Can anyone tell me anything about this firm, where abouts in Manchester were they from etc.
It looks as if it’s an ex N.C.B. body and the photo is from 1962 near Belle Vue.
I’d forgotten this one from Stalybridge, was their livery Maroon or Green ?
Thanks to Stanfield for searching out this old Allinson’s Stone, LAD Reiver from the early 60’s.
Stanfield:
Hi Tipit
Just seeing if we can keep this thread going a little longer.Do you or anyone else remember a company running around Manchester in th 60s called PETER ANDREWS coke & coal contractors? if I remember right they ran Thames Trader tippers in a similar livery as E F Beattie,in fact they may well have been taken over at somtime by Beattie although I dont know if this is right or not your dad may remember Paul.
John
Hiya John,
Not 100% certain but I think Peter Andrews were the same colour as Beatties because they bought them off Beatties
Bet Paul knows this location
Two of Jacksons Brick
Don’t know where the first one came from
Ray
Is it Bennett Street at Ardwick near EF Beaties Yard.Who’s is the truck parked behind the fencing ?
Hiya Ray, looking down Matthews St from Bennett Street, and here is how it looks today from that corner.
What was that firm where the wagons parked ? (It’s G.M. Recovery services now.)
maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&sourc … .9579&z=15
Is this a Bedford …
Hiya Paul,
the building on the right was originally E & F Beatties garage. The tipper parked behind the fence was one of theirs. It seemed to be parked there for quite some time and it was one of several that were painted yellow like the Beatwaste Lorries. It was either a Dennis Pax or a Vulcan.
The Jackson tipper I would also say Bedford. Looks like it could be 1930s or 40s.
The Google pic is great, could have been taken from the same spot although nearly 50 years apart. Bet it wasn’t taken with a Kodak Brownie 
Ray
Thanks Ray,
I thought it was just a light coloured box van parked behind the fence … now you’ve pointed it out I can make out it’s a tipper with greedy boards on !
So that’s one of Beatties old wagons.
Cheers Paul.
TIPIT:
Just come across this photo of one of Joseph Hoyles, revealing Johnson’s Wire as it’s last owner.
Hiya this was a load out of Johnson and Nephew Grey Mare Lane we did quite alot in 1977 78 79
I think a Chap called Webb had transport in J and N he sold his Fleet to various owners with so much work. he became transport manager/clerk
at J and N and gave work to the people he’d sold trucks to.Recently he operated as Strongserve in the potteries area.
John
Hiya 3300John, what type of works did those coils get delivered too ? As I remember seeing alot of loads like that delivered too “Ryland’s Nails” at Warrington, when I would collect these boxes of nails from there to take away to rustproof.
3300John:
TIPIT:
Just come across this photo of one of Joseph Hoyles, revealing Johnson’s Wire as it’s last owner.
Hiya this was a load out of Johnson and Nephew Grey Mare Lane we did quite alot in 1977 78 79
I think a Chap called Webb had transport in J and N he sold his Fleet to various owners with so much work. he became transport manager/clerk
at J and N and gave work to the people he’d sold trucks to.Recently he operated as Strongserve in the potteries area.
John
An abject lesson in how “not” rope and sheet a load,especially paper!!
Take it easy
David 
One to bump this thread on a bit found by Stanfield, does anyone know when this old Clayton firm went on till ?
OVLOV … Do you recognize the background ?
3300John, what type of works did those coils get delivered too ? As I remember seeing alot of loads like that delivered too “Ryland’s Nails” at Warrington, when I would collect these boxes of nails from there to take away to rustproof.
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Hiya tipit…sorry i did’nt reply i missed the thread…the coils of wire was delivered to factorys that made reinforcing mesh for concrete
as you said nails/ sheep fencing/chicken wire/but the best i ever did was to a small factory with 22 tons of wire coils to make paperclips
and staples. they draw the 12mm wire through a series of rollers that stretch the wire thinner and thinner at the same time put a coating
on till a paper clip thickness is reached…i wounder how many paper clips there are in 22 tons…johnson and nephew made chain link fencing
in Manchester and if you got a load of the s…t you would cringe.it was hanball unload rolling 2/3 rolls onto forks but the top and bottom of
the roll had turnovers which snagged on other rolls … you would unhook one snag and another would get snagged and so on it was a nightmare.
I bet that will bring back memories for somone. after a while they put a plastic type hession sack over the ends to make things easier
and guess what i never did a load of that easier stuff… its all long gone the velodrome is on that site now.
you see on the Foden joseph hoyle is painted over johnsons and nephew. hoyle took over the transport and changed the colour from
a bronze to maroon and grey…that foden looks familier maybe ex hulland products by the reg
John
3300John:
3300John, what type of works did those coils get delivered too ? As I remember seeing alot of loads like that delivered too “Ryland’s Nails” at Warrington, when I would collect these boxes of nails from there to take away to rustproof.
