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I have read several times on this site about the horrendous queues at Zahko going into Iraq and also coming back out again into Turkey. I have to be honest but I just don’t recall there being those terrible queues. Was it that in 75/76 which is when I was going through that border that things weren’t so bad? Yes, there were queues but nothing like those that I had experienced at Bazargan for instance.
Perhaps for you guys that did it for longer than me or started later and even into the 80’s that the situation got progressively worse. Was that the case?

I remember the one trip that I did to Baghdad when I had my girlfriend with me. At the border at Zahko one of the officials couldn’t get his head round the fact that I had a woman with me that wasn’t my wife. He asked me how much I had to pay her each day. This made me laugh and I jokingly replied that it was the other way round and that she had to pay me for the privilege of accompanying me!

He then asked if it was possible for me to get him one like this. Obviously, I didn’t want to give him a negative response whilst my paperwork was being processed so I nodded favourably. He then went on to say and gestured with his hands by holding finger and thumb of one hand to form a circle and pushing the index finger of his other hand through the ‘circle’ …“No this, OK?” It took me a moment to realise that he was saying that he didn’t want one that had been penetrated and that he wanted a virgin. I replied that I would do my best but to get a virgin would take me a little longer. :slight_smile:
What idiots they were!!! :laughing: :laughing:

Yes Ron,I think that the queues at Zahko did get longer as time went on.I started running to Baghdad in '75 and in the early '80’s the queues were longer.Part of this was due to the volume of traffic,but the Arabs system didn’t help.
I have only done Teheran twice,once in '76 and again in '83 and the queues at Barzagan both times were horrendous.

the first time I went through Zacho was in 75 and ‘‘busy’’ was another european truck and 3 or 4 Tonkas, the customs were run by Iraqi army officers who called you sir and asked you politely for your papers, told you to come back in a couple of hours and sent an army private with you in the cab as far as Mosul in case of trouble with the Kurds although what good one soldier was is anyone’s guess in fact it would probably cause more trouble than a european on his own.
The last time I went through in about 81 after a couple of years away was enough to put me off bothering again, 3 days in the queue gave me plenty of time to think that the job was’nt worth it and together with the diesel restrictions of 200 litres fill at the garages plus turkish road tax (which was’nt around in 75) convinced me to move back to doing Greece which was a lot more fun and less agravation.
That said I did like the M/E and if I did’nt live in the States and was offered the chance to do Saudi or that way in todays modern trucks I would probably say yes if the money was right.
Chazzer

Hi Ron, I honestly can’t say what the queues were like on the way to Iran or to Iraq in the seventies as I didn’t do my first trip to Turkey until 1980. What I can say is that over the seven years that I was running to Turkey, was that the traffic increased greatly but the infrastructure didn’t improve all that much.
I did notice that over the years The Commie Block countries, especially So-Mat from Bulgaria and C.S.S.D. from Czechoslovakia appeared to increase their fleets with Volvo’s which I did hear was something to do with a loan from either Sweden or the E.E.C. but how true that was I don’t really know. In the mid 80’s Turkey also allegedly received a large loan from the E.E.C. or The World Bank, which had something to do with Turkey applying to join The E.E.C. but was not accepted. The loan was supposed to improve the Turkish infrastructure, roads, bridges and borders and there was also a rumour that the Turkish Police had also been told to clean up their act and to be lot nicer to foreigners :unamused: .
It was also about this time that a lot of brand new Turkish trucks, mainly Volvos started to appear and a lot of new Turkish transport companies arrived on the scene . I can remember seeing a few Turkish trucks leaving Kapicule EMPTY heading into Bulgaria so who knows where they were going to load but wherever it was no doubt they were being paid in hard currency.
Getting back to 1980, I think that Iran and Iraq were at war with each other and The West were backing the Iraqi’s. Millions of dollars worth of equipment were being sent down to Iraq and the U.K. was certainly transporting a lot of it. Not only brand new equipment like Bailey Bridges and used plant machinery but West Germany was also sending used cars.
Who can remember The Zoll Platers or The Zoomies overtaking you ( usually somewhere when it wasn’t safe ) you saw them in what looked like hundreds at a time, although I don’t think that they used the truck lanes at the borders.
Kapic was certainly cleaned up a bit over the years but I can never remember taking less than six hours to get through. In 1980 the lorry park in winter, which resembled The Somme with it’s mud filled craters and trucks everywhere, as far as I can remember didn’t have any toilet facilities. In the summer it was like a dust bowl and after a bit of rain became a breeding ground for Mozzies. The buildings were made from Breeze Block and I seem to remember that round about 1985 a slightly larger customs hall was built.
I know that I shouldn’t compare like for like but when you think how much money was spent on Dover Eastern Docks from 1980 to 1987 and the changes that took place and how much was spent on improving Kapicule, then to me very little was spent on the place. Ipsala in my opinion was always a much better border and was handy if you were going down to Izmir or The Aegean Coast.
Three days going in and getting out of Kapic I think was my longest time although I did have to wait for an abnormal load permit to arrive from Ankara and there were no fax machines in those days. I am sure that I was not the only driver to ever arrive in Dover on a Friday night to be told “there is nothing we can do driver until nine o’clock on Monday morning”. I bet that there must be at least a couple of drivers on here who has also had a “Dodgy” from Dover.

