Scania Vabis LV type

Oeps, I skipped BUCA and NETAM, but those made ‘only’ tippers and as a matter of kindness
and the fact that the vehicle was in process a long time, also the cab was made by them.

Netam merged with Fruehauf in Holland, then named Netam-Fruehauf with several locations
throughout Netherlands for assembly and service. BUCA still exists and still produces tippers.

BUCA stands for BUchten CArrosserie from Buchten, a small village near Born (where now the BMW-Mini
is assembled in the previous Nedcar/VOLVO/DAF-factory) and founded in 1924

As a matter of fact…I do know of some Belgian operators buying Van Eck!
The cab was very roomy, place for three, steer-column (as all US-trucks) near
middle and further on quite comfortable. This White (WC-28PLTD) of 1954 was
an ex-Esso-Antwerp and had earlier a cab of Liekens-Brussels. By the way, this
tractor stil exists! Now under -re-construction with Langen from Geleen-area.

This Scania-Vabis LV could have a Verheul or a Medema (DAM) cab,
as said a lot of coach-builders saw also opportunities in lorry-cabs.

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Compare the Kromhout with Verheul cab/body Robert recently inputted…

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And herewith a Medema (DAM in Appingedam) cab/body!

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ERF-Continental:
As a matter of fact…I do know of some Belgian operators buying Van Eck!
The cab was very roomy, place for three, steer-column (as all US-trucks) near
middle and further on quite comfortable. This White (WC-28PLTD) of 1954 was
an ex-Esso-Antwerp and had earlier a cab of Liekens-Brussels. By the way, this
tractor stil exists! Now under -re-construction with Langen from Geleen-area.

The windscreen on that White looks like the one on the Berliet Relaxe cab, although I may be wrong.

Regarding the Z-profile door trim as a Van Eck identifier, are we to assume that all these are Van Eck?

The left one is Van Eck for sure, but the others?

Talking about daft questions … lol

ERF-Continental:
Talking about daft questions … lol

Why is it a daft question? The three cabs share some similarities:

  1. The windscreen (can you confirm if this is a Mercedes Benz item?)
  2. The mounting height. If they are all on Beers LV subframes, this would be a common feature.
  3. The aluminium trim.

Other than that, the cabs are completely different. I would consider it unusual for a company to make three different cabs, especially if they had gone to the trouble of making press tools for one of them.

Now that I stated (before you could do it yourself) asking a daft question, you now wonder?

A) Why should it be a Mercedes type of front window? Bear in mind that buyers shop at the same
suppliers…as an example…the headlights of a Krupp (Last type of cab, e.g. 980, 1080 etc) were
the same as the VW Beetle…so it could be sooner/cheaper bought, Hella and Bosch lived on

B) To my humble opinion there are roughly 100-150 LV’s to be found on the net…and the ones
you now input could (!) be local exceptions or changes after repairs. Bear in mind that operators
in the '50-'60s did a lot of work themselves.

C) Get in touch with the names I gave here, I today contacted one of the directors of Van Eck and
hope she will (be able to) help me on this historical matter. To be honest, I have no contacts with
regard to Paul, Van Weelde, Roset anymore as they don’t exist anymore.

Nice day, A-J

To confirm an earlier question, indeed the attached LV is pictured at Södertälje-museum, a real
must in case you are in Stockholm-area!

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Not quite belonging here but attached a picture of a Paul&Van Weelde cabbed Volvo Titan.

According to Hans Kuipers’ book “90 years behind the wheel” of 1988/Elmar productions, a
couple of dozen Werkspoor-cabs were made for Beers/Scania-Vabis till in 1963 the own cab
(BeGe after the initials of B.G. Persson) came, so let’s assume rougly 24 or 36 examples?

ERF-Continental:
Not quite belonging here but attached a picture of a Paul&Van Weelde cabbed Volvo Titan.

According to Hans Kuipers’ book “90 years behind the wheel” of 1988/Elmar productions, a
couple of dozen Werkspoor-cabs were made for Beers/Scania-Vabis till in 1963 the own cab
(BeGe after the initials of B.G. Persson) came, so let’s assume rougly 24 or 36 examples?

