I haven’t even bothered to read whatever you’ve written above, but judging by the amount of words in the posts you obviously can’t quite grasp the concept.
So I’ve drawn a picture, it’s the shift pattern of the 10spd Scania gearbox. To make it easier to understand I have used numerals to show which gear you would be in with the stick in that position and the splitter switch in the low position. I’ve used the numbers in words to show which gear you would be in with the stick in that position and the splitter switch in the high position.
It’s not rocket science, it’s just a gearbox.
newmercman:
I haven’t even bothered to read whatever you’ve written above, but judging by the amount of words in the posts you obviously can’t quite grasp the concept.
So I’ve drawn a picture, it’s the shift pattern of the 10spd Scania gearbox. To make it easier to understand I have used numerals to show which gear you would be in with the stick in that position and the splitter switch in the low position. I’ve used the numbers in words to show which gear you would be in with the stick in that position and the splitter switch in the high position.
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It’s not rocket science, it’s just a gearbox.
If you’d have read the last post.I’d reached the conclusion that I’d remembered it wrongly.
Although to be fair not surprisingly.Ironically CM’s own suggestion was that the final sequence of gears would often have gone along the lines of 7,9,10 which I’d guess is how I usually used it together with starting in 3rd and then over the years mixed that up in my memory with the far more logical pattern of the DAF 12 speed which I did ( a lot ) more miles with.In which case as I said Scanias silly ideas,regards ratio spacing and shift patterns in the day,really defeated the object of its splitter and it’s surprising that CM didn’t tell that like it was.Unlike the more sensible idea now of 12 speed 3 over 3 range change and splitter.Which I’m guessing all follow in sequence with no gear spacing issues like 4 hi being higher than 5 lo.
Remember I drove a P112 at BRS in about 87 and the pictorals in the Scania handbook were very good on this gear shift pattern, wish I’d kept one for nostalgia’s sake. You are correct there Mark that the top four gears were shifts of the stick, very confusing to a newbie who hadn’t refered to the book before driving! The later D reg R112 I had had the 10 speed range box.
short walk:
Remember I drove a P112 at BRS in about 87 and the pictorals in the Scania handbook were very good on this gear shift pattern, wish I’d kept one for nostalgia’s sake. You are correct there Mark that the top four gears were shifts of the stick, very confusing to a newbie who hadn’t refered to the book before driving! The later D reg R112 I had had the 10 speed range box.
In the real world I’d guess that plenty of drivers just followed that CM example of forgetting about 8th ( 5th lo ).In my case seemingly literally all these years later.
Carryfast:
short walk:
Remember I drove a P112 at BRS in about 87 and the pictorals in the Scania handbook were very good on this gear shift pattern, wish I’d kept one for nostalgia’s sake. You are correct there Mark that the top four gears were shifts of the stick, very confusing to a newbie who hadn’t refered to the book before driving! The later D reg R112 I had had the 10 speed range box.
In the real world I’d guess that plenty of drivers just followed that CM example of forgetting about 8th ( 5th lo ).In my case seemingly literally all these years later. [emoji38]
I doubt that 50% of drivers used any of the older Scania gearboxes as they were meant to be used. In the range change 10spd, the awkward 6th gear would be avoided and that splitter box was probably used as a 7spd, with the dog leg and 5th lo missed out. Although those 92/93s were a bit on the slow side at 38tons, so 5th lo may have got a little more use than it would in a higher powered lorry.
newmercman:
Carryfast:
short walk:
Remember I drove a P112 at BRS in about 87 and the pictorals in the Scania handbook were very good on this gear shift pattern, wish I’d kept one for nostalgia’s sake. You are correct there Mark that the top four gears were shifts of the stick, very confusing to a newbie who hadn’t refered to the book before driving! The later D reg R112 I had had the 10 speed range box.
In the real world I’d guess that plenty of drivers just followed that CM example of forgetting about 8th ( 5th lo ).In my case seemingly literally all these years later. [emoji38]
I doubt that 50% of drivers used any of the older Scania gearboxes as they were meant to be used. In the range change 10spd, the awkward 6th gear would be avoided and that splitter box was probably used as a 7spd, with the dog leg and 5th lo missed out. Although those 92/93s were a bit on the slow side at 38tons, so 5th lo may have got a little more use than it would in a higher powered lorry.
We were never much more than 30 t gross if not less and the 112 pulled effortlessly in more or less any gear you chose to put it in at those weights.But the 93 really needed every gear it could get even at those weights.Which might answer the question as to why the 93 was one my all time least liked trucks.In that it wouldn’t pull like the 112 did and even back then I seem to have forgotten,or just didn’t care,that 5th lo existed. That and the evil cramped day cab it was specced with.Luckily we didn’t have to put up with those for long before they were got rid of.
On that note I’d liked to have tried the 112 with the 3 over 3 and splitter used in the FL10,or the ZF 12 speed used in the 2800,or a Fuller.That would have been an even better truck with any of those in it. Therefore it’s not surprising that the OP seems to be happy with the change from auto to manual with a decent gearbox configuration in this case.
newmercman:
Carryfast:
short walk:
Remember I drove a P112 at BRS in about 87 and the pictorals in the Scania handbook were very good on this gear shift pattern, wish I’d kept one for nostalgia’s sake. You are correct there Mark that the top four gears were shifts of the stick, very confusing to a newbie who hadn’t refered to the book before driving! The later D reg R112 I had had the 10 speed range box.
In the real world I’d guess that plenty of drivers just followed that CM example of forgetting about 8th ( 5th lo ).In my case seemingly literally all these years later. [emoji38]
I doubt that 50% of drivers used any of the older Scania gearboxes as they were meant to be used. In the range change 10spd, the awkward 6th gear would be avoided and that splitter box was probably used as a 7spd, with the dog leg and 5th lo missed out. Although those 92/93s were a bit on the slow side at 38tons, so 5th lo may have got a little more use than it would in a higher powered lorry.
You also had to be a bit careful pulling away with a fully freighted p92, they had a distressing habit of banging half shafts out, we changed rear axles on a lot or ours to 111 rear axles , and put a fuller 9 speed into a 92 6 wheel t/unit.
newmercman:
I haven’t even bothered to read whatever you’ve written above, but judging by the amount of words in the posts you obviously can’t quite grasp the concept.
So I’ve drawn a picture, it’s the shift pattern of the 10spd Scania gearbox. To make it easier to understand I have used numerals to show which gear you would be in with the stick in that position and the splitter switch in the low position. I’ve used the numbers in words to show which gear you would be in with the stick in that position and the splitter switch in the high position.
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It’s not rocket science, it’s just a gearbox.
I had a scania 81 and 92 with that gearbox. the early p112s had the same box. they were 280hp. that box wasn’t strong enough for any more power so all the other 112s. the 305hp and 320hp had the range change box