Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

well said Old ■■■■… i think some of the taxis around here are using a similar mix, as i have a nose for red diesel ,but this has like a paraffin two stroke smell .and to much exhaust, all eastern european drivers.

TVO, the V for vaporising, this done with heat from the manifold, so start on petrol, get manifold hot enough to vaporise the paraffin, turn paraffin on, petrol off, all explained here:-

courtesy of Wikipedia
Internal combustion engines can be configured to run on many kinds of fuel, including gasoline, kerosene, tractor vaporizing oil (TVO), vegetable oil, diesel fuel, biodiesel, ethanol fuel (alcohol), and others. Multifuel engines, such as petrol-paraffin engines, can benefit from an initial vaporization of the fuel when they are running less volatile fuels. For this purpose, a vaporizer (or vaporiser) is placed in the intake system. The vaporizer uses heat from the exhaust manifold to vaporize the fuel. For example, the original Fordson tractor and various subsequent Fordson models had vaporizers. When Henry Ford & Son Inc designed the original Fordson (1916), the vaporizer was used to provide for kerosene operation. When TVO became common in various countries (including the United Kingdom and Australia) in the 1940s and 1950s, the standard vaporizers on Fordson models were equally useful for TVO. Widespread adoption of diesel engines in tractors made the use of tractor vaporizing oil obsolete.

Oily

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Buzzer:

Dave the Renegade:
Hi Kev,
Tractor vaporising oil (or TVO) is a fuel for Petrol-paraffin engines. In the United Kingdom and Australia, after the Second World War, it was commonly used for tractors until diesel engines became commonplace.
Cheers Dave.

It must have been cheap back in the day as I remember the chap who did hedge cutting for my dad used it to get the fire going to burn the trimmings on our farm, Buzzer.

Agreed, it must have been pence per gallon, one of the uses was washing off grease and oil from parts when doing repairs, another was brush painting the tractor and other implements, then spray wash with a water hose, wipe down with a cloth, like new again :laughing: . Engine oil changes…the old oil was used to weatherproof wooden sheds, chicken coops, slat and rail fences, nothing was wasted, I spent many an hour doing that very tedious job, not forgetting mother’s anger at the state of my clothes, a lot of which she made. Her tailoring was basic but not bad, that’s a tale for another day.
Oily

oiltreader thanks for your last 2 posts like you i also cleaned the tractors and watched the men start them but i had no idea why they switched the lever over to TVO i did later on in years but i have never seen a diagram before, interesting,did you have a pair of wool swimming trunks ,i did when very young.home made …never mind at 71 i am now allowed to pick my own clothes but only just.

Evening all,

DBP, allowed to choose your own clothes at 71…lucky B…

Today my dear wife and I have endured a slight disagreement as she saw fit to dispose of my last, (worn), Mack…“Performance Counts”, (which in my own case simply does not apply), T shirts, from 1980…Good heavens, they are practically new…and the patches are “newer”.

Oily, thank you for the explanation on the workings of TVO…on a Summers evening could there be a more delicious odour?

Buzzer, your pictures of your garden cultivations look superb, now tell us what do you truly use…for it a`nt one of Spear and Jacksons stainless steel spades… looks more like a nice little Massey mounted rotovator…but there is no denying the quality of what comes out of your ground…almost as good as ROFs Winstons…wherever he keeps them!!!

Fergie, you lucky man, to be able to enjoy French Rural life is a privelage…we had it here once, but sadly it is gone, replaced by 50P Millionaires, and leased Audi`s, in highly mortgaged Barn Conversions…

Cheerio for now.

deckboypeggy:
oiltreader thanks for your last 2 posts like you i also cleaned the tractors and watched the men start them but i had no idea why they switched the lever over to TVO i did later on in years but i have never seen a diagram before, interesting,did you have a pair of wool swimming trunks ,i did when very young.home made …never mind at 71 i am now allowed to pick my own clothes but only just.