It all belongs- PevW put lots of cabs on LV75s. Here’s another one on a Volvo: :laughing:

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Notice how the Volvo cab is mounted lower than the LV75 one. Beers conversion must have incorporated a very high floorpan, for the time. I would guess that the engine tunnel was very low, or non-existent- is this true?

Was Paul and van Weelde one company, or a collaboration between two? I say this because I have seen a photograph of a vehicle attributed to a coachbuilder called “Paul”, and I was wondering if there was a connection.

Do you know what the arrangement between PevW and Roset, since both used the same cab structure?

Here two Werkspoor-examples as well as a Rondaan-cab.

I assume for the lower installation bus-chassis were used…but need to verify old specs for that
and I am hardly very much a technician…I wrote earlier here that both Paul and Van Weelde
were trailer-manufacturers and Van Weelde was long time affiliated with Pacton’s Ploeg-company.

No knowledge on Roset and arrangements with P&VW, sorry

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Hey, Maybe some builders built the cab in relation with the engine height with or without a turbo made a big difference in those days ■■?
Here still some volvo’s, of the last pic I realy don’t know if it is a Volvo, because look at the steering wheel inside ring and the wheel rims they look bigger as the small ones Volvo used before '75. I can’t see it good but…■■?

Bye Eric,

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@Anorak…I assume you are busy completing the last bits and bytes on the Scania-Vabis volume LV?

ERF-Continental:
@Anorak…I assume you are busy completing the last bits and bytes on the Scania-Vabis volume LV?

I have not completed the first bit yet. :laughing: There must be lots of information about this fascinating vehicle out there, but not printed or shared in any way. How are your discussions with the Van Eck people going?

I agree but was actually hoping you structurised the overwhelming amount of pictures, documents
and information (as I did frequently with regard to other marques and types of vehicles) and yes,
a lot is not written or since a long time (most of the LV-drivers are retired or not present anymore)
so in fact a thread is THE medium to acquire information and to eliminate facts…not easy. As far
as the gross 15 body-workers in Netherlands concerns, the majority does not exist anymore and also
their volume was small and restricted, it is an era of approx 1950-1965 and it comes to the specialty
in terms of body-works for busses, small vans etc. Only a few people were early in recognizing their
specialities and quality and when there was documentation we collected it, but that is really rare!

Conam could be of assistance but as those volunteers are restricted in time as well and have their
preferences (TOP10 of popular marques) also those contacts are not easy. I will go further in some
Dutch/Belgian books to search on this subject and hope to hear from Van Eck soon. Mrs. Martine
Van Eck (granddaughter of the founder Johannes is commercial director and together with her dad
and brother in the board) but will/can help I guess. Quantities, types, pictures etc will be asked.

No news on Saviem’s brother in law/nephew Van Daal? I live close to Aalst and will enquire…A-J

This great thread seems to be following the pattern of similar specialist threads: a flurry of tantalising activity followed by a lull; then bursts of high-quality input interspersed with fallow periods; finally settling down to a drip-feed of nuggets and gems by dedicated thread-followers and the occasional inspired visitor! Some excellent contributions here. Keep 'em coming. Robert :slight_smile:

I also second Robert’s crisp and nice opinion on this thread despite the fact that I quite recently noticed
the complexity of our Dutch coach- and body-builders…for Belgium speaking…the Scania-Vabis was
(as understandble) cabbed by local preferences of the customer, but in quite some cases the company
of Frères E&G Heymans S.A (S.A. is Ltd.) of Chaussée de Haecht 222-224 in Diegem…a Northern part
of Brussels, where from 1949 till 1965 Denonville represented Scania-Vabis from Schaerbeek and from
1965 till 1979 in Diegem, so very close to this factory/assembly-workshop. First cabs I know of are from
1951 and quite similar to the early BéGé-cabs. In the course of the '60s Scania-Vabis was aware that there
was a good market for delivering a lorry complete with a cab…nowadays in the colour the customer wants.