Securing loads

war1974:
its all well and good quoting mathematical forces shep, and I am really only playing devils advocate here. the majority of headboards if you hammer the brakes on and have a palletised load it wont smash the headboard or come out, its all well and good saying these curtains will hold x these y these z, when at the end of the day almost all curtains are held on by a bit of cheap metal on a rail ( yes they no doubt use stronger materials for these xl types) but if you have to stop in a straight line most will hold the load.

the trouble is most of the shot loads we see are not people stopping in a straight line so it then renders the whole look at this tech pointless, and again I really do feel a lot is down to the driver and the current we can have any accidents society! if you have a load with straps on your still only strapping about 10% of the pallet.

I agree with most of what you say, especially about not being in a straight line stop but I am a firm believer that if we have the facts (known scientific facts) regarding the tested strength of items and the forces being generated and the theory of how the science/physics works we can then make educated calculations/decisions rather than guessing.

The mathematical forces I have used are proven. They are facts produced by scientific experiment and trial. A driver looking at a headboard and his load and thinking “That should hold it” but without the theory behind it means he is potentially guessing.

In the past I have had loads move/shift and a couple of disasters. At the time I never really knew WHY those things had gone wrong and usually simply put it down to something failed or was faulty or I didn’t tighten the straps enough. Thanks to now knowing the theory and understanding the physics I understand why those loads moved etc - it was because I was guessing at how to secure the load and I now know where I went wrong. My guesses were based on my understanding and knowledge at that time - which was clearly lacking!

Unfortunately two people can stand and look at a headboard (strap, curtain etc) and both come up with completely different answers as to its strength and possibly hugely different answers. Today I do an emergency stop and the headboard holds it. I now ‘know’ all headboards will hold the load - thsat seems to be what ‘experience’ means. However tomorrow the trailer I have is of a lesser standard - I can’t see that it is 1/2 inch ply instead of 1 inch and today I slam the brakes on resulting in the load over stressing the headboard - a small fracture appears in some of the internal plys but this isn’t visible on the outside surface of the headboard. I think my load stayed in again - phew. A week later, another driver brakes at a roundabout and the headboard finally lets go because it was weakened. He’s OK - just embarrassed, gets sacked etc etc.

We could go on for days. We all make our decisions based on our knowledge and experience. I prefer to throw a few facts in. Facts based on scientific trial and experiment. Saves me doing the experiments out there on the roads :smiley:

I too enjoy playing devils advocate … my favourite past time :wink:

Its up to the driver…and its up to Vosa…each vosa act differently, some will enforce the law and others wont…so my advice is as most have already said, if it needs to be strapped then do it. I got pulled on the A23 after coming from southern France, i had 22 pallets of china clay, in huge bags and each weighed a quarter of a ton…after vosa did all the checks, they wanted Just a look in the back driver, and then they noticed no straps…they asked me to strap every 2 bags, except the ones behind the pillars, then after doing that, and closing the curtains and buckles, they gave me a £100 fine…i was fuming, but as he said, he doesnt make the laws…he only enforces them…so when i asked him about fragile goods, he said…its not our problem, its up to the forwarders or manufacturers, to pack properly, shrink wrap with thick pvc and then strapped for transport movement…and i agree…manufacturers could do a lot more to help drivers, but there are no organisations to fight our corner…never has been…but i do remember in the old days our bosses would have a word, and often things would get changed…but often not.

gov.uk/government/publicati … d-securing

Found this link after looking at bald bloke’s response. Not really that helpful but it’s the best they seem to put out.

Most of that crap is putting the onus on the driver…one bit say companies should supply loading gantries, ladders etc if a driver has to access the loading bed ( trailer ) how many companies do ■■ they should be made to supply all equipment or face heavy fines… its funny how many european companies i load from, all supply such equipment when a driver has to strap in difficult circumstances… yet the uk is behind…i wonder what we can do if a company doesnt supply…get in touch with vosa or HSE i suppose.

Sorry but gotta laugh about loading gantry and ladders. Use a bit of ya grey matter and common sense get up there and get the job done. The whole of Europe is H&S crazy

taffytrucker:
Sorry but gotta laugh about loading gantry and ladders. Use a bit of ya grey matter and common sense get up there and get the job done. The whole of Europe is H&S crazy

Agree but the public are quick enough to screw every bit of compo when something goes wrong so you can’t blame companies for trying to cover their own arses

After a lot of years on curtainsiders I’m extremely glad I now pull a fridge around, the only time it leaves my unit is when it goes for a service.
A couple of bars across the back takes under 2 mins, job done!