Regards Steve.

Talking of Dover, Steve, I can recall several occasions waiting to clear customs in the 80’s. Having a “problem” and having to wait 3 days before it got sorted out never bothered me. Having experienced the delays at borders on the m/e runs, to have to wait around at Dover was a breeze. I saw many a driver doing his nut because of a delay and i suppose my laid back attitude didn’t help the situation when they would relate their anger at being held up. I would say “whilst I’m here, I’m nowhere else”. Still, I must admit that I was not married at the time and it didn’t matter if I got home or not. I was quite happy to go for a drink in one of the pubs just outside the docks at Dover as my own local.

All that racing about, never my scene and the best of luck to all those guys that could hold their hands up to doing trips to Bahgdad etc. in record times. They can have all the glory! :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

I remember one little incident when I was transiting Hungary. There was me and another Brit lorry in convoy when we got overtaken by a police car which then pulled us in. The two coppers got out and saw the GB stickers. The one got this book out and opened it up to the page that was written in english. He gave me the book and beckoned for me to read it. It began with something like “The Peoples Republic of…blah, blah and went on to say that we were caught speeding and that we were to be fined so many forint”. It was only small money and I went to get the money out of my cab. I had my girlfriend with me and she produced her camera wanting to take a photo of us getting fined. I shook my head at her but the copper nodded OK. So she took a picture of me handing over the money. After it was all done we got back in the trucks and drove off with us waving to the police and them waving back. It was the nicest ‘nick’ that I’ve ever experienced.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the photo as it was taken with her camera. By the way, although we did get married, we got divorced in 1981. She must have quite a few good photos of our times on the middle east runs. Shame I can’t get hold of them. :frowning:

Great story,s by the way rondavies,i have tried to contact Jim Hayley this week to tell him about this site im sure it would bring a smile to his face cause i know he enjoyed all the scullduggery back then.After Jim left simons Paul Miclelef started in the office do any of you remember him?

boyzee, did you ever manage to contact Jim Hayley to tell him about this site? :question: :question:

rondavies:
Great story,s by the way rondavies,i have tried to contact Jim Hayley this week to tell him about this site im sure it would bring a smile to his face cause i know he enjoyed all the scullduggery back then.After Jim left simons Paul Miclelef started in the office do any of you remember him?

boyzee, did you ever manage to contact Jim Hayley to tell him about this site? :question: :question:

Unfortunately not yet been able to contact Jim as ive been out of work for a few months and to be honest i hav,nt been on here lately.I was with Paul Miclelefs brother in law last week(Terry Creasey sgh) and i know he still keeps in touch with Jim so i will sort it.I know Jim has an office in river road barking his daughters work for him,I,ll try to get in touch soon.

