I stand corrected. I think the difference is some Vosa speak about indivisible structures or some such. I still wouldn’t fancy reversing a 45 foot box on to some tight bays with that yoke.
the difference is, a 45’ trailer is just that, and, as such, will be over length on the back of a Longline
whereas, a 45’ container is ‘loaded’ on to a 40’ trailer, thus making the container ‘the load’, and is perfectly legal, in much the same way as a 50’ beam on a 45’ trailer
Mr Surfer, you may now sit 
I don’t think having bigger cabs is a bad idea but I’m yet to see pictures if the inside of these where they make good use of the extra space. Most end up looking like a pimps boudoir.
Hear, hear the right honourable Mr. Spanker. 
both based at isotank marchwood
NB12:
I don’t think having bigger cabs is a bad idea but I’m yet to see pictures if the inside of these where they make good use of the extra space. Most end up looking like a pimps boudoir.
Look on Youtube for ‘Stefan Huber Longline’,I met him in Rotterdam in 2010,he has a Volvo FH16 700 now but told me all about his Longline.He had it fitted out with the bed on one side and a shower/toilet cubicle and kitchenette on the other,he loved the space and the fact that he could park wherever he wanted and have all the comforts of home,he wasn’t as pleased with the engine and opticruise gearbox though as it gave him no end of trouble and was the reason he bought the Volvo.
He told me the Longline set him back approx 300,000 euro by the time he had it fitted out and at the time it was parked in his workshop in Switzerland,I asked him why he didn’t sell it and he said he’s holding onto it until it goes up in value,he reckons a transport museum or a collector will give him top money for it in the future!
He was pulling containers from Rotterdam to Switzerland,2 round trips per week so the extra length was no problem
trubster:
Kevwall:
Spotted this this morning outside of junction 29 m1 truckstopMakes you laugh, spend tens, possibly hundreds of thousands on a motor, then park it on an industrial estate, rather than a secure truck stop - Saving about £10 and risking diesel / load security.
I will never understand this industry
LOL because MSA’s and truckstops are completely devoid of crime, Have had my curtains slashed twice on both occasions I was in an MSA once in Harthill services and the other in Compiegne just above Paris and five weeks ago had the brackets that hold on the side skirts stolen in Meer. When parked up the biggest thieves are other drivers so why go and park in amongst them. Parked in laybys industrial estates and side roads all over Europe and the wagon has never been touched
mazzer:
trubster:
Kevwall:
Spotted this this morning outside of junction 29 m1 truckstopMakes you laugh, spend tens, possibly hundreds of thousands on a motor, then park it on an industrial estate, rather than a secure truck stop - Saving about £10 and risking diesel / load security.
I will never understand this industry
LOL because MSA’s and truckstops are completely devoid of crime, Have had my curtains slashed twice on both occasions I was in an MSA once in Harthill services and the other in Compiegne just above Paris and five weeks ago had the brackets that hold on the side skirts stolen in Meer. When parked up the biggest thieves are other drivers so why go and park in amongst them. Parked in laybys industrial estates and side roads all over Europe and the wagon has never been touched
But this is J29 Truckstop, security walking around the place all night, police do the occasional lap of the estate and cameras everywhere. Worth every penny IMO.
Makes me laugh when you see drivers park outside to save a tenner and walk into the truckstop to use the free facilities.
There are a few other threads about the 3 uk long lines about their various colours and owners. Cant remember if that one was the black n gold one or the blue and white one .And I think most of the uk ones where after market built in Belgium and not built by scania
I couldn’t resist having a look on youtube, it kinda makes my cab and truck (Scania 114L 340) seem like a very old two man tent
youtube.com/watch?v=RPH3xuJAWOs
trubster:
mazzer:
trubster:
Kevwall:
Spotted this this morning outside of junction 29 m1 truckstopMakes you laugh, spend tens, possibly hundreds of thousands on a motor, then park it on an industrial estate, rather than a secure truck stop - Saving about £10 and risking diesel / load security.
I will never understand this industry
LOL because MSA’s and truckstops are completely devoid of crime, Have had my curtains slashed twice on both occasions I was in an MSA once in Harthill services and the other in Compiegne just above Paris and five weeks ago had the brackets that hold on the side skirts stolen in Meer. When parked up the biggest thieves are other drivers so why go and park in amongst them. Parked in laybys industrial estates and side roads all over Europe and the wagon has never been touched
But this is J29 Truckstop, security walking around the place all night, police do the occasional lap of the estate and cameras everywhere. Worth every penny IMO.
Makes me laugh when you see drivers park outside to save a tenner and walk into the truckstop to use the free facilities.
If anyone thinks that J29 is secure, I would beg to differ! No barrier or controlled entry for a start. There are very few reasonably secure truck stops. Nightowl or whatever they are called at the moment at least try with fences, blockers and ANPR , yet when Wolverhampton was still open and they made it more secure people complained!
I only drive a poxy mid roof T800 , but am able to stand up and walk three paces back to the bunk , doesn’t sound much be the extra space makes a huge difference .
I thought the regs said that a container does not form part of the load, but is part of the vehicle, hence the chamfered corners on the 45’ short sea boxes so they conform to turning circle regs.
I know that bloke with the Volvo VN had a 38’ trailer with the rear twistlocks on a hinge so it came within the 16.5m length law, so maybe the deep sea boxes are different as the 45’ deep sea boxes don’t have chamfered front corners.
What is the actual rule here?
newmercman:
I thought the regs said that a container does not form part of the load, but is part of the vehicle, hence the chamfered corners on the 45’ short sea boxes so they conform to turning circle regs.I know that bloke with the Volvo VN had a 38’ trailer with the rear twistlocks on a hinge so it came within the 16.5m length law, so maybe the deep sea boxes are different as the 45’ deep sea boxes don’t have chamfered front corners.
What is the actual rule here?
Remember the guy with the vn had a bonnet AND a big cab hence the short trailer .
Yeah, I know, so he couldn’t legally pull a 40’ trailer, hence the swing forward rear twistlocks, but he would’ve been over 16.5m with a box on, strictly speaking the rear twistlocks would have put it over too.
newmercman:
Yeah, I know, so he couldn’t legally pull a 40’ trailer, hence the swing forward rear twistlocks, but he would’ve been over 16.5m with a box on, strictly speaking the rear twistlocks would have put it over too.
Probably was. but he had an extra 6 or so feet in front of the cab which caused the length problem . So if the long line is say 6 feet shorter than the vn a 45 foot cont will only add 2.5 feet to the length the long line wud still be 3ish feet shorter than the vn I think. Also I didn’t think we had an actual length limit here just a turning circle requirement but I stand to be corrected.
I see what you mean now, a VN without the hood, but with the bigger bunk would be good for <16.5m.
Both are law I believe, 16.5m overall and the ability to drive within an area defined by a large and smaller concentric circle.
That’s why the 13.6m boxes have the chamfer and why 45’ boxes have a specific set of locks and travelling position. AFAIK 