Wow DBP, you really are lucky!!! How old do you have to be to get to pick your own clothes? :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :smiley: :smiley:
I’m 68 next week, the ladies in my family still say to me, quote, " your not going out with me dressed like that" :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Regards Kev. :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

Well Saviem as you ask you are not wrong about the cultivation bit as I have an elderly but active neighbour who in 1969 purchased a new Massey 135 for just a smidgen under £1000 he thought he broke the bank when he bought it but it is worth four fold what he paid in 69 so has proved a good investment. All his life he has grown strawberries on his six acre plot but he has now retired at about 75yo but still has a sizeable plot for veg growing. Anyways although I own a little land driven rotavator this is considerably hard work even at my age, so as you have said I enlisted his help with the initial cultivation with his 135 and Howard 60inch and finished of the corners with my little machine. This is far easier and also the Howard goes much deeper in work, my friend did suggest using a cultivator first to break up the pan and I think next year we will do this as I am far past double digging and all that. My ground is very stony and me and the good lady have picked stones out of the patch for 6 years but I think the little blighters are breeding as they keep coming back much the same as the weeds especially “fat hen” and I don’t remember planting any of that.
The best bit about growing your own is you can pop out and harvest ultra fresh and eat within the hour, so so different from buying from a shop, always the problem is I seem to get too much produce but friends seem to appreciate the windfall.
Last night me and the Mrs topped and tailed 30lb of red gooseberries which I bought and were produced in Herefordshire, these for jam making and the odd crumble, now in the freezer with 20lb of strawberries and just 40lb of raspberries to go in next week will complete the fruit stocks.
There is definitely something special about sitting down to an evening meal of pork chops, spuds and French beans all home grown, this was a regular feature while I was growing up on a farm as it is was in a lot of rural areas back in the day, now to do the veg for tonight cheers Buzzer.

Just to make the collective juices flow a little more, last night I enjoyed 2 pork loin steaks, boiled Winstons, broad beans & garden peas, all except the pork produced on th’allotment.
And I’m seriously thinking about that pork!!! :wink:
P.S. The pork was both cooked in- and accompanied by- a drop of H.Weston’s 2014 Cider. Heaven!

Saviem:
Fergie, you lucky man, to be able to enjoy French Rural life is a privelage…we had it here once, but sadly it is gone, replaced by 50P Millionaires, and leased Audi`s, in highly mortgaged Barn Conversions…

Cheerio for now.

You’re not wrong there John, quiet and peaceful, great neighbors…Some times sat out in the garden you can hear a pin drop, apart from a few birds it’s complete silence. We live a few metres from the forest, today a five minutes walk takes us to a cleared area where the
“fete des sabot” ( festival of the clogs) is held every year. It’s like going back in time 40 odd years to the old village fetes. They have some fantastic old machinery to make the clogs, driven off an old Maggie 2 cylinder air cooled tractor via a number of belts, first to chop the log to rough size, then using a pattern log it carves the outside of the clog, then to another machine to do the inside, finished off by hand from a few fashioned tools for the job, great to watch…There’s a meal at lunchtime, beer tent, various stalls selling homemade bits 'n bobs…
Meet up with people from the village, a nice few hours out…didn’t take the camera, but I’ll see if I can find some pic’s of the clog maker.
Breton country fete at it’s best…

Just been sent some pictures, some of Cenis and thought I would remind Saviem just how tight the steps were in places, remember you had to treat that mountain pass with respect especially when busy. Of course as he has said in the past the surface was not as good when he first went over, cheers Buzzer.

Buzzer, you are all proper homesteaders ,good food mechanics,it is something you all have in you from years ago, me it was down the allotment with your dad ,well i had to and i think that put me off,as i never have carried it on growing produce etc cooking yes no prob,i do enjoy it, crack a can or two.

I must admit i never once went over the cenis i was all ways told which way to go, my first time early 1982 load of pork to FORLI-IMPLOIA . and i stuck by that.

Evening all,

Buzzer, your neighbour is sitting on a good investment, even rough 135s are making 4k, and really nice ones can make 10 plus…amazing is it not!

Ive still a Magic Tiller, digs well in work, but as we are on clay for a great part, you have to be careful when breaking the crust! Mind you, we have enjoyed copious Strawberrys again tonight. The ground suits them well, but we have got them in raised beds, and well netted…otherwise the Red Leg Partridges help them selves at the “salad bar”. Fabulous characters, get so used to you working, that they will get between you and the job, just to have a look!

Pity that we cannot get the Isle of Mans Davidsons Ice Cream over here, there is really nothing to touch it for creamy consistency, and it would be perfect with Strawberrys.