Hiya tipit…sorry i did’nt reply i missed the thread…the coils of wire was delivered to factorys that made reinforcing mesh for concrete
as you said nails/ sheep fencing/chicken wire/but the best i ever did was to a small factory with 22 tons of wire coils to make paperclips
and staples. they draw the 12mm wire through a series of rollers that stretch the wire thinner and thinner at the same time put a coating
on till a paper clip thickness is reached…i wounder how many paper clips there are in 22 tons…johnson and nephew made chain link fencing
in Manchester and if you got a load of the s…t you would cringe.it was hanball unload rolling 2/3 rolls onto forks but the top and bottom of
the roll had turnovers which snagged on other rolls … you would unhook one snag and another would get snagged and so on it was a nightmare.
I bet that will bring back memories for somone. after a while they put a plastic type hession sack over the ends to make things easier
and guess what i never did a load of that easier stuff… its all long gone the velodrome is on that site now.
you see on the Foden joseph hoyle is painted over johnsons and nephew. hoyle took over the transport and changed the colour from
a bronze to maroon and grey…that foden looks familier maybe ex hulland products by the reg
Hi,
When working nights for Smith of Maddiston,I used to run trailers to and from Cheetham Hill Depot,North Street with loads of coiled wire,which then went up to Scotland or St Albans,on a cold winters night,that loading bay was as warm as toast with the furnaces burning,loaded many trailers alongside Frank Hoyles motors.
Good days.
Rgds,
David
John
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Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Hiya chris how are you mate thanks for the e mail photo’s…ive done a load or two out of ambergate works… but what i was going to say after
the wire works closed for quite a while after(2/5years) maybe more there was a Foden ridgid standing under a canopy .Then it disapeared
perhaps 10 years ago.I think the chap who bought the Ambergate works was Phillip ■■ Gleason the chap who breaks trucks by the A 38. Flatman
or windrush will know more about it and fill in the blanks.
John
3300John:
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.Hiya chris how are you mate thanks for the e mail photo’s…ive done a load or two out of ambergate works… but what i was going to say after
the wire works closed for quite a while after(2/5years) maybe more there was a Foden ridgid standing under a canopy .Then it disapeared
perhaps 10 years ago.I think the chap who bought the Ambergate works was Phillip ■■ Gleason the chap who breaks trucks by the A 38. Flatman
or windrush will know more about it and fill in the blanks.
John
Eyup John,fine thanks and you? I did have a photo somewhere of a RJN motor being sheeted up at Ambergate but it’s gone missing in my filing system I thought that RJN handed all their work over to Hoyles but I do remember seeing the green RJN wagons running about in the 60s and 70s,very often through Bakewell.I remember the wireworks in Warrington were called Rylands or Rylands Whitecross and they weren’t far out of the town centre.I’m sure there was another wire firm in Warrington but can’t recall who they were.
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.
Hoyle’s did indeed work out of the old wire works at Ambergate Chris, their depot though was at Darley Dale in the old Toft Brothers and Tomlinson garage. Went for a fitting job there a few years ago when they ran Foden eight leggers but didn’t have a class one license so didn’t get it. They were changing over to Atki Borderer artics, hence the need for a class one.
Pete.
3300John:
Chris Webb:
Richard Johnson and Nephew had a wire works at Ambergate,Derbys as well and I’m sure Hoyles worked out of there.Maybe the Foden with the Derbys reg was taken over by Hoyles at Ambergate - only a guess.Hiya chris how are you mate thanks for the e mail photo’s…ive done a load or two out of ambergate works… but what i was going to say after
the wire works closed for quite a while after(2/5years) maybe more there was a Foden ridgid standing under a canopy .Then it disapeared
perhaps 10 years ago.I think the chap who bought the Ambergate works was Phillip ■■ Gleason the chap who breaks trucks by the A 38. Flatman
or windrush will know more about it and fill in the blanks.
John
I think you mean Roger Geeson, R D Geeson (Derby) Ltd their yard is on Asher Lane Ripley, you can see it off the A38 he was the money behind Via Gellia Transport and pulled the plug on it when they got into a mess, apparently they were undercutting everybody and working for next to nowt, he runs artic tippers of his own now out of his yard at Ripley in the same colour as VGT. I don’t know if he bought the old wire works but I think The Litchfield Group ( L B Plastics) from Nether Heage nr Ambergate bought it some years ago, or at least part of it, or if Roger Geeson owned it maybe they rented it, as I used to see their lorries in there before I finished at Browns.
It tells you a bit about it on this site
derelictplaces.co.uk/main/sh … php?t=5128
I 've never come accross any other photos of their lorries, but did the Manchester wagons have their Philips Park address on them.
Living fairly close to the Manchester factory in the mid 60’s I can remember also seeing alot of Dodge and Bedford TK rigids belonging to Matlock or Turners Transport heading back loaded with their wire.