boyzee:

rondavies:
Great story,s by the way rondavies,i have tried to contact Jim Hayley this week to tell him about this site im sure it would bring a smile to his face cause i know he enjoyed all the scullduggery back then.After Jim left simons Paul Miclelef started in the office do any of you remember him?

boyzee, did you ever manage to contact Jim Hayley to tell him about this site? :question: :question:

Unfortunately not yet been able to contact Jim as ive been out of work for a few months and to be honest i hav,nt been on here lately.I was with Paul Miclelefs brother in law last week(Terry Creasey sgh) and i know he still keeps in touch with Jim so i will sort it.I know Jim has an office in river road barking his daughters work for him,I,ll try to get in touch soon.

Would Paul Miclelef have been the transport manager at the new yard in Mare Street? If it was, he dropped me right in it when I went back to see Jeffrey about a job again in early '81. When I was “invited” into the office by the police who had just raided the premises, (bad timing by me) they asked me if I knew who the guvnor was. I replied that I didn’t but the t.m. (whoever it was) told the police that I had come in earlier in the day and that I had worked for Jeffrey before and was here to see about coming back to the firm. Yeah, thanks a bunch!! :imp: Copper says to me “tell porkies, do we?” and they bundled me into a corner of the office saying that they would get round to dealing with me later.

Whilst I think of it, I would like to include a couple of photos on this thread that I’ve posted on other threads on this site of one of Simon’s F89 wagon & drags. Namely, HMM 121 N. I think they deserve to be added to the actual Simon Int. site :slight_smile:

rondavies:
When I was “invited” into the office by the police who had just raided the premises, (bad timing by me) they asked me if I knew who the guvnor was.

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Ron,
I was in the Stoke yard when we were raided by police and customs.
We had half moved up to the new yard in Biddulph and both yards were raided simulataniously.
I was doing the servicing and repair of the trucks at the time from this end and had quite a lot of pointed questions to field,especially about the old trailer chassis that had been stripped down!

I flew out to Greece on one ocassion and was picked up at Athens airport by Johnny Hunt,and we shared the driving of the ex Radclive Volvo roadtrain up to Gevgelia where the F89 roadtrain had been dumped in customs with a knackered trailer wheel bearing.(I went out with a new set of wheel bearings in my cabin luggage!).
We got the roadtrain into Greece and got a local garage do the wheel bearing job as the hub was well knackered and required welding up.
While this was being done,John and I spent a couple of days in a hotel in Thessalonika.
After collecting the repaired truck,I picked up a load of paper in Austria on my way home,but had my papers confiscated by the German police because they spotted that the draw bar had been bent, probably by the driver that had dumped the rig in the first place.
I was weekended in Salzburg while a garage fabricated a new drawbar,then I was able to collect my paperwork and get on my way.

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In about 1972 before you enterd iran at barzagan you was pulled up by a gang of turk men we called the head man the gorila,tall fat and ugly,he demanded 100 lira and said it was for diesel tax,and you had to pay it,I wonder if that is the place you ment Ron.Also that f89 roadtrain in the picture I think was at hopetown st,driven by the maltese bloke who did pakistan with it,we loaded out of afganistan with cotton for the yorkshire cotton mills.In 1970 at zahko there was no queues,when you picked up the soldier over the bridge you came to a sharpe right hand bend you kept full throttle as your 1st trailer axle left the road,then bumed on to the road,and then the 2nd axle done the same,this broke the springs,on the way back it done the same,you could see at the bottom of the mountain the lorrys that did not make it.But going back in 1974 they had made a crossing,missing out the sharpe bend.On my last trip from mozul to zahko,all the villages were flattend,and nobody was at the iraqi side of the border,so I went straight over the bridge,the turk customs told me to go back to mozul to get a photo,as I forgot to get one fxxxk that so I paid some money,he dug out my old one and I was on my way.Terry

