Phil, try this company
www.rushgreenmotors.com and also check the breakers that advertise
in commercial motor,and truck trader,also ebay.
I have to say you have got a sense of humour doing up a 401 !
but all the best in your restoration.
Phil, try this company
www.rushgreenmotors.com and also check the breakers that advertise
in commercial motor,and truck trader,also ebay.
I have to say you have got a sense of humour doing up a 401 !
but all the best in your restoration.
and remember to take photoâs of all stages of the restoration operationâŚstarting right now please
well, the 401 could be considered a modern classic and parts should still be readily available.
Get Classic & Vintage Commercials magazine. There are plenty of adverts in it and you could also put your own classified advert in to try and find any parts you are after.
I have tried to add some pics of the 401 in its as found condtion.
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I have located a new bumper and origional indicators.
I didânt realise that SA were held in such low esteem - I think itâs quite a tidy truck and I love the Rolls engine.
I may also be madâŚ
It looks in good nick, should give you an easy restoration
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Hi philt,is the S/A 401 ex BSC Shotton?
Hi Chris,
Yes , it is the last survivor of the road fleet - used as an internal shunter since mid nineties.I work at Shotton (in engineering not transport) and just couldânt let it go to the scrap. Do you you have a Shotton connection?
Phil.
I would be sorely tempted to preserve it as it is rather than go for a repaint, if itâs reasonably possible.
Shiny trucks are two a penny, well-kept ones with the correct patina of age and use look so much better IMHO.
Looks like a tidy motor, seen (and driven) much worse than that out on the road never mind in the yard!
philt:
Hi Chris,Yes , it is the last survivor of the road fleet - used as an internal shunter since mid nineties.I work at Shotton (in engineering not transport) and just couldânt let it go to the scrap. Do you you have a Shotton connection?
Phil.
A long time ago Phil.I was on tankers in the 60s and 70s and used to run out of John Summers with crude benzene from the coke ovens for refining at Scunthorpe and Llanwern.The regular loader was a great feller but I canât remember his name it was that long ago.
I recall it was a bloody long way to the weighbridge.We had to weigh in,load,weigh off and go back to the lab for the sample to be tested and gallonage worked out.If you were over 32 tons gross there was no way theyâd let you out so you had to mess about getting a few gallons off and re-weighing.
I remember some of the trailers in Summers and BSC livery were tri-axles but short wheelbase,probably about 30 ft and I believe they were on contract to BSC and I canât remember the haulier,but I recall they used Leyland Beavers early on when I first started going in there about 1968.
Somebody on here will put me right Iâm sure.
All the best with the restoration.Never drove a 401 but I had an âSâ plated 400 S/A for a few months around 1979/80 with the 240 Gardner and Fuller box and thought it was ok.Better than the Scania 81s we had anyroad.
Chris.
Try contacting the haulier Ernest Thorpe & Sons, Thurgoland, near Sheffield in South Yorkshire tel 01142882152. They were a big Atki/Seddon Atki operator, now running DAFs pulling steel for BSC and whatever it is called now. Their yard was full of old cabs, units etc and I think they still have a 401 as wrecker.
Good luck with your restoration.
hi. do a search on here for crowfield rally and look at the 401 on there it works everyday still. mind its got a 14 ltr â â â â â â â in it not a roller. any parts you need cab wise or chassis im sure i can help. rgds brian
That brings back memories. I have sat for many, many, many hours in the East, and the West, and SSW, and New Complex.
Chris isnât quite right, all the fleet which ran out of there in Summers or BSC colours, was their own. Shotton was one of the few, and certainly the last BS works to run its own fleet. Oh and if they wouldnât let you out over Chris you obviously handnât been introduced to âDenisâs Donation.â Who Denis was nobody seemed to know.
The 401 should be in good order, they used to maintain them regardless of cost, and keeping those Rollers running certainly involved some cost. I wonder has it got the extra leaves on the helper springs which some had so that they could run them internally at 50 tonnes.