Fergie, Ive worn Dutch style clogs in the house for years, really comfortable, and strong. But I can remember seeing agricultural workers around Robaix wearing true Sabots in the 60s, as well as some worn by factory workers. Grief it gets cold and wet up there, coupled with a “lazy wind”, you know the one that goes right through you, not around you! A bit of France that I never really took to…or those cobbles!

When I was using Cenis, it was one of the main routes into, and out of Italy. Then in `65, the Tunnel was opened, but I still preferred to go over the top, and sometimes used the Petite Grand St Bernard, (lovely view of Mont Blanc), but only used the tunnel when I was away from lorry driving and going in and out of Italy…personally I hated it, prefer the fresh air, and skies!

DBP I was lucky, in that I could pick my own routes, and as the sole member of the families “International Division”, no one really bothered which way I went, only that I got the job done. As I was delivering medical equipment to Sanatoriums, and Clinics, that in the main were situated well off the beaten track, I got to drive some quite spectacular routes.

The Col du Granier, south of Chambery,the Col d`Iseran, Col de la Faucille,and the Col de Gabre spring to mind…in the 60s loose surfaced. But I loved it, though I once gave myself a big fright on the Col de la Forclaz…really woke me up, (and slowed me down)…silly young B…!

I think that I need a Bollinger to calm my nerves, even after all these years…(50 of them)…bet you cannot take a lorry that way now!

Cheerio for now.

For the market gardeners and farmers watching this thread … :unamused:

Rotovators…got one of these down in the hanger, only have the side cutter, rotavator, plough and a few bits 'n bobs, Versatile little sucker…
Bought originally from a company in Stockport for 107 pounds 1 shilling and 6 pence June 1956, which was a lot of money then, still got all the manuals and user books from 59 years ago…

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Fergie hope all is well with you and yours, just love the old receipts signed over a stamp pure nostalgic quality. How old did you say you were / not been porky pie’ing have you, Charlie will know he keeps records, cheers Buzzer.

Buzzer:
Fergie hope all is well with you and yours, just love the old receipts signed over a stamp pure nostalgic quality. How old did you say you were / not been porky pie’ing have you, Charlie will know he keeps records, cheers Buzzer.

Hi John, we’re both well thanks, and hope you and the boss are too ?

I’ve got a receipt for my grandfather’s Rover 10, that’s also signed over a stamp, not sure why, but I guess there are some more “mature members” that can enlighten us ?

And talking of age John…had another one last week, climbing that ladder toward the top now,
Soixante - huit, fortunately, not feeling it too much. fingers crossed…

How is Charlie, pm’d him the other day, but haven’t heard from him, hope he’s OK… :neutral_face:

Back to trucks :-…I meant,… lorries … :blush:

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deckboypeggy:
oiltreader thanks for your last 2 posts like you i also cleaned the tractors and watched the men start them but i had no idea why they switched the lever over to TVO i did later on in years but i have never seen a diagram before, interesting,did you have a pair of wool swimming trunks ,i did when very young.home made …never mind at 71 i am now allowed to pick my own clothes but only just.

Swimming trunks deckboypeggy, bloody norah :laughing: they were a joke, home made, knitted, when you jumped in the river and stood up they were round the ankles :blush: , soaked up the water like a sponge, the single strand garter elastic threaded round the waist wasn’t up to it.
Oily

A camion to add to the pics.
Oily

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Another French outfit, Peterbilt and boudoir.
Oily

oiltreader:

deckboypeggy:
oiltreader thanks for your last 2 posts like you i also cleaned the tractors and watched the men start them but i had no idea why they switched the lever over to TVO i did later on in years but i have never seen a diagram before, interesting,did you have a pair of wool swimming trunks ,i did when very young.home made …never mind at 71 i am now allowed to pick my own clothes but only just.

Swimming trunks deckboypeggy, bloody norah :laughing: they were a joke, home made, knitted, when you jumped in the river and stood up they were round the ankles :blush: , soaked up the water like a sponge, the single strand garter elastic threaded round the waist wasn’t up to it.
Oily

Dad took 8mm film on his wind up Bolex camera in the fifties. Somewhere, brother Andy and I are making our tentative way down the stony beach on Walney Island in our wool knitted swimming trunks. Andy’s even have a moth hole in the back!

I promise I won’t add them here. As you say as soon as they hit the water, one arm for swimming, one arm for holding your trunks on!

John.