keating@makita:
In about 1972 before you enterd iran at barzagan you was pulled up by a gang of turk men we called the head man the gorila,tall fat and ugly,he demanded 100 lira and said it was for diesel tax,and you had to pay it,I wonder if that is the place you ment Ron.Also that f89 roadtrain in the picture I think was at hopetown st,driven by the maltese bloke who did pakistan with it,we loaded out of afganistan with cotton for the yorkshire cotton mills.In 1970 at zahko there was no queues,when you picked up the soldier over the bridge you came to a sharpe right hand bend you kept full throttle as your 1st trailer axle left the road,then bumed on to the road,and then the 2nd axle done the same,this broke the springs,on the way back it done the same,you could see at the bottom of the mountain the lorrys that did not make it.But going back in 1974 they had made a crossing,missing out the sharpe bend.On my last trip from mozul to zahko,all the villages were flattend,and nobody was at the iraqi side of the border,so I went straight over the bridge,the turk customs told me to go back to mozul to get a photo,as I forgot to get one fxxxk that so I paid some money,he dug out my old one and I was on my way.Terry

No Terry, it wasn’t Bazargan that I was thinking of. It was at Civlegozu at the Syrian border that ‘bestbooties’ confirmed in an earlier posting.

If I recall there were two F89 roadtrains on the fleet when we operated out of Hopetown Street. I know one was driven by a Turk Cypriot when I joined in 75. I remember his name as Orhan. Actually there were two Turks drivers on the firm at that time but I can’t remember the other one’s name.

Interesting to learn that you were driving to Afghan and Pakistan for Simons in the early 70’s. I was always under the impression that they never went that far east until much later i.e. 1980/81 when the “effluent” hit the fan!!! :laughing: :laughing:
rgds Ron

On my last trip for Simons (late '76) my Transcon broke down. It was my fault really and I paid the price! I knew it was to be my last trip as I had arranged to join Annie, my girlfriend in Sweden to live there. I didn’t have my heart in the trip which was one to Baghdad. I raced down there, tipped and was hoping to run back empty to Austria and get a load there for the UK but it wasn’t to be as I received instructions to re-load hazel nuts from Giresun in northern Turkey…so I wasn’t too pleased having to go out of my way to get my backload. Still, I gave it big licks, got the load on and set off for home.

I got to the Bulgy border and I realised that as it was approaching winter time I should really get some anti-freeze into the system. I’d been meaning to do so but hadn’t. I tried to buy some vouchers for anti-freeze (bloomin’ vouchers for everything!) but they didn’t have any for antifreeze so I thought, sod it, I’ll just have to carry on and the weather’s not too bad anyway. I continued on and eventually, absolutely knackered, pulled over into a layby in the hills before Sofia and got my head down.

Sod’s law was that there was a big change in the weather overnight with winter setting right in and when I got up the following morning it was cold and icy and I noticed that the accelerator pedal didn’t work. A common fault in cold weather on right hand drive Transcons which had a cable connection. I eventually got it partially working and pulled out of the layby when there was a blooming big bang. Turned out that the cast iron end plate of the oil cooler had blown a hole in it due to some ice that was there and the pressure just blew it away…oil and water ■■■■■■■ out!

I was stuck in Bulgaria for over two weeks in all. The nearest State transport yard didn’t seem very interested in helping me. Maybe because of the fact that I had an American engine. Their wagons on international work seemed to be all Volvos & Mercs at the time. Having to leave the lorry on the side of the road, I got a train into Sofia where I was able to phone the office to get them to send me a new end plate. When I got back to the vehicle the cab had been broken into, side window smashed and my toolbox was amongst the things that had been stolen. Things seemed to be going from bad to worse. Now I didn’t have any tools to fix the problem! I did manage to get some help from one mechanic from the transport yard who it seemed had taken pity on me and with his blowtorch we thawed the radiator and drained all the water out. He said that it was dangerous for me to remain where I was and said that I should try to get the the vehicle down to the next village which was just a kilometer away. I managed to drive down to the village and park in the square but in doing so the rest of the engine oil was pumped out of the cooler by the time I got there.