I used to run France regular with one of those baby`s, and it was a day cab. Those were the days.
acd1202:
That brings back memories. I have sat for many, many, many hours in the East, and the West, and SSW, and New Complex.Chris isnât quite right, all the fleet which ran out of there in Summers or BSC colours, was their own. Shotton was one of the few, and certainly the last BS works to run its own fleet. Oh and if they wouldnât let you out over Chris you obviously handnât been introduced to âDenisâs Donation.â Who Denis was nobody seemed to know.
The 401 should be in good order, they used to maintain them regardless of cost, and keeping those Rollers running certainly involved some cost. I wonder has it got the extra leaves on the helper springs which some had so that they could run them internally at 50 tonnes.
Thanks for that acd1202,I was always under the impression they were contractors in BSC livery - somebody told me years ago.
I presume âDenisâs Donationâ was a backhander to let you out over weight then?Depending on how much the âdonationâ was he would have been handy to know.
Is there owt left on that site now do you know?
Still going strong as far as I know.
Obviously the blast furnaces went years ago, the uncoated coil comes up from Port Talbot by train, then Shotton, galv, or colourcoat it.
The transport all changed in the middle 90s, and the small hauliers they had always used dissappeared. Not surprising really, people who say steel rates are bad, obviously never worked out of there in the good old days. You had to spend on equipment, minimum well sizes, rubber lining, slidaflex trailers all appeared in Shotton first, and everything was on a load and deliver basis, in fact most of us didnât run spare trailers, no point. âThat was loaded 4 hours ago why havnât you delivered it yet?â type of conversation. They paid though, in fact getting rid of their own fleet was the beginning of the end for their contractors as well; they were so inefficient it kept the rates high for the rest.
I remember the Shotton 401s running together in & out of Seaforth in the late eighties/early nineties - that motor will undoubtedly be one of them.
They used to come clattering down the Dock Road into the Gladstone Dock entrance with their short tri-axle trailers loaded with steel. It didnât seem to take them long to tip, as they were soon seen fleeing the scene at great speed in the opposite direction.
acd1202:
Still going strong as far as I know.Obviously the blast furnaces went years ago, the uncoated coil comes up from Port Talbot by train, then Shotton, galv, or colourcoat it.
The transport all changed in the middle 90s, and the small hauliers they had always used dissappeared. Not surprising really, people who say steel rates are bad, obviously never worked out of there in the good old days. You had to spend on equipment, minimum well sizes, rubber lining, slidaflex trailers all appeared in Shotton first, and everything was on a load and deliver basis, in fact most of us didnât run spare trailers, no point. âThat was loaded 4 hours ago why havnât you delivered it yet?â type of conversation. They paid though, in fact getting rid of their own fleet was the beginning of the end for their contractors as well; they were so inefficient it kept the rates high for the rest.
Well I thought Shotton would have finished years ago.I am trying to think of some of the regular hauliers who went in there-I think C.W.Sproston may have been one of them but itâs 30 years since I was in there.What do they call the company now and is everything moved by rail?
Iâm interested because it was one of the better places to load crude benzene,as long as you werenât overweight of course(and couldnât find Denis)
The US Air force had some at RAF Fairford, dont know if they still have them there, i went to pick one up about 8 years ago it had no tacho and only 22k on the clock. The guy who was running the MT section was a Brit called Alex, he showed me two crates in the store that contained brand new RR eagles, he said if the Yanks ever got an engine problem they just droped a new one in.
Ive got a photo of it somewhere if i can find it, another thing was that there was no dog clip on the fifth wheel, the yanks dont use them apparently.
Chris Webb:
Well I thought Shotton would have finished years ago.I am trying to think of some of the regular hauliers who went in there-I think C.W.Sproston may have been one of them but itâs 30 years since I was in there.What do they call the company now and is everything moved by rail?
Iâm interested because it was one of the better places to load crude benzene,as long as you werenât overweight of course(and couldnât find Denis)![]()
I believe Jeff (Sproston) did work out of Shotton. Up until quite recently he was moving coils out of South Wales - the picture of his own 401 at the CCMS at Gaydon was taken while loaded with a coil on his way home.