted it,
I just remember a crap road, i recall a very tight uphill left hand bend out of town, 1st or 2nd gear in DAF 13Sp Fuller Box, couldnt change up till a dutch guy told me to use exhaust brake on upchanges, he had a lever on gear stick to fire off exhaust brake, a god save on severe mountains,
Road from port to main Damascus road was a very much hit or miss affair in '74,

Bless you, mate! Most of us used the clutch-brake/interia-brake/stop-brake (at the bottom of the clutch travel) for swift upchanges on the Fuller 'box, but very few on this forum ever seemed to master the exhaust-brake upchange on the 13-speed Fuller. I didn’t even know about it! All respect to your experience, and thanks for your wonderful insights into a bygone era of our trucking history. Cheers! Robert :smiley:

Unfortunately the Clutch Brake on a truck equipped with a Fuller box was nearly always burnt out in 1st year, bad driver tuition, to drive a Fuller correctly clutch was only used to move from standing start, gear changes up and down without clutch if done right, if clutch WAS used it should only be about 90% pedal travel, just dip it, Full travel engaged the clutch brake, and on a down change transmitted full load of vehicle through clutch as a braking effort, i learnt to drive a Fuller 13sp in the states when i was 21, an old timer giving tuition and a hard task master, truck had No front brakes and not much of brakes on rest of outfit, got my knuckles rapped very often in first few days running down through North and South Carolina, hillbilly country in those days, no Interstate back then,Lesson was learnt fast, so when after driving a Merc with a Synchro box to Russia for a year i got a job with Jeff he gave me a DAF with a Fuller box, i felt at home instantly,
P.S. did you know that the 13 speed Fuller box actually had 15 gears?
Another lesson from West Virginian mountain roads and an expert tutor,
You had a crawler and then 4 main gears, normal use was to Range change from 5th Low to 2nd High direct, and split each gear as required, but you could range change from Low 5th to High Range Crawler, and split that as well before 2nd high (normally 6th, but in fact 8th)
The golden rule of Never go down faster than you can get up stayed with me all my driving life, i have been caught out with a crash box of not having enough revs to drop a gear, the worst was an Eaton Twin Split and an early speed limiter in Spain, just a tad over 90 Kph and came over top of crest, try to split one down, impossible, no engine revs, change would not go through leaving you in a false neutral till you hit brakes enough to get below 90, rev nuts off engine and hope and pray gear engaged.
Same problem i had with an early MAN, 12 sp ZF Crash Box, Column change, going up dead easy, going down the box on a steep mountain required lots of thinking ahead, almost killed me in Iran,

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Tartus (tartous) docks as i remember it