When I returned to Sofia to collect the end plate from the airport I was shocked to find that they had sent a new oil cooler MINUS an end plate! On informing the office of their error I was told that there was a lorry already on it’s way out and that the driver was a good mechanic and had been instructed to make sure that I was up and running before he continued on his way. I was also informed that there was another lorry homeward bound that had a trailer stripped down and was piggy-backing another stripped down trailer and he was to swap over with my loaded trailer. (Jeffrey getting worried about his load of nuts!) A good example of why not to have unit and trailer under “T.I.R.” as one… which I never did, so no problem there. He arrived after about a week. We did the swap and he was on his way.

Luckily, I still had the broken piece of end plate and it fitted the hole in the remaining plate like a glove so when I was joined by the driver/mechanic (which raised my spirits tremendously as I was getting very low by this point. Most of my clothes had been stolen. I was cold, not much food left and the locals completely ignored me…most probably they had been instructed to avoid any contact with me. Though there was one local who I caught syphoning diesel out of my tank who’s arse I kicked. Nicking diesel from a Simon’s lorry must have been a first. It was us that had a bad reputation for the ’ plastic pipe agency card’) we went to the state transport yard and got the broken off piece welded back into place. Not that easy welding cast iron but they did a good job and to cut this long story a little shorter, I eventually got going again and it held out all the way home.

During all this my transit visa had run out so I had the added problem of having to get an extension on my visa to sort out. I did manage to speak with the British Embassy in Sofia. They said that they were aware of my situation as they had been notified by the Bulgarian authorities. “And?” I asked. “And what? There’s nothing we can do”. Just the sort of response one needs when one is in trouble in a foreign country, eh? I have since realised that helping fellow citizens from their own country is way down the list of priorities for an Embassy.

As I said, it was fundamentally a problem I caused myself and I’m not proud of it. It certainly taught me the importance of anti-freeze! Not that it’s needed where I live now but what was I thinking of at the time? I must have taken my finger off the pulse, so to speak, all because of that powerful thing called “love”. :unamused:

A great story there Ron,thanks for posting it.I think most drivers would have given up and left the truck and got home somehow but you stuck it out.Most of the younger drivers today get fed up if they have to wait a few hours to tip or load let alone waiting days and weeks like you had to.

rondavies:
On my last trip for Simons (late '76) my Transcon broke down. It was my fault really and I paid the price! I knew it was to be my last trip as I had arranged to join Annie, my girlfriend in Sweden to live there. I didn’t have my heart in the trip which was one to Baghdad. I raced down there, tipped and was hoping to run back empty to Austria and get a load there for the UK but it wasn’t to be as I received instructions to re-load hazel nuts from Giresun in northern Turkey…so I wasn’t too pleased having to go out of my way to get my backload. Still, I gave it big licks, got the load on and set off for home.

I got to the Bulgy border and I realised that as it was approaching winter time I should really get some anti-freeze into the system. I’d been meaning to do so but hadn’t. I tried to buy some vouchers for anti-freeze (bloomin’ vouchers for everything!) but they didn’t have any for antifreeze so I thought, sod it, I’ll just have to carry on and the weather’s not too bad anyway. I continued on and eventually, absolutely knackered, pulled over into a layby in the hills before Sofia and got my head down.

Sod’s law was that there was a big change in the weather overnight with winter setting right in and when I got up the following morning it was cold and icy and I noticed that the accelerator pedal didn’t work. A common fault in cold weather on right hand drive Transcons which had a cable connection. I eventually got it partially working and pulled out of the layby when there was a blooming big bang. Turned out that the cast iron end plate of the oil cooler had blown a hole in it due to some ice that was there and the pressure just blew it away…oil and water ■■■■■■■ out!

I was stuck in Bulgaria for over two weeks in all. The nearest State transport yard didn’t seem very interested in helping me. Maybe because of the fact that I had an American engine. Their wagons on international work seemed to be all Volvos & Mercs at the time. Having to leave the lorry on the side of the road, I got a train into Sofia where I was able to phone the office to get them to send me a new end plate. When I got back to the vehicle the cab had been broken into, side window smashed and my toolbox was amongst the things that had been stolen. Things seemed to be going from bad to worse. Now I didn’t have any tools to fix the problem! I did manage to get some help from one mechanic from the transport yard who it seemed had taken pity on me and with his blowtorch we thawed the radiator and drained all the water out. He said that it was dangerous for me to remain where I was and said that I should try to get the the vehicle down to the next village which was just a kilometer away. I managed to drive down to the village and park in the square but in doing so the rest of the engine oil was pumped out of the cooler by the time I got there.

When I returned to Sofia to collect the end plate from the airport I was shocked to find that they had sent a new oil cooler MINUS an end plate! On informing the office of their error I was told that there was a lorry already on it’s way out and that the driver was a good mechanic and had been instructed to make sure that I was up and running before he continued on his way. I was also informed that there was another lorry homeward bound that had a trailer stripped down and was piggy-backing another stripped down trailer and he was to swap over with my loaded trailer. (Jeffrey getting worried about his load of nuts!) A good example of why not to have unit and trailer under “T.I.R.” as one… which I never did, so no problem there. He arrived after about a week. We did the swap and he was on his way.

Luckily, I still had the broken piece of end plate and it fitted the hole in the remaining plate like a glove so when I was joined by the driver/mechanic (which raised my spirits tremendously as I was getting very low by this point. Most of my clothes had been stolen. I was cold, not much food left and the locals completely ignored me…most probably they had been instructed to avoid any contact with me. Though there was one local who I caught syphoning diesel out of my tank who’s arse I kicked. Nicking diesel from a Simon’s lorry must have been a first. It was us that had a bad reputation for the ’ plastic pipe agency card’) we went to the state transport yard and got the broken off piece welded back into place. Not that easy welding cast iron but they did a good job and to cut this long story a little shorter, I eventually got going again and it held out all the way home.

During all this my transit visa had run out so I had the added problem of having to get an extension on my visa to sort out. I did manage to speak with the British Embassy in Sofia. They said that they were aware of my situation as they had been notified by the Bulgarian authorities. “And?” I asked. “And what? There’s nothing we can do”. Just the sort of response one needs when one is in trouble in a foreign country, eh? I have since realised that helping fellow citizens from their own country is way down the list of priorities for an Embassy.

As I said, it was fundamentally a problem I caused myself and I’m not proud of it. It certainly taught me the importance of anti-freeze! Not that it’s needed where I live now but what was I thinking of at the time? I must have taken my finger off the pulse, so to speak, all because of that powerful thing called “love”. :unamused:

Ron, an excellent story and very visual. Bulgaria never was the best of places to break down or park your truck. I once parked on the Ring Road and returned to find the back window knocked in during the winter and loads of stuff missing, the only thing they didn’t find was the Gold Christmas present I had bought for the wife. :slight_smile:

boyzee:
A great story there Ron,thanks for posting it.I think most drivers would have given up and left the truck and got home somehow but you stuck it out.Most of the younger drivers today get fed up if they have to wait a few hours to tip or load let alone waiting days and weeks like you had to.

Thanks “boyzee”. I must say that it didn’t even occur to me to ‘ditch’ the vehicle and even if it had, the thought of being “knee-capped” by Jeff’s boys for doing so was reason enough for dismissing the idea! :slight_smile:

Incidentally, I came across that old Transcon of mine several years later around 1981/82. I had returned to the UK from Sweden early 81 (divorced!) and was driving for a firm called Swallow International (fridge work) based at Penn Street near Amarsham. Their yard was on a small industrial estate and I saw this Transcon pull into the estate and immediately recognised the reg. KME 15P. I went over and had a word with the driver, an old boy who used it for hauling around traction engines and the like on a low loader. It was now maroon in colour. He told me that he had bought it at an auction and had no idea of it’s history so I was glad to be able to inform him that it had started it’s life doing runs to the middle east.

rondavies:
When I travelled to Iraq I would either already have my Iraqi visa from London or I would get it on route from their consulate in Istanbul. In 76, Alvin and myself were running together as we both had loads for Baghdad. When we went to the Iraqi Consulate this time, they said that they weren’t issuing them from that office any longer. Bloomin’ heck!! What do we do now? Our truck registration numbers were in our passports so we couldn’t return to Belgrade where there was an Iraqi Consulate. We were basically stuffed! Anyway,they eventually said that they would issue us visas if we first got a letter from our consulate requesting them. So, off we went to the British Consulate and having explained the situation to them, they wrote a letter. I have always kept a copy of it as the contents have amused me, what with the diplomatic jargon ([zb]) and our two full names. We sound like a right couple of nancy boys!!!
Here it is for your amusement

Somehow the letter has got changed for a copy of an old passport of mine. Here is the letter that should go with the above text.

I remember taking a trailer from hopetown street to deliver to cadbury,s down near chippingham for Jeff.The trailer was a spread axle with a load of nuts on it,to say it was heavy was an understatement.When i got to chippingham there was another simon driver with an F89 also waiting to tip.We got chatting an while looking round my trailer i noticed on the nearside rear axle the spring was broken in half and only the front part of the spring was conected.There was a big block of wood jammed between the chassis and the axle,it looked worrying to me but the other driver said this was a common thing and was perfectly safe! I had a mate buy a crashed marathon years ago an he thought it was a bargain,when i went to see it in his garage in Harwell i noticed the S I logo on the door an told my mate it was an ex middle east motor.On emptying the air filter it was filled with sand!The truck was repaired and converted from LHD to RHD and used by Berkshire Vale Transport.When it was on Simon,s it had crashed of the side of a mountain.

boyzee:
I remember taking a trailer from hopetown street to deliver to cadbury,s down near chippingham for Jeff.The trailer was a spread axle with a load of nuts on it,to say it was heavy was an understatement.When i got to chippingham there was another simon driver with an F89 also waiting to tip.We got chatting an while looking round my trailer i noticed on the nearside rear axle the spring was broken in half and only the front part of the spring was conected.There was a big block of wood jammed between the chassis and the axle,it looked worrying to me but the other driver said this was a common thing and was perfectly safe! I had a mate buy a crashed marathon years ago an he thought it was a bargain,when i went to see it in his garage in Harwell i noticed the S I logo on the door an told my mate it was an ex middle east motor.On emptying the air filter it was filled with sand!The truck was repaired and converted from LHD to RHD and used by Berkshire Vale Transport.When it was on Simon,s it had crashed of the side of a mountain.

Ah yes!! The old fashioned 20 ton :wink: :wink: Jeff used to pay us an extra £10 a ton (over 20 ton)on our trip money on the outbound load. He would normally manage to get three loads onto two trailers. I recall one time when I was in the yard waiting to ship out and my trailer was being “topped up” after Jeff came out of the office shouting “well fill it up then!!”

hi guys.just re reading the thread.looking at the pictures which ron put up.the one of my old road train[hmm 121n] reminded my of jeffs economics.fill it up,the stick a bit more on top.as my róad train was a three axle rigid with a three axle drawbar it was ideally suited to take a ‘‘little bit extra’’.the drawbar was fitted with a set of trailer legs.so could be dropped and delivered as a 20’trailer.this always happened with return load of nuts fron ordu or giresun for cadburys in birmingham.we would arrive in dover,drop the trailer and someone with a tractor unit would take it to tip.then they would come back to dover and i would couple the trailer back up,tranship half of the load from the rigid,then take the whole roadtrain back to birmingham with the ‘‘rest of the load’’. :blush: .but when all said and done it was easier to 'fix things’in those days with a bit of juggling around.no one got hurt and everyone gained.the only thing health and safety were concerned with was whether you got the runs from eating too many hazelnuts.mike sargent.
p.s. ron.we had the first flakes of snow today.mike